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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#61 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:26 pm

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Raptors get 2 defensive minded players that fit with IQ and Scottie. Pick up an extra first as well. Let Boucher and BB expire open up cap space. Smart and Herb help turnaround this terrible defensive culture. Use our 2025 pick to add shooting as a focus


Pelicans get a big guard that has played with Zion and has put up better number than BI on a better secured contract. Dick and Olynk also fit around Zion.

Grizzlies go all in by trading bench assets and a late first for a starter level wing. If they were in on paying Jimmy then they would probably be in on Ingram at a discount to contend as they’re 3rd in the West atm
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#62 » by ForeverTFC » Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:24 pm

Per WT, Pistons now considering using the deadline to get better. So only way to dump salary now is going to be into the MLE. Jazz, Hornets, Rockets and the Raptors are the teams that have a majority - if not all - of the MLE to use before going into the tax. Am I missing any other teams?
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#63 » by LarSiN » Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:29 pm

greekman wrote:rj for williamson


The guy who couldn't even get to the plane on time & might eat himself out of the league? No thanks
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Post#64 » by ForeverTFC » Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:33 pm

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greekman wrote:rj for williamson


The guy who couldn't even get to the plane on time & might eat himself out of the league? No thanks


Contract is unguaranteed. If they end up trading Poeltl and don't take term back, they can carve out serious cap space if they wish to do so.

With that said, I have no idea what they would do with that space.
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Post#65 » by LarSiN » Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:34 pm

I'd rather have RJ tbh
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#66 » by Lord_Zedd » Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:45 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:Per WT, Pistons now considering using the deadline to get better. So only way to dump salary now is going to be into the MLE. Jazz, Hornets, Rockets and the Raptors are the teams that have a majority - if not all - of the MLE to use before going into the tax. Am I missing any other teams?


Pretty sure the Wizards have it too... JV was a sign and trade for them
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Post#67 » by islandboy53 » Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:53 pm

Lord_Zedd wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:Per WT, Pistons now considering using the deadline to get better. So only way to dump salary now is going to be into the MLE. Jazz, Hornets, Rockets and the Raptors are the teams that have a majority - if not all - of the MLE to use before going into the tax. Am I missing any other teams?


Pretty sure the Wizards have it too... JV was a sign and trade for them


Spotrac is a useful tool here. There are 10 teams with room under the tax greater than $10 million (other tax room teams have $5 million or less available). Of those, only Toronto, Houston, Washington & Utah have the full MLE available. Utah could use the entire $12.8 million, Washington has about $12 million available, Houston $10.6, and the Raps have $10.1 million.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#68 » by ArthurVandelay » Sat Jan 11, 2025 12:18 am

Raptors have $5.1m TPE remaining from the Siakam trade.

It expires on January 17th.
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Post#69 » by CazOnReal » Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:00 am

LarSiN wrote:I'd rather have RJ tbh

So would the Raptors

Trading RJ for a pick is so ass backwards I don't even know where to begin.
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Post#70 » by ForeverTFC » Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:10 am

CazOnReal wrote:
LarSiN wrote:I'd rather have RJ tbh

So would the Raptors

Trading RJ for a pick is so ass backwards I don't even know where to begin.


Why? Probably not worth it if it's 1 pick late in the 1st, but if you can get a decent pick and a decent player that you can trade again, why not?
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Post#71 » by CazOnReal » Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:12 am

ArthurVandelay wrote:Raptors have $5.1m TPE remaining from the Siakam trade.

It expires on January 17th.

Not many options for a salary dump with an exception that small. You could use it to fit in a rookie contract if you somehow eke out a reclamation project, however.
Boucher to the Nuggets
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Put this one together in light of that recent "Nuggets are interested in Boucher" news.

Olynyk to the Bucks
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Assuming that Portis could get rerouted to another team or the Raptors trade Boucher, Brown, etc. to a team which involves a player who can be waived.
Raptors pull their version of the Dragic trade:
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Pistons look like they'll make the playoffs so you're essentially "moving up" in the draft by trading Davion Mitchell to a team that desperately needs to replace Conley at point.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#72 » by CazOnReal » Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:19 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
CazOnReal wrote:
LarSiN wrote:I'd rather have RJ tbh

So would the Raptors

Trading RJ for a pick is so ass backwards I don't even know where to begin.


Why? Probably not worth it if it's 1 pick late in the 1st, but if you can get a decent pick and a decent player that you can trade again, why not?

That pick could be anything, it could even be RJ!

Like I don't think people really understand how unrealistic it is for the player we draft in this hypothetical to become as productive as RJ has been, despite his flaws on defense. Besides, it's not like RJ is incapable of improving further. Just look at his improvement since joining Toronto i.e. shot selection, playmaking, etc.

We aren't going to be spending forever developing our guys so adding a multi-year project on top of whomever we get in this draft is only going to make for a mess between minute management and pecking order.

I also think it's way too early to bother with speculating on RJ trades. Like if you don't work out an extension in the offseason? Sure, maybe take some calls but it's pointless when you've barely gotten a glimpse of your core 3 players on the court together - and frankly i'd say RJ has looked the best of the guys you drafted/traded for amongst him, Dick and Quickley as a player and fit.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#73 » by ArthurVandelay » Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:34 am

CazOnReal wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:Raptors have $5.1m TPE remaining from the Siakam trade.

It expires on January 17th.

Not many options for a salary dump with an exception that small. You could use it to fit in a rookie contract if you somehow eke out a reclamation project, however.
Boucher to the Nuggets
Spoiler:
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Put this one together in light of that recent "Nuggets are interested in Boucher" news.

Olynyk to the Bucks
Spoiler:
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Assuming that Portis could get rerouted to another team or the Raptors trade Boucher, Brown, etc. to a team which involves a player who can be waived.
Raptors pull their version of the Dragic trade:
Spoiler:
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Pistons look like they'll make the playoffs so you're essentially "moving up" in the draft by trading Davion Mitchell to a team that desperately needs to replace Conley at point.



Boston dumping Springer saves them $16m in taxes. Boston has some pretty juicy 2nds

2025 second round draft pick from Golden State, Washington, Detroit or Dallas
Boston will receive the most / more favorable of Golden State's 2025 2nd round pick, Washington's 2025 2nd round pick, Detroit's 2025 2nd round pick protected for selections 56-59, and Dallas' 2025 2nd round pick; Dallas will receive the less favorable of (i) its pick and (ii) the most / more favorable of the Detroit pick if conveyable, the Golden State pick or the Washington pick; Washington will receive the less favorable of its pick and the Golden State pick, and the less favorable of (i) the more favorable of the two and (ii) the Detroit pick if conveyable or Washington will receive neither (i) nor (ii) if the Detroit pick is not conveyable (via Detroit to L.A. Clippers to Portland to Detroit; via Detroit's right to swap Golden State for Washington (via Brooklyn); via Boston's right to swap Detroit, Golden State or Washington for Dallas; via Detroit to Washington) [Brooklyn-Golden State, 7/7/2019; Brooklyn-Detroit-L.A. Clippers, 11/19/2020; Brooklyn-Indiana-L.A. Lakers-San Antonio-Washington, 8/6/2021; Brooklyn-Detroit, 9/4/2021; L.A. Clippers-Portland, 2/4/2022; Detroit-Portland, 7/6/2022; Boston-Detroit, 6/28/2023; Boston-Dallas-San Antonio, 7/12/2023; Detroit-Washington, 1/14/2024]

2026 second round draft pick from Minnesota, New York, New Orleans or Portland (most favorable)
Boston will receive the most favorable of Minnesota's 2026 2nd round pick, New York's 2026 2nd round pick, New Orleans' 2026 2nd round pick and Portland's 2026 2nd round pick; New York will receive the less favorable of its pick and the Minnesota pick; San Antonio will receive the less favorable of the New Orleans pick and the Portland pick; Washington will receive the less favorable of (i) the more favorable of the Minnesota pick and the New York pick and (ii) the more favorable of the New Orleans pick and the Portland pick (via Minnesota to New York; via New Orleans to Portland to New Orleans; via Portland to Detroit; via New Orleans to San Antonio; via Detroit to Boston; via Detroit to Washington) [Minnesota-New York, 11/24/2020; New Orleans-Portland, 7/30/2021; New Orleans-Portland, 2/8/2022; Detroit-Portland, 7/6/2022; Detroit-New York, 7/11/2022; New Orleans-San Antonio, 2/9/2023; Boston-Detroit, 6/28/2023; Detroit-Washington, 1/14/2024]

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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#74 » by ForeverTFC » Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:03 am

CazOnReal wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
CazOnReal wrote:So would the Raptors

Trading RJ for a pick is so ass backwards I don't even know where to begin.


Why? Probably not worth it if it's 1 pick late in the 1st, but if you can get a decent pick and a decent player that you can trade again, why not?

That pick could be anything, it could even be RJ!

Like I don't think people really understand how unrealistic it is for the player we draft in this hypothetical to become as productive as RJ has been, despite his flaws on defense. Besides, it's not like RJ is incapable of improving further. Just look at his improvement since joining Toronto i.e. shot selection, playmaking, etc.

We aren't going to be spending forever developing our guys so adding a multi-year project on top of whomever we get in this draft is only going to make for a mess between minute management and pecking order.

I also think it's way too early to bother with speculating on RJ trades. Like if you don't work out an extension in the offseason? Sure, maybe take some calls but it's pointless when you've barely gotten a glimpse of your core 3 players on the court together - and frankly i'd say RJ has looked the best of the guys you drafted/traded for amongst him, Dick and Quickley as a player and fit.


I agree in general. With that said, I don’t think RJ fits with Scottie and IQ who we are committed to. There just isn’t enough shots left otherwise and the offense is clunky when everyone needs theirs but get it in different ways.

Add in that RJ’s salary/contract isn’t great, if there is a deal they like, why not take it? And why not explore that?
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#75 » by Los_29 » Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:06 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Image

Raptors get 2 defensive minded players that fit with IQ and Scottie. Pick up an extra first as well. Let Boucher and BB expire open up cap space. Smart and Herb help turnaround this terrible defensive culture. Use our 2025 pick to add shooting as a focus


Pelicans get a big guard that has played with Zion and has put up better number than BI on a better secured contract. Dick and Olynk also fit around Zion.

Grizzlies go all in by trading bench assets and a late first for a starter level wing. If they were in on paying Jimmy then they would probably be in on Ingram at a discount to contend as they’re 3rd in the West atm


Wow, that’s brutal. :lol:
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Post#76 » by LoveMyRaps » Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:08 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Image

Raptors get 2 defensive minded players that fit with IQ and Scottie. Pick up an extra first as well. Let Boucher and BB expire open up cap space. Smart and Herb help turnaround this terrible defensive culture. Use our 2025 pick to add shooting as a focus


Pelicans get a big guard that has played with Zion and has put up better number than BI on a better secured contract. Dick and Olynk also fit around Zion.

Grizzlies go all in by trading bench assets and a late first for a starter level wing. If they were in on paying Jimmy then they would probably be in on Ingram at a discount to contend as they’re 3rd in the West atm


Holy fk this is dreadful.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#77 » by LoveMyRaps » Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:10 am

CazOnReal wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:Raptors have $5.1m TPE remaining from the Siakam trade.

It expires on January 17th.

Not many options for a salary dump with an exception that small. You could use it to fit in a rookie contract if you somehow eke out a reclamation project, however.
Boucher to the Nuggets
Spoiler:
Image

Put this one together in light of that recent "Nuggets are interested in Boucher" news.

Olynyk to the Bucks
Spoiler:
Image

Assuming that Portis could get rerouted to another team or the Raptors trade Boucher, Brown, etc. to a team which involves a player who can be waived.
Raptors pull their version of the Dragic trade:
Spoiler:
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Pistons look like they'll make the playoffs so you're essentially "moving up" in the draft by trading Davion Mitchell to a team that desperately needs to replace Conley at point.


These proposals are highway robberies for the Raps.
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Post#78 » by Kingsway_fan » Sat Jan 11, 2025 12:10 pm

Los_29 wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Image

Raptors get 2 defensive minded players that fit with IQ and Scottie. Pick up an extra first as well. Let Boucher and BB expire open up cap space. Smart and Herb help turnaround this terrible defensive culture. Use our 2025 pick to add shooting as a focus


Pelicans get a big guard that has played with Zion and has put up better number than BI on a better secured contract. Dick and Olynk also fit around Zion.

Grizzlies go all in by trading bench assets and a late first for a starter level wing. If they were in on paying Jimmy then they would probably be in on Ingram at a discount to contend as they’re 3rd in the West atm


Wow, that’s brutal. :lol:


Lol, yeah.. not certain even without RJ, that I would do that trade ..
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#79 » by Shakril » Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:45 pm

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Image

Raptors get 2 defensive minded players that fit with IQ and Scottie. Pick up an extra first as well. Let Boucher and BB expire open up cap space. Smart and Herb help turnaround this terrible defensive culture. Use our 2025 pick to add shooting as a focus


Pelicans get a big guard that has played with Zion and has put up better number than BI on a better secured contract. Dick and Olynk also fit around Zion.

Grizzlies go all in by trading bench assets and a late first for a starter level wing. If they were in on paying Jimmy then they would probably be in on Ingram at a discount to contend as they’re 3rd in the West atm



Pelicans side:

Yeah, you get in Dick and RJ 2 young Players that can plays.

Raptors:

Unsure, herb jones yes, but everything else - we are giving up 2 players of value

Grizzlies:

Simply no. Not for always injured ingram.
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Re: 2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0 

Post#80 » by djsunyc » Sat Jan 11, 2025 5:55 pm

all players are expiring. pistons take on alot more salary.

pistons: bruce + boucher +

raptors: thjr + beasley + wendell moore jr + draft compensation

something like 2026 or 2027 1st or a couple of 2nd round picks like 2025 (ours) + 2025 (wiz)

we basically cut all those guys.

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