Poll: Zion or Ingram?

[BHF]

I would love to get Fox and Zion, trade IQ and picks for Fox then trade Brown, Dick, Olynyk and picks for Zion and Hawkins.

Fox
RJ
Barnes
Zion
Poeltl

[Rapsfan07]

I would love to get Fox and Zion, trade IQ and picks for Fox then trade Brown, Dick, Olynyk and picks for Zion and Hawkins.

Fox
RJ
Barnes
Zion
Poeltl

Shooting would be a major issue with this team.

I'm not sure we really should be going with any of these guys but I think Ingram will have the longer career and plays a position that is relatively hard to fill around the league. Zion's a stud when he's playing - no doubt about that. But with his commitment to fitness and injury history, unless he's coming for pennies on the dollar, I don't think it would be worth it.

I think we should be tanking and building young around Barnes but if we are going to go for the stars, I would do something around IQ for Fox and Brown, Boucher and a pick or two for Ingram.

The obvious issue with this is money and contract length. Ingram is a free agent and could leave in the summer; same thing for Fox next year. I don't see how we could keep all of these guys on market level deals without having to pay the tax so you'll definitely have to move Barrett as well and would be looking for a 3+D type at SG.

If we managed to pull it off we'd be looking at:

PG: Fox/Shead
SG: Harper or Edgewcombe/Walker/Agbaji
SF: Ingram/Dick
PF: Barnes/Mogbo
C: Poeltl/Olynyk

Round out the edges with second round picks or cheap vets

[PhilBlackson]

I would love to get Fox and Zion, trade IQ and picks for Fox then trade Brown, Dick, Olynyk and picks for Zion and Hawkins.

Fox
RJ
Barnes
Zion
Poeltl

Shooting would be a major issue with this team.

I'm not sure we really should be going with any of these guys but I think Ingram will have the longer career and plays a position that is relatively hard to fill around the league. Zion's a stud when he's playing - no doubt about that. But with his commitment to fitness and injury history, unless he's coming for pennies on the dollar, I don't think it would be worth it.

I think we should be tanking and building young around Barnes but if we are going to go for the stars, I would do something around IQ for Fox and Brown, Boucher and a pick or two for Ingram.

The obvious issue with this is money and contract length. Ingram is a free agent and could leave in the summer; same thing for Fox next year. I don't see how we could keep all of these guys on market level deals without having to pay the tax so you'll definitely have to move Barrett as well and would be looking for a 3+D type at SG.

If we managed to pull it off we'd be looking at:

PG: Fox/Shead
SG: Harper or Edgewcombe/Walker/Agbaji
SF: Ingram/Dick
PF: Barnes/Mogbo
C: Poeltl/Olynyk

Round out the edges with second round picks or cheap vets

You might be missing the updates but it sounds like Fox is on his way to the Spurs already.

[DKB333]

Do the logical thing and trade the vets if you are able to and see what happens in the lottery. This is a huge swing. not like trading for Poeltl. That was a big trade for sure, but for a starter, not a star. Do not want. Bad fits with the team to boot.

[TheRaptor!]

I like BI’s odds more.

My fear with Ingram is that he had his blood clot issue in 2019. If it recurs ... end of career.

Of course, I'm not a doctor and I don't know if BI is at great risk than any random player who hasn't yet had blood clots. It's been over five years, so maybe unlikely to recur. Bosh had them relatively close together.

I see no chance that Raptors will get Zion for expirings. The league wants Zion in a big media centre, and will reward NOP with the first overall pick in this upcoming draft if they can facilitate that (just as they did in the years CP and AD went to LA).

I see someone else has begun to understand how draft lottery fixing truly works in the NBA.

thats why thete is no need to stress over wins, its rigged

[Merit]

Zion hands down. This has the potential to be Kawhi redux.

Zion for expiring contracts? That would be a STEAL.

[Scase]

I can tell that a lot of these posters who want Ingram have never really watched him play or know his game. He is not a fit with this team, constantly injured and is expecting a raise. Team treadmill wants to lock us into mediocrity so bad.

Alot of raptor fans are extremely impatient and desperate to be relevant again despite this only being "year 1" of the rebuild. This season is supposed to be about tanking and stocking up on picks. Then next year you can look towards making some trades

Neither of these statements are true…I don’t wanna date myself too much but I’ve been watching ball since MJ and loved the damn sport ever since then so no I’m not “unfamiliar” with BI’s game lol. I’ve seen plenty thanks, if you disagree on his fit that’s cool and your opinion. But come down off that pedestal, we don’t have to share the same opinion.

Nor am I impatient. I’ve stipulated many times that I’m only on board if they can get those guys to agree to sit out majority of the remaining season. If not, no I certainly don’t wanna make any move to for a stupid Play In push. I only see it as trading in contract fodder to take a flyer on what could potentially be a seriously depressed asset which would be a poormans Kawhi type of trade and likewise leaving to Alex to rehabilitate either guy enough to to start being more competitive or at bare minimum rehabilitate their trade value above what we paid….NEXT year.

I don’t think you’re being realistic if either of you believe that Masai is simply going to play out next season and just see where it takes him in a contract year (period). Whether it’s returning or going elsewhere, Masai will want to be able to negotiate a much better contract off the heels of a team on the incline vs one that sputtered and been in the lottery 5 out of the last 6 years. I just flat out do not see that happening. So we take on one of these guys, sit them out, get a good pick then come back firing in 26’. Even if I wanted to tank for AJ, I can’t even picture that happening at all.

I think jumping into a team next year with BI is being impatient, staying the course as is we be the longer term and likely more successful route. We've already seen a team for years with a non first option in Siakam, we don't need a lesser version of him again.

[RaptorPride]

[RaptorPride]

Alot of raptor fans are extremely impatient and desperate to be relevant again despite this only being "year 1" of the rebuild. This season is supposed to be about tanking and stocking up on picks. Then next year you can look towards making some trades

Neither of these statements are true…I don’t wanna date myself too much but I’ve been watching ball since MJ and loved the damn sport ever since then so no I’m not “unfamiliar” with BI’s game lol. I’ve seen plenty thanks, if you disagree on his fit that’s cool and your opinion. But come down off that pedestal, we don’t have to share the same opinion.

Nor am I impatient. I’ve stipulated many times that I’m only on board if they can get those guys to agree to sit out majority of the remaining season. If not, no I certainly don’t wanna make any move to for a stupid Play In push. I only see it as trading in contract fodder to take a flyer on what could potentially be a seriously depressed asset which would be a poormans Kawhi type of trade and likewise leaving to Alex to rehabilitate either guy enough to to start being more competitive or at bare minimum rehabilitate their trade value above what we paid….NEXT year.

I don’t think you’re being realistic if either of you believe that Masai is simply going to play out next season and just see where it takes him in a contract year (period). Whether it’s returning or going elsewhere, Masai will want to be able to negotiate a much better contract off the heels of a team on the incline vs one that sputtered and been in the lottery 5 out of the last 6 years. I just flat out do not see that happening. So we take on one of these guys, sit them out, get a good pick then come back firing in 26’. Even if I wanted to tank for AJ, I can’t even picture that happening at all.

I think jumping into a team next year with BI is being impatient, staying the course as is we be the longer term and likely more successful route. We've already seen a team for years with a non first option in Siakam, we don't need a lesser version of him again.

The thing is we got expiring contacts to trade who aren't key pieces of the future. Its' gonna be harder to do any deals for an all star after this year with out giving up our main guys. I just hope it doesn't screw the tank over.

[Scase]

Neither of these statements are true…I don’t wanna date myself too much but I’ve been watching ball since MJ and loved the damn sport ever since then so no I’m not “unfamiliar” with BI’s game lol. I’ve seen plenty thanks, if you disagree on his fit that’s cool and your opinion. But come down off that pedestal, we don’t have to share the same opinion.

Nor am I impatient. I’ve stipulated many times that I’m only on board if they can get those guys to agree to sit out majority of the remaining season. If not, no I certainly don’t wanna make any move to for a stupid Play In push. I only see it as trading in contract fodder to take a flyer on what could potentially be a seriously depressed asset which would be a poormans Kawhi type of trade and likewise leaving to Alex to rehabilitate either guy enough to to start being more competitive or at bare minimum rehabilitate their trade value above what we paid….NEXT year.

I don’t think you’re being realistic if either of you believe that Masai is simply going to play out next season and just see where it takes him in a contract year (period). Whether it’s returning or going elsewhere, Masai will want to be able to negotiate a much better contract off the heels of a team on the incline vs one that sputtered and been in the lottery 5 out of the last 6 years. I just flat out do not see that happening. So we take on one of these guys, sit them out, get a good pick then come back firing in 26’. Even if I wanted to tank for AJ, I can’t even picture that happening at all.

I think jumping into a team next year with BI is being impatient, staying the course as is we be the longer term and likely more successful route. We've already seen a team for years with a non first option in Siakam, we don't need a lesser version of him again.

The thing is we got expiring contacts to trade who aren't key pieces of the future. Its' gonna be harder to do any deals for an all star after this year with out giving up our main guys. I just hope it doesn't screw the tank over.

I'd rather let them expire than be saddled with an oft injured 27 year old Siakam-lite. Much like the Jak trade, sometimes doing nothing, is better than doing something.

[TheRaptor!]

I think jumping into a team next year with BI is being impatient, staying the course as is we be the longer term and likely more successful route. We've already seen a team for years with a non first option in Siakam, we don't need a lesser version of him again.

The thing is we got expiring contacts to trade who aren't key pieces of the future. Its' gonna be harder to do any deals for an all star after this year with out giving up our main guys. I just hope it doesn't screw the tank over.

I'd rather let them expire than be saddled with an oft injured 27 year old Siakam-lite. Much like the Jak trade, sometimes doing nothing, is better than doing something.

If there wasnt a stigma attached he wouldnt be available for this cheap

[Pointgod]

Alot of raptor fans are extremely impatient and desperate to be relevant again despite this only being "year 1" of the rebuild. This season is supposed to be about tanking and stocking up on picks. Then next year you can look towards making some trades

Neither of these statements are true…I don’t wanna date myself too much but I’ve been watching ball since MJ and loved the damn sport ever since then so no I’m not “unfamiliar” with BI’s game lol. I’ve seen plenty thanks, if you disagree on his fit that’s cool and your opinion. But come down off that pedestal, we don’t have to share the same opinion.

Nor am I impatient. I’ve stipulated many times that I’m only on board if they can get those guys to agree to sit out majority of the remaining season. If not, no I certainly don’t wanna make any move to for a stupid Play In push. I only see it as trading in contract fodder to take a flyer on what could potentially be a seriously depressed asset which would be a poormans Kawhi type of trade and likewise leaving to Alex to rehabilitate either guy enough to to start being more competitive or at bare minimum rehabilitate their trade value above what we paid….NEXT year.

I don’t think you’re being realistic if either of you believe that Masai is simply going to play out next season and just see where it takes him in a contract year (period). Whether it’s returning or going elsewhere, Masai will want to be able to negotiate a much better contract off the heels of a team on the incline vs one that sputtered and been in the lottery 5 out of the last 6 years. I just flat out do not see that happening. So we take on one of these guys, sit them out, get a good pick then come back firing in 26’. Even if I wanted to tank for AJ, I can’t even picture that happening at all.

I think jumping into a team next year with BI is being impatient, staying the course as is we be the longer term and likely more successful route. We've already seen a team for years with a non first option in Siakam, we don't need a lesser version of him again.

You know what’s funny. You’ve been saying that we’ve been winning because we were playing vets. No Boucher and Olynyk tonight and Brown gets 16 minutes and we lose the Bulls of all teams. It just goes to show you that management knows exactly how to maximize their lottery position, they just don’t want to pull the trigger.

[Scase]

The thing is we got expiring contacts to trade who aren't key pieces of the future. Its' gonna be harder to do any deals for an all star after this year with out giving up our main guys. I just hope it doesn't screw the tank over.

I'd rather let them expire than be saddled with an oft injured 27 year old Siakam-lite. Much like the Jak trade, sometimes doing nothing, is better than doing something.

If there wasnt a stigma attached he wouldnt be available for this cheap

Well yeah, but there are levels to stigmas, bad attitude, poor work ethic? Maybe you can work with those, maybe it's the environment. But a career of constant injuries? That's not a stigma, that's a blaring air siren warning you of impending doom.

[Scase]

Neither of these statements are true…I don’t wanna date myself too much but I’ve been watching ball since MJ and loved the damn sport ever since then so no I’m not “unfamiliar” with BI’s game lol. I’ve seen plenty thanks, if you disagree on his fit that’s cool and your opinion. But come down off that pedestal, we don’t have to share the same opinion.

Nor am I impatient. I’ve stipulated many times that I’m only on board if they can get those guys to agree to sit out majority of the remaining season. If not, no I certainly don’t wanna make any move to for a stupid Play In push. I only see it as trading in contract fodder to take a flyer on what could potentially be a seriously depressed asset which would be a poormans Kawhi type of trade and likewise leaving to Alex to rehabilitate either guy enough to to start being more competitive or at bare minimum rehabilitate their trade value above what we paid….NEXT year.

I don’t think you’re being realistic if either of you believe that Masai is simply going to play out next season and just see where it takes him in a contract year (period). Whether it’s returning or going elsewhere, Masai will want to be able to negotiate a much better contract off the heels of a team on the incline vs one that sputtered and been in the lottery 5 out of the last 6 years. I just flat out do not see that happening. So we take on one of these guys, sit them out, get a good pick then come back firing in 26’. Even if I wanted to tank for AJ, I can’t even picture that happening at all.

I think jumping into a team next year with BI is being impatient, staying the course as is we be the longer term and likely more successful route. We've already seen a team for years with a non first option in Siakam, we don't need a lesser version of him again.

You know what’s funny. You’ve been saying that we’ve been winning because we were playing vets. No Boucher and Olynyk tonight and Brown gets 16 minutes and we lose the Bulls of all teams. It just goes to show you that management knows exactly how to maximize their lottery position, they just don’t want to pull the trigger.

[Merit]

Zion would be a Kawhi-like acquisition.

High risk. High reward. Plus, he'd be the most exciting player we've had since VC. Could you imagine the Scottie to Zion lobs?

Ingram.....he would.improve the team a bit, but....

Zion for sure.

Zion and Scottie is just a bad fit though IMO. Worse than Pascal/Scottie IMO.

Like what do we run? IQ/Dick/Barnes/Zion/Poeltl? Thats a LOT of bad shooters. Siakam was shooting like 34% from 3 at least. Zion doesnt even shoot em.

Jak to the bench. IQ/RJ/Ochai/Scottie/Zion.

Bench mob is nuts: Shead/Jakobe/Gradey/Mogbo/Jak.

Next year? We draft the 2/3 of the future and put Ochai back on the bench where he belongs.

Note: I’ve omitted the players most likely to be traded. They are Bruce Brown, Kelly Olynyk, Chris Boucher and Davion Mitchell.

[Merit]

Neither of these statements are true…I don’t wanna date myself too much but I’ve been watching ball since MJ and loved the damn sport ever since then so no I’m not “unfamiliar” with BI’s game lol. I’ve seen plenty thanks, if you disagree on his fit that’s cool and your opinion. But come down off that pedestal, we don’t have to share the same opinion.

Nor am I impatient. I’ve stipulated many times that I’m only on board if they can get those guys to agree to sit out majority of the remaining season. If not, no I certainly don’t wanna make any move to for a stupid Play In push. I only see it as trading in contract fodder to take a flyer on what could potentially be a seriously depressed asset which would be a poormans Kawhi type of trade and likewise leaving to Alex to rehabilitate either guy enough to to start being more competitive or at bare minimum rehabilitate their trade value above what we paid….NEXT year.

I don’t think you’re being realistic if either of you believe that Masai is simply going to play out next season and just see where it takes him in a contract year (period). Whether it’s returning or going elsewhere, Masai will want to be able to negotiate a much better contract off the heels of a team on the incline vs one that sputtered and been in the lottery 5 out of the last 6 years. I just flat out do not see that happening. So we take on one of these guys, sit them out, get a good pick then come back firing in 26’. Even if I wanted to tank for AJ, I can’t even picture that happening at all.

I think jumping into a team next year with BI is being impatient, staying the course as is we be the longer term and likely more successful route. We've already seen a team for years with a non first option in Siakam, we don't need a lesser version of him again.

You know what’s funny. You’ve been saying that we’ve been winning because we were playing vets. No Boucher and Olynyk tonight and Brown gets 16 minutes and we lose the Bulls of all teams. It just goes to show you that management knows exactly how to maximize their lottery position, they just don’t want to pull the trigger.

I’d also add that rotations that are prioritizing youth (eg. Playing Jakobe) makes things worse too. We’re saying the exact same thing and I agree.

Any of Ingram, Wiggins, and Zion would be an improvement.

[Westside Gunn]

Barret will introduce him to Osmows and we will have an Oliver Miller in 2025, except frequent DNPs due to diarrhea.

For this reason Zion.

[Merit]

My fear with Ingram is that he had his blood clot issue in 2019. If it recurs ... end of career.

Of course, I'm not a doctor and I don't know if BI is at great risk than any random player who hasn't yet had blood clots. It's been over five years, so maybe unlikely to recur. Bosh had them relatively close together.

I see no chance that Raptors will get Zion for expirings. The league wants Zion in a big media centre, and will reward NOP with the first overall pick in this upcoming draft if they can facilitate that (just as they did in the years CP and AD went to LA).

I see someone else has begun to understand how draft lottery fixing truly works in the NBA.

thats why thete is no need to stress over wins, its rigged

Make America Great Again!

[TheRaptor!]

I'd rather let them expire than be saddled with an oft injured 27 year old Siakam-lite. Much like the Jak trade, sometimes doing nothing, is better than doing something.

If there wasnt a stigma attached he wouldnt be available for this cheap

Well yeah, but there are levels to stigmas, bad attitude, poor work ethic? Maybe you can work with those, maybe it's the environment. But a career of constant injuries? That's not a stigma, that's a blaring air siren warning you of impending doom.

I blame the Pelicans

Dyson Daniels said it best, they are cursed

Murray is injured again tonight, Zion, Ingram, Herb Jones, etc

[Merit]

Alot of raptor fans are extremely impatient and desperate to be relevant again despite this only being "year 1" of the rebuild. This season is supposed to be about tanking and stocking up on picks. Then next year you can look towards making some trades

Neither of these statements are true…I don’t wanna date myself too much but I’ve been watching ball since MJ and loved the damn sport ever since then so no I’m not “unfamiliar” with BI’s game lol. I’ve seen plenty thanks, if you disagree on his fit that’s cool and your opinion. But come down off that pedestal, we don’t have to share the same opinion.

Nor am I impatient. I’ve stipulated many times that I’m only on board if they can get those guys to agree to sit out majority of the remaining season. If not, no I certainly don’t wanna make any move to for a stupid Play In push. I only see it as trading in contract fodder to take a flyer on what could potentially be a seriously depressed asset which would be a poormans Kawhi type of trade and likewise leaving to Alex to rehabilitate either guy enough to to start being more competitive or at bare minimum rehabilitate their trade value above what we paid….NEXT year.

I don’t think you’re being realistic if either of you believe that Masai is simply going to play out next season and just see where it takes him in a contract year (period). Whether it’s returning or going elsewhere, Masai will want to be able to negotiate a much better contract off the heels of a team on the incline vs one that sputtered and been in the lottery 5 out of the last 6 years. I just flat out do not see that happening. So we take on one of these guys, sit them out, get a good pick then come back firing in 26’. Even if I wanted to tank for AJ, I can’t even picture that happening at all.

I think jumping into a team next year with BI is being impatient, staying the course as is we be the longer term and likely more successful route. We've already seen a team for years with a non first option in Siakam, we don't need a lesser version of him again.

Ingram has consistently shot better than pascal from distance and has a better handle and passing. While not efficient from the midrange, Ingram has a #1 scorer’s mentality. Pascal is always healthy, has better size, plays more of an inside game and has more of a complementary game than a go to scorer.

This is strictly eye test though.

They’re rather equal players. If we get Ingram we are doubling down on ball iq/passing. It’s arguable that Ingram is a huge needle mover, but the price is right and we get the better player. If it’s Zion though? Yeah - alllllll day.