Would you extend Pascal Siakam on a max deal?

[MiamiSPX]

And why, pray tell, are Claxton and Monk going to sign with us? Claxton's the best available center, and Monk is one of the top guards, and the top shooting guard if you assume that Maxey and IQ both end up sticking with their current teams.

We've offered the most money, we've offered starting spots, we've offered a chance to Netflix and chill with Drake. Unless you've already been a Raptor, you just aren't interested, again, with very few exceptions.

And now we're going to go out there with a pitch of, "Okay, you'd be playing off the bench, and we probably can't pay you the most money, and there's a good chance we won't win very much. But you can still hang out with Drake!" and expect to pick them up like they're on sale at Walmart?

Just declaring "we'll go out and sign them!" is lunacy.

No FA of note is signing with the Raptors. Schroder is probably our best FA signing ever, and there are very clear reasons for that (he's not American. relationship with Darko, and FVV leaving). There are a few teams where having cap space doesn't mean as much as it would to other teams, and unfortunately the he Raptors are one of them. It would just mean giving Gordon Hayward 30M per season.

[OakleyDokely]

The 2nd/3rd tier players (below max level but above the MLE guys) just sign with the team that offer them the most money. If the Raps offer Claxton 25M and his next best offers are under that, Claxton is signing in Toronto. Money is by far the top priority.

Max level guys and MLE level guys can be picky about location/city/fit because the money is basically the same. But that's not to case for the guys in the middle where the contract offers can vary greatly in size/length.

[alpngso]

No if it's full max at 4/192. 10% discount at 175M, probably

You'd let Siakam walk for nothing over 4m/year?!?

then you trade the guy if he’s not willing to sign it less than max

[webeye]

The 2nd/3rd tier players (below max level but above the MLE guys) just sign with the team that offer them the most money. If the Raps offer Claxton 25M and his next best offers are under that, Claxton is signing in Toronto. Money is by far the top priority.

Max level guys and MLE level guys can be picky about location/city/fit because the money is basically the same. But that's not to case for the guys in the middle where the contract offers can vary greatly in size/length.

Unless we’re the ones offering the most money. Usually they take whoever’s offering the second most money at that point.

Though there’s some combination of tier and salary where that’s probably true for us, too. Offer THT $30M/year and he’ll probably sign. (Ugh.)

[AreBe]

1, Toronto cannot attract free agents
2, he wants to be here
3, he comes cheaper- or at least a better value- odd to say- than having to pay the Milwaukee or Cleveland tax to get someone to play here
4, he's a very good player who will be even better once the talent around him improves.

[xAIRNESSx]

I remember when many here wanted to let Lowry walk for nothing before we won the championship.

People massively overrate cap space.

[byp870720]

IQ and RJ are retool pieces and you don't retool by becoming worse. Our championship team had old vets in Gasol Serge Lowry as well as youth in Pascal Norm FVV. You don't need to trade away all your playable vets just so all your core players age align. Pascal doesn't even have that big of an ego. What's the problem with maxing him. He'll play well for the next 2 years at least and you can just trade him in a year or two if this doesn't work out.

We aren't building through the draft, we had past 2 years to do that and missed our chance. It's retooling until the ship sinks now.

[StopitLeo]

I remember when many here wanted to let Lowry walk for nothing before we won the championship.

People massively overrate cap space.

Cap space is a lot less important with the amount of power players and agents have today. If a player wants to go to a specific team that is over the cap they can/will work out a sign & trade since it is in the best interest of all parties involved.

[tecumseh18]

I remember when many here wanted to let Lowry walk for nothing before we won the championship.

People massively overrate cap space.

Hah, the big target if we had the space in 2021 would have been Rashaun Holmes for 15 mill or so. Apparently we were close to a deal. Whew!

But can we safely say that we shouldn't have let Lowry walk? The deal with the Heat forced us to give up a first/drop 10 spots to San Antonio to get them to take the Dragic contract off our hands. It always helps to have the space. Raps have no chance to be a cap space team going forward once Scottie's extension kicks in, or even this summer after IQ's relatively low cap hold is wiped away by his new deal. This is the last opportunity to get shooters like Malik Monk, or even Buddy Hield, for free.

[byp870720]

I remember when many here wanted to let Lowry walk for nothing before we won the championship.

People massively overrate cap space.

Hah, the big target if we had the space in 2021 would have been Rashaun Holmes for 15 mill or so. Apparently we were close to a deal. Whew!

But can we safely say that we shouldn't have let Lowry walk? The deal with the Heat forced us to give up a first/drop 10 spots to San Antonio to get them to take the Dragic contract off our hands. It always helps to have the space. Raps have no chance to be a cap space team going forward once Scottie's extension kicks in, or even this summer after IQ's relatively low cap hold is wiped away by his new deal. This is the last opportunity to get shooters like Malik Monk, or even Buddy Hield, for free.

Malik Monk is a FA after this season.
Buddy hield is a slight worse version of GTJ when it comes to shooting. I have this guy on my fantasy team and he has these 0/6 games once a week with Haliburton passing him the ball. No thank you.

[OakleyDokely]

The 2nd/3rd tier players (below max level but above the MLE guys) just sign with the team that offer them the most money. If the Raps offer Claxton 25M and his next best offers are under that, Claxton is signing in Toronto. Money is by far the top priority.

Max level guys and MLE level guys can be picky about location/city/fit because the money is basically the same. But that's not to case for the guys in the middle where the contract offers can vary greatly in size/length.

Unless we’re the ones offering the most money. Usually they take whoever’s offering the second most money at that point.

Though there’s some combination of tier and salary where that’s probably true for us, too. Offer THT $30M/year and he’ll probably sign. (Ugh.)

The Raps don't have much of a history as a team operating with cap space above the MLE.

They aren't going to land max level stars, but they'd be as competitive as anyone not named LA, NY, MIA in the range between the MLE and Max.

[Mister Ze]

3-4 would be ideal, 5 year makes it a bit of a bad contract.

Barnes IQ and Barrett are taking over the team so paying Siakam 40-50M isn’t necessary when he’s 34-35.

His game might not age well if he continues struggling from the perimeter.

[Pointgod]

Poll need a hello no option. Its a horrible idea to max Siakam

[Ell Curry]

1, Toronto cannot attract free agents
2, he wants to be here
3, he comes cheaper- or at least a better value- odd to say- than having to pay the Milwaukee or Cleveland tax to get someone to play here
4, he's a very good player who will be even better once the talent around him improves.

Yeah, it's tough to see why we wouldn't re-sign him and if it's not going good next year, you can always send him somewhere and get back a first and some short-term contracts.

If he leaves, it feels like we'd have to sign Monk to be as good a team, and if/when the Kings lose in the playoff again because they lack size at forward then maybe we can even end up doing Monk and Barnes for Siakam at the deadline next year.

So yeah, I'd pay Siakam as long as there isn't any kind of no-trade clause. The Wizards got 4 swaps, 5 2nds and had to take on some bad money in CP3 and Shamet for Beal. That sort of deal isn't a disaster for us and it seems like a 25th percentile outcome for us. A 75th percentile outcome for us sees us get something like the OG return or a 60% of the monster Gobert package or something else that could really help us.

[Kingsway_fan]

1, Toronto cannot attract free agents
2, he wants to be here
3, he comes cheaper- or at least a better value- odd to say- than having to pay the Milwaukee or Cleveland tax to get someone to play here
4, he's a very good player who will be even better once the talent around him improves.

Well said.
Most will bolt first chance yhey get. Especially if they are American born... we don't need poo platter second stringers either in any trade for our 29 year old versatile allstar.

[PushDaRock]

I remember when many here wanted to let Lowry walk for nothing before we won the championship.

People massively overrate cap space.

Hah, the big target if we had the space in 2021 would have been Rashaun Holmes for 15 mill or so. Apparently we were close to a deal. Whew!

But can we safely say that we shouldn't have let Lowry walk? The deal with the Heat forced us to give up a first/drop 10 spots to San Antonio to get them to take the Dragic contract off our hands. It always helps to have the space. Raps have no chance to be a cap space team going forward once Scottie's extension kicks in, or even this summer after IQ's relatively low cap hold is wiped away by his new deal. This is the last opportunity to get shooters like Malik Monk, or even Buddy Hield, for free.

That had more to do with taking Birch's contract which had another year. Dragic was an expiring.

[artsncrafts]

Obviously moving him is better, but I would be okay to extend Siakam if there are no reasonable offers. Firstly, cap space is pointless, Masai signs all the awful guys and then we need to attach picks to get rid of them. Secondly, Pascal is our best player and we arent tanking, he also holds trade value when he is extended at the max, despite RealGM's opinion. Long term you would plan to move him once extended.

[2019nbachamps]

My concern is that even if we want to extend him, Pascal may feel disrespected at this point. It’s crazy we didn’t even offer him an extension over the summer. I’m not a huge Pascal fan but there is no doubt at all he is a max player. If we weren’t prepared to max him we should’ve been more aggressive in trading him to avoid distractions.

[Hero]

I voted no but it wouldn't be the end of the world either.
It would be a cool story if he ended up as the Raptor with the most longevity and records.

[Rapsalot]

I really want to trade him but don’t think we can get decent value back? Indy is best fit both sides to win.
I don’t think he even gave value for last contract. See playoffs number of years and play in them.
Sign 4 years $181 descending with age. Trade him next offseason when Scottie extension hits books.