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TimeForChange wrote:Not too many teams who need to shed a $23m contract, but if a team needs to, they could just trade for Brown and waive him before his salary is guaranteed on June 28th. Draft is June 26th and 27th.

That's really the only move I see the Raptors making this summer.

islandboy53 wrote:

TimeForChange wrote:Not too many teams who need to shed a $23m contract, but if a team needs to, they could just trade for Brown and waive him before his salary is guaranteed on June 28th. Draft is June 26th and 27th.

That's really the only move I see the Raptors making this summer.

You have to pick up his option to trade him.

Jeremy Lin 7 wrote:

YogurtProducer wrote:

Jeremy Lin 7 wrote:Anyone suggesting to trade for Wiggins needs to actually watch basketball.

2022 Wiggs is nothing more than a fluke. What you see right now is what you're getting. He's 29 on the decline and simply does not care about basketball enough to improve his game. Add on to his disgusting contract anyone GM needs to be fired on the spot if they trade for him.

Anyone who thinks trading for Wiggins is actually about Wiggins needs to actually follow how roster and cap management works.

You get some future assets (Moody, a first, whatever) - and then you have the ability to later parlay Wiggins + other salaries (GTJ maybe?) if you want to make a bigger splash down the road. You also cant ignore the possibility a move revitalizes Wiggins career - he is is overpaid but he is far from a bad player. A guy who is a solid defender who is shooting 38% from 3 the last 4 years.

IQ/RJ/Wiggins/Barnes/Poeltl is far from a bad lineup to have as we transition as a franchise.

Not to mention that eventually Wiggins is an expiring, and having a $24M expiring in the current NBA client where teams need to get off money could be extremely valuable to have.

Expiring contracts don't have the same value as they did 10 years ago. He has two years excluding his player option left his deal. You have to consider he's going to take up minutes away from younger guys (Dick, Abagji) to develop. I much rather have those 25-30 minutes go to a younger player. GSW isn't giving up additional assets like moody, and a first just for a salary dump. If anything it'll be for proven players like Pascal and OG (who we don't have anymore) to help in the near term.

Not to mention guys like Wiggins don't the fit culture Masai is trying to build now.

If I'm Jontay Porter I'm taking the under on Wiggins revitalizing his career.

DG88 wrote:Great opportunity for us to be a cap space team to take on contracts + picks. I think we try to set ourselves up from that come draft day.

TimeForChange wrote:The Raptors should offer a poison pill contract to Obi Toppin who will be a RFA.

The Pacers will probably max Pascal, and I don't think they want to be a luxury tax team, so I doubt they match any offers for Toppin.

Toppin would look nice on the Raps next season.

islandboy53 wrote:

TimeForChange wrote:Not too many teams who need to shed a $23m contract, but if a team needs to, they could just trade for Brown and waive him before his salary is guaranteed on June 28th. Draft is June 26th and 27th.

That's really the only move I see the Raptors making this summer.

You have to pick up his option to trade him.

Mak wrote:

islandboy53 wrote:

TimeForChange wrote:Not too many teams who need to shed a $23m contract, but if a team needs to, they could just trade for Brown and waive him before his salary is guaranteed on June 28th. Draft is June 26th and 27th.

That's really the only move I see the Raptors making this summer.

You have to pick up his option to trade him.

Are you sure? Why can’t you trade him before his option date?

YogurtProducer wrote:

Jeremy Lin 7 wrote:

YogurtProducer wrote:Anyone who thinks trading for Wiggins is actually about Wiggins needs to actually follow how roster and cap management works.

You get some future assets (Moody, a first, whatever) - and then you have the ability to later parlay Wiggins + other salaries (GTJ maybe?) if you want to make a bigger splash down the road. You also cant ignore the possibility a move revitalizes Wiggins career - he is is overpaid but he is far from a bad player. A guy who is a solid defender who is shooting 38% from 3 the last 4 years.

IQ/RJ/Wiggins/Barnes/Poeltl is far from a bad lineup to have as we transition as a franchise.

Not to mention that eventually Wiggins is an expiring, and having a $24M expiring in the current NBA client where teams need to get off money could be extremely valuable to have.

Expiring contracts don't have the same value as they did 10 years ago. He has two years excluding his player option left his deal. You have to consider he's going to take up minutes away from younger guys (Dick, Abagji) to develop. I much rather have those 25-30 minutes go to a younger player. GSW isn't giving up additional assets like moody, and a first just for a salary dump. If anything it'll be for proven players like Pascal and OG (who we don't have anymore) to help in the near term.

Not to mention guys like Wiggins don't the fit culture Masai is trying to build now.

If I'm Jontay Porter I'm taking the under on Wiggins revitalizing his career.

Except wiggins is a negative value. If they want to get rid of him they HAVE to add assets.

It’s a pipe dream to think they can get better players in return for Wiggins

islandboy53 wrote:

TimeForChange wrote:Not too many teams who need to shed a $23m contract, but if a team needs to, they could just trade for Brown and waive him before his salary is guaranteed on June 28th. Draft is June 26th and 27th.

That's really the only move I see the Raptors making this summer.

You have to pick up his option to trade him.

YogurtProducer wrote:Except wiggins is a negative value. If they want to get rid of him they HAVE to add assets.

It’s a pipe dream to think they can get better players in return for Wiggins

VanWest82 wrote:Has anyone put together a decent list of candidates that might move? It'd be nice to put some names to it.

LoveMyRaps wrote:Jalen Smith is still a guy I'm hoping we sign in free agency.

Ell Curry wrote:

YogurtProducer wrote:Except wiggins is a negative value. If they want to get rid of him they HAVE to add assets.

It’s a pipe dream to think they can get better players in return for Wiggins

Maybe like this at the draft:

Raptors: Wiggins, Payton JR, Looney, GSW 2025 1st unprotected
Warriors: Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Poeltl
Nets: Kuminga (S+T), Bruce Brown, IND 2026 1st from TOR, GSW 1st in 2027

sorta thing if we keep our own pick. I think would have to be 2 separate deals (Kuminga S+T) to work but otherwise looks doable.

Nets get younger and Brown expires along with Simmons next summer and they can go star hunting. Warriors get a Curry-Bridges-Cam-Draymond-Poeltl starting 5. We pray the Warriors give us another top 10 pick in a stacked draft and I guess draft a center to split time with Looney next year and hopefully start in year 2.

This doesn't totally work perfectly, but yeah the Warriors 2025 pick - if it's only say top 6 protected or less - is probably worth taking on Wiggins if a deal can be found.

Mak wrote:

islandboy53 wrote:

TimeForChange wrote:Not too many teams who need to shed a $23m contract, but if a team needs to, they could just trade for Brown and waive him before his salary is guaranteed on June 28th. Draft is June 26th and 27th.

That's really the only move I see the Raptors making this summer.

You have to pick up his option to trade him.

Are you sure? Why can’t you trade him before his option date?

TimeForChange wrote:The Raptors should offer a poison pill contract to Obi Toppin who will be a RFA.

The Pacers will probably max Pascal, and I don't think they want to be a luxury tax team, so I doubt they match any offers for Toppin.

Toppin would look nice on the Raps next season.

Psubs wrote:

LoveMyRaps wrote:Jalen Smith is still a guy I'm hoping we sign in free agency.

How much would you give him where the Pacers wouldn't match? I guess they have to give Pascal $45 million.

15-15-15-15? Would $60 million over 4 years do it? Would rather have him at that then Gary Trent for more.

Ackshun wrote:

HangTime wrote:I'd take
Wiggins
Paul
2025 FRP
option to swap our own or Indiana's 2026 FRP
Option to swap 2027 FRP

-if we don't exercise the both options, then we get a 2028 FRP.

for

Brown, McDaniels, and Boucher

Maybe Paul agrees to a buyout,
or he's our backup and/or 1 year mentor

As for Wiggins, I just think he needs a fresh start. Maybe playing at home will help.

The warriors get salary relief

I think warriors can do much better Brown/McDaniels/Boucher if they are attaching picks.

I can see Brown traded for a late first or second. The other guys, nothing.. maybe a second rounder.

Imo Poetl is our only trade chip if we are retooling once again