Trade Pascal to Portland/Warriors?

[QingJames]

Presti would only trade him now if he wanted to punt on the timeline of a 24-year-old MVP candidate and get even younger for some reason.

Or if things go wrong and Shai wanted out. Total dream scenario, but so was acquiring someone on Kawhi's level as well.

Okay, you hang onto that pipe dream, bud. I won't begrudge you hope.

[Tacoma]

If you're going to make huge changes, you don't go for Sharpe. You move almost everyone and offer a massive haul of picks and young prospects for Shai. He is the one.

It's too late for that as Shai is now an MVP candidate and Presti is not going to trade him. Hindsight is 20/20 but the time to make the offer for Shai was last offseason. Barnes + 1-2 frps probably could've gotten it done then.

Maybe, maybe not. Presti is ballsy and loves making bold moves and the prospect of having a super stacked team in less than five years could appeal to him.

Agree with QingJames. We had a chance to get SAG before this season but he's broken through bordering on superstar now. The SAG ship has sailed and his ship flies the OKC flag.

I think we make good trading partners with Portland because they're weak where we're strong and vice versa. It would of course hinge on them keeping Dame. I would put Siakam and/or OG on the table and absolutely go for Sharpe as the #1 guy coming back.

Not high on Simons, thus must include either Sharpe and/or their 2023 draft pick (likely top 5) plus matching salary fillers. Sharpe has SAG breakout potential and playing next to Barnes would give us an excellent core to build around to contend for the future.

[ItsDanger]

Dame made his demands clear. That 2023 1st is being traded BEFORE the draft.

[Raptors Realtor]

you can trade siakam to the trail blazers, but youre not getting sharpe lol

Portland really has no leverage. Everybody can plainly tell that they do not want to go into a full rebuild by trading Dame, probably because of the potential loss of revenue more than optics.

I'm not even in favour of trading Pascal who is probably better now than Scottie ever will be. But if Dame is telling Portland to go out and get Pascal, Masai is going to bend Cronin over a barrel.

Last summer, the Raptors refused to trade scottie for Kevin freaking Durant. Why in the world would the Blazers trade their best asset for a dude who was psyched out by a 9 year old?

Kevin Durant is great, but he's also 35 & injury prone at this stage in his career... You don't trade a 20 year old rookie of the year ++ for him.

[Rapsfan07]

If you're going to make huge changes, you don't go for Sharpe. You move almost everyone and offer a massive haul of picks and young prospects for Shai. He is the one.

No you don't.

First of all, why would Presti move a young MVP candidate locked into a long term deal when his young team is in the rebuilding process? If anything, he should be looking for consolidate his boatload of picks and young talent into NBA vets and all-stars to build around SGA, not trade him.

Secondly, if we were to offer a deal too good for Presti to refuse for SGA, we'd be left with nothing to surround SGA with.

Makes no sense for either team.

SGA's contract is up in 2027 and unless I'm mistaken, he's currently not (yet) in the MVP race. And are they still rebuilding or now a young up and coming team?

Also, who knows what transpires in OKC in the next few years. Certainly they could become a juggernaut with Shai. But if things do not go as planned and turn sour, Shai may at some point want out.

Even if said dream scenario played out, we'd have Scottie and Shai and surrounding them with good role players isn't an overly monumental task.

He's an MVP caliber player, if you prefer that wording then.

Shai could want out. But he has 4 years left on his deal and that young team has already made the play-in. They have other really valuable players that are on his timeline like Williams, Giddey, Dort, potentially a lottery pick coming in a few months and that's to say nothing of Holmgren who we haven't really seen play yet. Then they also have a truly unbelievable amount of FRPs coming in the next 3 years or so. How many more picks could they be interested in? Things are a LONG way from being able to even consider going "sour" unless there's a scandal of epic proportions that takes place.

All that aside though, there's no way we end up with Shai and still have Barnes on the roster.

[Jadoogar]

Portland really has no leverage. Everybody can plainly tell that they do not want to go into a full rebuild by trading Dame, probably because of the potential loss of revenue more than optics.

I'm not even in favour of trading Pascal who is probably better now than Scottie ever will be. But if Dame is telling Portland to go out and get Pascal, Masai is going to bend Cronin over a barrel.

Last summer, the Raptors refused to trade scottie for Kevin freaking Durant. Why in the world would the Blazers trade their best asset for a dude who was psyched out by a 9 year old?

Kevin Durant is great, but he's also 35 & injury prone at this stage in his career... You don't trade a 20 year old rookie of the year ++ for him.

Siakam is good but not elite. He's also an expiring contract. Blazers shouldn't trade a 19 year old rookie who showed great potential for him.

[Mr Funk]

He's an MVP caliber player, if you prefer that wording then.

Shai could want out. But he has 4 years left on his deal and that young team has already made the play-in. They have other really valuable players that are on his timeline like Williams, Giddey, Dort, potentially a lottery pick coming in a few months and that's to say nothing of Holmgren who we haven't really seen play yet. Then they also have a truly unbelievable amount of FRPs coming in the next 3 years or so. How many more picks could they be interested in? Things are a LONG way from being able to even consider going "sour" unless there's a scandal of epic proportions that takes place.

All that aside though, there's no way we end up with Shai and still have Barnes on the roster.

It's either something goes wrong or free agency in 2027.

If we can get Kawhi, we can get Shai

I just want a Scottie and Shai core gosh darn it

[Rapsfan07]

He's an MVP caliber player, if you prefer that wording then.

Shai could want out. But he has 4 years left on his deal and that young team has already made the play-in. They have other really valuable players that are on his timeline like Williams, Giddey, Dort, potentially a lottery pick coming in a few months and that's to say nothing of Holmgren who we haven't really seen play yet. Then they also have a truly unbelievable amount of FRPs coming in the next 3 years or so. How many more picks could they be interested in? Things are a LONG way from being able to even consider going "sour" unless there's a scandal of epic proportions that takes place.

All that aside though, there's no way we end up with Shai and still have Barnes on the roster.

It's either something goes wrong or free agency in 2027.

If we can get Kawhi, we can get Shai

I just want a Scottie and Shai core gosh darn it

Don't we all

[Brinbe]

simons, sharpe, grant (i know he's a UFA) would be the dream but we'd be lucky to get simons and pieces.

that would be a good match though. pascal would excel there and would be an ideal running mate for dame.

[Raptors Realtor]

Last summer, the Raptors refused to trade scottie for Kevin freaking Durant. Why in the world would the Blazers trade their best asset for a dude who was psyched out by a 9 year old?

Kevin Durant is great, but he's also 35 & injury prone at this stage in his career... You don't trade a 20 year old rookie of the year ++ for him.

Siakam is good but not elite. He's also an expiring contract. Blazers shouldn't trade a 19 year old rookie who showed great potential for him.

I'm not saying they have to, but it's 2 teams who had very different trajectories heading into this past season. You're right Siakam is not elite, but he's 28 and is pretty healthy overall. And Portland also has a homegrown star who is tired of losing/missing playoffs, and an organization who's loyal to a fault and have vowed to make significant additions to surround him this offseason.

[ArthurVandelay]

Because they're beholden to Dame Lillard and his desire to add established NBA talent to the roster.

I hope you're right but i wouldn't hold my breath. I can't imagine a GM watching the Raptors this season and thinking "this is what i want on my team".

Siakam has been phenomenal this season. I think any GM that would consider trading for him would be looking at him individually and not the team success as a whole.

Couldn’t agree more. And looking at Portland, what better Robin is out there to their Batman?

[bboyskinnylegs]

If you're going to make huge changes, you don't go for Sharpe. You move almost everyone and offer a massive haul of picks and young prospects for Shai. He is the one.

we gave up our ability to trade a haul of picks for a star when we dealt our top 6 protected 2024 pick for Yak at the deadline.

[Rapsfan07]

I hope you're right but i wouldn't hold my breath. I can't imagine a GM watching the Raptors this season and thinking "this is what i want on my team".

Siakam has been phenomenal this season. I think any GM that would consider trading for him would be looking at him individually and not the team success as a whole.

Couldn’t agree more. And looking at Portland, what better Robin is out there to their Batman?

None, tbh.

Of the guys I think we could see hit the market this offseason that Portland actually needs, I can only see Towns as being the better play. But he's going to cost more than Siakam and he doesn't defend well so there's that.

[phanman]

Ultimately Portland just needs to make a decision on what they want to do. They are in a similar boat as we are with an older star(s) and a few high upside core pieces within. Do they restart with Simons, Sharpe and say Barnes or do they really go all-in with Dame to bring Pascal in?

1) Dame for Barnes, Boucher and GTJ (opt in?)
or
2) Simons + Sharpe + whatever for Pascal

Giving up Barnes for Dame is a short-sighted move but man we can't just go into next season with Barnes and Pascal imo. There is just too much overlapping talent and both guys play the same position. Scottie will never develop into his full potential playing alongside and at times behind Pascal.

[Dude-niagara]

Siakam has been phenomenal this season. I think any GM that would consider trading for him would be looking at him individually and not the team success as a whole.

Couldn’t agree more. And looking at Portland, what better Robin is out there to their Batman?

None, tbh.

Of the guys I think we could see hit the market this offseason that Portland actually needs, I can only see Towns as being the better play. But he's going to cost more than Siakam and he doesn't defend well so there's that.

The reality is Siakam needs to be traded this offseason, the experiment with him as the top option the past 4 seasons has been a massive failure. Time to move before having to pay this guy, if the Raptors pay Siakam a max contract then Raptor fans can expect the same type of results that OKC saw and now what Blazer fans are seeing with Dame. Keep in mind that Siakam is not even as good as Westbrook or Dame were at 29 years old. Both those guys just started putting up empty stats on bad teams, who cares but their 12 year level thinking fanboys. Any meaningful change to this team begins with moving Siakam

[Appostis]

If they want to start with Sharp+ this year's pick..

[JRoy]

If they want to start with Sharp+ this year's pick..

We don’t.

[Appostis]

If they want to start with Sharp+ this year's pick..

We don’t.

Enjoy wasting Dame's years. *shrug*

[ItsDanger]

Sharpe is in similar situation as SGA in LA. He's available for the right price.

[JRoy]

If they want to start with Sharp+ this year's pick..

We don’t.

Enjoy wasting Dame's years. *shrug*

Time to rebuild.