Pascal Siakam Back into the Nba Finals Celebration Party

[Clutch0z24]

Siakam didn't want out of Toronto. He wanted the supermax.

I mean you can say that now....But there were legit rumors of him wanting to be with the Pacers....OG was basically already a Knick which we all knew....We have no idea how the convos went....But its not out of the relm of possibility that these guys were going to leave in Free agency....Which is why they were traded.....Lets say even if Siakam stayed with this current team Masai has very few options to build a title contender with that.....Pacers while making it to the finals to me are not a legit threat to win the title....I don't think OKC loses this matchup unless something crazy happens like a injury to Shai or Jdub....

At that time there were a whole lotta rumors that they wanted out of Toronto even if it wasn't said in the public eye.....But i will trust Masai judgement there is a reason he made the trades he did....something obviously wasn't going well behind closed doors that us fans were not privied to..

Bro...humble yourself. Pascal wanted to stay in Toronto because it would have meant more money. He never wanted out of toronto because no other team could give him the supermax.

You didn't know that and don't pretend that you did.

I'm skeptical you even understand what we are talking about but I will explain it to you. Siakam was only allowed to sign the supermax contract with toronto because we drafted him. All the other teams have a lower limit of $ to which they are allowed to give him.

That's why he didn't want to be traded and that's also why all the BS you are typing in this thread is hilarious.

Pascal is playing for the Raptors?.....No....Hes a Pacer....Theres a reason he got traded....Masai didn't want to risk losing him for nothing.....NOTHING is guarenteed with free agency man....FVV also prolly told Masai he was going to resign in Toronto....Which is why he never traded FVV....Ended up leaving for nothing...

Like i said you can SAY he wanted to stay in Toronto but you don't know that 100 percent.....I do understand the supermax....Lol.....I will trust Masai judgement in the situation....He wouldn't have traded him for pennies on the dollar if he could have just held onto him after he signed a long contract with us where he could of extracted more assets for him at a later date if need be.

There were obviously concerns on Masai part that there were in fact legit chances he leaves for nothing in Free agency....There were lots of rumors Siakam was going to leave as well so this is not coming from no where....

Siakam is a Pacer let it be no reason to keep holding onto the past..



I mean think of it logically Masai traded a valuable pick for Poetlt and tried to compete with that team despite being in a prime position to go for Wemby....He tried his best to keep that team together despite the fan base wanting change....Why would he do all that just to want to trade everyone for way cheaper than what he could have if he traded them earlier?....FVV was suppose to resign which never happend...OG wanted out as well....And then Siakam prolly didn't give any indications behind closed doors he was going to sign the contract....So Masai made the moves because he couldn't afford to lose them for nothing....Masai plan was to keep that team together which didn't happen time to move on...

[Los_29]

I mean you can say that now....But there were legit rumors of him wanting to be with the Pacers....OG was basically already a Knick which we all knew....We have no idea how the convos went....But its not out of the relm of possibility that these guys were going to leave in Free agency....Which is why they were traded.....Lets say even if Siakam stayed with this current team Masai has very few options to build a title contender with that.....Pacers while making it to the finals to me are not a legit threat to win the title....I don't think OKC loses this matchup unless something crazy happens like a injury to Shai or Jdub....

At that time there were a whole lotta rumors that they wanted out of Toronto even if it wasn't said in the public eye.....But i will trust Masai judgement there is a reason he made the trades he did....something obviously wasn't going well behind closed doors that us fans were not privied to..

Bro...humble yourself. Pascal wanted to stay in Toronto because it would have meant more money. He never wanted out of toronto because no other team could give him the supermax.

You didn't know that and don't pretend that you did.

I'm skeptical you even understand what we are talking about but I will explain it to you. Siakam was only allowed to sign the supermax contract with toronto because we drafted him. All the other teams have a lower limit of $ to which they are allowed to give him.

That's why he didn't want to be traded and that's also why all the BS you are typing in this thread is hilarious.

Pascal is playing for the Raptors?.....No....Hes a Pacer....Theres a reason he got traded....Masai didn't want to risk losing him for nothing.....NOTHING is guarenteed with free agency man....FVV also prolly told Masai he was going to resign in Toronto....Which is why he never traded FVV....Ended up leaving for nothing...

Like i said you can SAY he wanted to stay in Toronto but you don't know that 100 percent.....I do understand the supermax....Lol.....I will trust Masai judgement in the situation....He wouldn't have traded him for pennies on the dollar if he could have just held onto him after he signed a long contract with us where he could of extracted more assets for him at a later date if need be.

There were obviously concerns on Masai part that there were in fact legit chances he leaves for nothing in Free agency....There were lots of rumors Siakam was going to leave as well so this is not coming from no where....

Siakam is a Pacer let it be no reason to keep holding onto the past..



I mean think of it logically Masai traded a valuable pick for Poetlt and tried to compete with that team despite being in a prime position to go for Wemby....He tried his best to keep that team together despite the fan base wanting change....Why would he do all that just to want to trade everyone for way cheaper than what he could have if he traded them earlier?....FVV was suppose to resign which never happend...OG wanted out as well....And then Siakam prolly didn't give any indications behind closed doors he was going to sign the contract....So Masai made the moves because he couldn't afford to lose them for nothing....Masai plan was to keep that team together which didn't happen time to move on...

What do you mean by prime position to get Wemby. In order to get Wemby we would’ve needed to win the lottery. We were 8th or 9th place at the time which would’ve given us like a 5% chance to win the lottery. That’s not prime position. Even the worst team in the league aren’t in a prime position. No one is. lol.

[EastonEddy]

Everyday the haters wake up hoping this was just a nightmare but it's not. It's real. Siakam is in the Finals and he's gunning for FMVP to add to his ECFMVP! Let's go.

[Clutch0z24]

Bro...humble yourself. Pascal wanted to stay in Toronto because it would have meant more money. He never wanted out of toronto because no other team could give him the supermax.

You didn't know that and don't pretend that you did.

I'm skeptical you even understand what we are talking about but I will explain it to you. Siakam was only allowed to sign the supermax contract with toronto because we drafted him. All the other teams have a lower limit of $ to which they are allowed to give him.

That's why he didn't want to be traded and that's also why all the BS you are typing in this thread is hilarious.

Pascal is playing for the Raptors?.....No....Hes a Pacer....Theres a reason he got traded....Masai didn't want to risk losing him for nothing.....NOTHING is guarenteed with free agency man....FVV also prolly told Masai he was going to resign in Toronto....Which is why he never traded FVV....Ended up leaving for nothing...

Like i said you can SAY he wanted to stay in Toronto but you don't know that 100 percent.....I do understand the supermax....Lol.....I will trust Masai judgement in the situation....He wouldn't have traded him for pennies on the dollar if he could have just held onto him after he signed a long contract with us where he could of extracted more assets for him at a later date if need be.

There were obviously concerns on Masai part that there were in fact legit chances he leaves for nothing in Free agency....There were lots of rumors Siakam was going to leave as well so this is not coming from no where....

Siakam is a Pacer let it be no reason to keep holding onto the past..



I mean think of it logically Masai traded a valuable pick for Poetlt and tried to compete with that team despite being in a prime position to go for Wemby....He tried his best to keep that team together despite the fan base wanting change....Why would he do all that just to want to trade everyone for way cheaper than what he could have if he traded them earlier?....FVV was suppose to resign which never happend...OG wanted out as well....And then Siakam prolly didn't give any indications behind closed doors he was going to sign the contract....So Masai made the moves because he couldn't afford to lose them for nothing....Masai plan was to keep that team together which didn't happen time to move on...

What do you mean by prime position to get Wemby. In order to get Wemby we would’ve needed to win the lottery. We were 8th or 9th place at the time which would’ve given us like a 5% chance to win the lottery. That’s not prime position. Even the worst team in the league aren’t in a prime position. No one is. lol.

I mean if we traded everyone for WAY more assets than what we would have gotten when we held out on it....We would have in fact been in prime position to go for high lotto balls like the Spurs did....We would have had a chance just like everyone else that were trying.....Because we would have traded Siakam/OG/GTJR/FVV all for draft picks and 10000x alot better packages in return for us than what we ultimatly got Which was losing all these guys for Pennies or nothing....

Like i said if you think of it from a logical perspective instead of a homer perspective....Masai clearly tried his best to keep that team together... To go as far to trade assets for Yak to compete when they could of easily just blown it up that year considering we were a below .500 team at the time....Masai prolly got word FVV was going to resign which he bolted.....Why on earth would he hold onto everyone if he was just planning to trade them all on their walk years?...

Masai clearly wanted to keep that team together long term and the players burnt him....Prolly not giving him word they would sign contracts with us which forced Masai hand to trade them at the last minute for pennies on the dollar....Why on earth would he do that if he didn't wanna keep that team together?....

[Parataxis]

He's a great player, and we were so fortunate getting to watch him develop and win a Championship with us.

[Los_29]

Pascal is playing for the Raptors?.....No....Hes a Pacer....Theres a reason he got traded....Masai didn't want to risk losing him for nothing.....NOTHING is guarenteed with free agency man....FVV also prolly told Masai he was going to resign in Toronto....Which is why he never traded FVV....Ended up leaving for nothing...

Like i said you can SAY he wanted to stay in Toronto but you don't know that 100 percent.....I do understand the supermax....Lol.....I will trust Masai judgement in the situation....He wouldn't have traded him for pennies on the dollar if he could have just held onto him after he signed a long contract with us where he could of extracted more assets for him at a later date if need be.

There were obviously concerns on Masai part that there were in fact legit chances he leaves for nothing in Free agency....There were lots of rumors Siakam was going to leave as well so this is not coming from no where....

Siakam is a Pacer let it be no reason to keep holding onto the past..



I mean think of it logically Masai traded a valuable pick for Poetlt and tried to compete with that team despite being in a prime position to go for Wemby....He tried his best to keep that team together despite the fan base wanting change....Why would he do all that just to want to trade everyone for way cheaper than what he could have if he traded them earlier?....FVV was suppose to resign which never happend...OG wanted out as well....And then Siakam prolly didn't give any indications behind closed doors he was going to sign the contract....So Masai made the moves because he couldn't afford to lose them for nothing....Masai plan was to keep that team together which didn't happen time to move on...

What do you mean by prime position to get Wemby. In order to get Wemby we would’ve needed to win the lottery. We were 8th or 9th place at the time which would’ve given us like a 5% chance to win the lottery. That’s not prime position. Even the worst team in the league aren’t in a prime position. No one is. lol.

I mean if we traded everyone for WAY more assets than what we would have gotten when we held out on it....We would have in fact been in prime position to go for high lotto balls like the Spurs did....We would have had a chance just like everyone else that were trying.....Because we would have traded Siakam/OG/GTJR/FVV all for draft picks and 10000x alot better packages in return for us than what we ultimatly got Which was losing all these guys for Pennies or nothing....

Like i said if you think of it from a logical perspective instead of a homer perspective....Masai clearly tried his best to keep that team together... To go as far to trade assets for Yak to compete when they could of easily just blown it up that year considering we were a below .500 team at the time....Masai prolly got word FVV was going to resign which he bolted.....Why on earth would he hold onto everyone if he was just planning to trade them all on their walk years?...

Masai clearly wanted to keep that team together long term and the players burnt him....Prolly not giving him word they would sign contracts with us which forced Masai hand to trade them at the last minute for pennies on the dollar....Why on earth would he do that if he didn't wanna keep that team together?....

There were never better packages for Pascal and OG. This has been confirmed by numerous sources. Memphis offered us low quality picks for OG in 2022-23. Knicks weren’t parting with IQ. Pascal got bad offers that year and in the offseason was offered AJ Griffin as the centerpiece lol. I’ll take Walter, Ochai and BI for Pascal.

Yeah Masai did want to keep them. But obviously now we can see why. Pascal and OG battled it out in the ECF, Fred helped turn around the Rockets. If Scottie panned out then we’d have a very good team.

The problem is a trade would’ve had to have been made to create a more balanced lineup. But we always had the assets to go out and get better pieces.

[Clutch0z24]

What do you mean by prime position to get Wemby. In order to get Wemby we would’ve needed to win the lottery. We were 8th or 9th place at the time which would’ve given us like a 5% chance to win the lottery. That’s not prime position. Even the worst team in the league aren’t in a prime position. No one is. lol.

I mean if we traded everyone for WAY more assets than what we would have gotten when we held out on it....We would have in fact been in prime position to go for high lotto balls like the Spurs did....We would have had a chance just like everyone else that were trying.....Because we would have traded Siakam/OG/GTJR/FVV all for draft picks and 10000x alot better packages in return for us than what we ultimatly got Which was losing all these guys for Pennies or nothing....

Like i said if you think of it from a logical perspective instead of a homer perspective....Masai clearly tried his best to keep that team together... To go as far to trade assets for Yak to compete when they could of easily just blown it up that year considering we were a below .500 team at the time....Masai prolly got word FVV was going to resign which he bolted.....Why on earth would he hold onto everyone if he was just planning to trade them all on their walk years?...

Masai clearly wanted to keep that team together long term and the players burnt him....Prolly not giving him word they would sign contracts with us which forced Masai hand to trade them at the last minute for pennies on the dollar....Why on earth would he do that if he didn't wanna keep that team together?....

There were never better packages for Pascal and OG. This has been confirmed by numerous sources. Memphis offered us low quality picks for OG in 2022-23. Knicks weren’t parting with IQ. Pascal got bad offers that year and in the offseason was offered AJ Griffin as the centerpiece lol. I’ll take Walter, Ochai and BI for Pascal.

Yeah Masai did want to keep them. But obviously now we can see why. Pascal and OG battled it out in the ECF, Fred helped turn around the Rockets. If Scottie panned out then we’d have a very good team.

The problem is a trade would’ve had to have been made to create a more balanced lineup. But we always had the assets to go out and get better pieces.

We have no idea what we could have gotten had we tried to move them at an earlier date.....I mean these are great players here lets not act like they would have not had any value over the league if we started a bidding war on them sooner....The reason their values were in the gutter was BECAUSE we held them too long and on their walk years where teams were scared to give the farm for a player they wouldn't be able to resign...

But you are missing the point with this convo anyways.....People are trying to say Siakam wanted to stay here long term 100 percent guaranteed....When that is prolly far from the truth considering Masai tried his best to keep these guys together....It was obviously the players behind closed doors who did not want to commit to the team long term which forced Masai hand to trade them at the last minute...

Masai the year we traded for Yak had NO intentions on trading any of these guys....He wanted to keep them all long term and build with them....Which is WHY he never blew the team up at that time and tried to compete with them....If Masai truely didn't want to keep Siakam like some are suggesting here then he wouldn't have held onto him for so long to get pennies on the dollar for him in a trade....

Masai obviously wanted to keep OG/Siakam but they both prolly most likely by looking at it logically wanted out of Toronto at that time...Or didn't give Masai any indications they would sign long term so the trades had to be made...

[ontnut]

Okc in 4 or 5?

That's where I put my money.
OKC just has a counter for everything the Pacers do.

[NinjaBro]

I mean if we traded everyone for WAY more assets than what we would have gotten when we held out on it....We would have in fact been in prime position to go for high lotto balls like the Spurs did....We would have had a chance just like everyone else that were trying.....Because we would have traded Siakam/OG/GTJR/FVV all for draft picks and 10000x alot better packages in return for us than what we ultimatly got Which was losing all these guys for Pennies or nothing....

Like i said if you think of it from a logical perspective instead of a homer perspective....Masai clearly tried his best to keep that team together... To go as far to trade assets for Yak to compete when they could of easily just blown it up that year considering we were a below .500 team at the time....Masai prolly got word FVV was going to resign which he bolted.....Why on earth would he hold onto everyone if he was just planning to trade them all on their walk years?...

Masai clearly wanted to keep that team together long term and the players burnt him....Prolly not giving him word they would sign contracts with us which forced Masai hand to trade them at the last minute for pennies on the dollar....Why on earth would he do that if he didn't wanna keep that team together?....

There were never better packages for Pascal and OG. This has been confirmed by numerous sources. Memphis offered us low quality picks for OG in 2022-23. Knicks weren’t parting with IQ. Pascal got bad offers that year and in the offseason was offered AJ Griffin as the centerpiece lol. I’ll take Walter, Ochai and BI for Pascal.

Yeah Masai did want to keep them. But obviously now we can see why. Pascal and OG battled it out in the ECF, Fred helped turn around the Rockets. If Scottie panned out then we’d have a very good team.

The problem is a trade would’ve had to have been made to create a more balanced lineup. But we always had the assets to go out and get better pieces.

We have no idea what we could have gotten had we tried to move them at an earlier date.....I mean these are great players here lets not act like they would have not had any value over the league if we started a bidding war on them sooner....The reason their values were in the gutter was BECAUSE we held them too long and on their walk years where teams were scared to give the farm for a player they wouldn't be able to resign...

But you are missing the point with this convo anyways.....People are trying to say Siakam wanted to stay here long term 100 percent guaranteed....When that is prolly far from the truth considering Masai tried his best to keep these guys together....It was obviously the players behind closed doors who did not want to commit to the team long term which forced Masai hand to trade them at the last minute...

Masai the year we traded for Yak had NO intentions on trading any of these guys....He wanted to keep them all long term and build with them....Which is WHY he never blew the team up at that time and tried to compete with them....If Masai truely didn't want to keep Siakam like some are suggesting here then he wouldn't have held onto him for so long to get pennies on the dollar for him in a trade....

Masai obviously wanted to keep OG/Siakam but they both prolly most likely by looking at it logically wanted out of Toronto at that time...Or didn't give Masai any indications they would sign long term so the trades had to be made...

Clutch0z24, my man. Just take the L and move on. We offer the supermax to Siakam and he would've stayed, how is this even a debate. Masai and Siakam's relationship got strained because Masai wasn't willing to max him. Stop typing garbage that you don't even believe yourself.

[Tacoma]

Its possible but Masai did try to trade for a player for Siakam to run with....But could never get the deal done.....Like i said at that time the east wasn't as barren as it is this year and how its looking next year as well...In 2022 and beyond the east had legit teams in front of them....Butlers Heat, Embiid Sixers, Tatum/Brown Celtics, Bucks were a legit threat back them times as well with much better team....

The East will be the weakest next year as well that it has been in so long.....People want to fault Masai or certain posters on here that wanted a new direction....They also do not factor in that Siakam/OG/FVV were ALL becoming free agents....FVV Walked in FA, Siakam was going to leave as well had we not traded him as well as OG.....These guys didn't want to stay in Toronto...Thats no fault of Masai....I bet if FVV stays that offseason (Which Masai wanted to do) and OG/Siakam commited for 5 years we would still be running with that team today .....These guys wanted out behind closed doors...

Siakam didn't want out of Toronto. He wanted the supermax.

I mean you can say that now....But there were legit rumors of him wanting to be with the Pacers....OG was basically already a Knick which we all knew....We have no idea how the convos went....But its not out of the relm of possibility that these guys were going to leave in Free agency....Which is why they were traded.....Lets say even if Siakam stayed with this current team Masai has very few options to build a title contender with that.....Pacers while making it to the finals to me are not a legit threat to win the title....I don't think OKC loses this matchup unless something crazy happens like a injury to Shai or Jdub....

At that time there were a whole lotta rumors that they wanted out of Toronto even if it wasn't said in the public eye.....But i will trust Masai judgement there is a reason he made the trades he did....something obviously wasn't going well behind closed doors that us fans were not privied to..

It's absolutely clear Pascal didn't want to leave. Sports Illustrated article HERE. Here's the relevant part:

“Toronto is just all I’ve known — and all I’ve wanted to know,” he told the Players’ Tribune. “I never asked for a trade. Maybe this sounds naive, but I felt I could be one of those dudes who spends his whole career on one team.”

Siakam said he wanted to stay with the Raptors and lead Toronto into its post-championship era. He helped lead the organization to its first championship and the goal was to lead Toronto to its second.

But the Raptors wanted to go in a different direction.

Extension talks weren’t fruitful, and Toronto was ready to pivot into a new era with Scottie Barnes at the helm.

Siakam also said that Masai ignored his attempts to start contract negotiations in the summer. Masai later acknowledged he ghosted Siakam saying it was wrong at a press conference and apologized:

"I think the lines of communication in the summer were not that great." Just because sometimes I don't have answers. And sometimes the answer that I'm giving you is the same answer that I'm going to give you the next time I speak to you. But based on my relationship, Pascal deserved that I even gave him the over-communication, which I didn't, and I apologized to him for it."

[YogurtProducer]

Okc in 4 or 5?

That's where I put my money.
OKC just has a counter for everything the Pacers do.

Yeah this has the potential to be one of the lease competitive finals of all time.

[ontnut]

Okc in 4 or 5?

That's where I put my money.
OKC just has a counter for everything the Pacers do.

Yeah this has the potential to be one of the lease competitive finals of all time.

I think the Pacers only chance to win a game is one game at home, Game 3 or 4. They're going to have to gamble to try and force turnovers so they can get out in transition, which I think opens up their defence in general to OKC's plentiful offense. That might work for one game. The problem is even IF they do get those turnovers, OKC is just so damn fast and athletic that they could get back on D in transition quick enough to at least make those attempts contested - unlike NY.

[Childs]

Watch on YouTube

[NinjaBro]

Watch on YouTube

Retire dat mans jersey!

[Ado05]

Perfect fit on Indiana.

Good for him.

[orbesnet]

So amazing seeing the raw young man develop so much. Love to see.

[mihaic]

Everyone belittles the Pacers about opponent injuries, but Knicks were full strength. So were the Cavs in the last 3 games.

No one belittles OKC but they benefited from Gordon hammy injury, and MPJ playing through injury.

[HiJiNX]

Okc in 4 or 5?

That's where I put my money.
OKC just has a counter for everything the Pacers do.

I think the series will be closer than folks think. OKC wins by playing off their D, but that may not be as easy against Indiana because their O is special. They push the ball every possession which won’t allow OKC’s defence to set up as quickly and the Pacers also have a lot of capable three point shooters. Where the Pacers will struggle is the 5 matchup. And that might determine the series. But it won’t be a cakewalk. If the Pacers can protect the ball then they push it to six, maybe even seven games.

Also, in a close game I am much more comfortable with the Pacers playing in the clutch than I am with OKC.

[HiJiNX]

Very happy for Siakam. I always believed in him.

On draft night I had no idea who he was but when I saw the highlights I said to my brother, “this dude looks better than our lottery pick.” From that point I saw a dude with all-star potential.

Then when we thought we would have to part with one of OG or Siakam in the Kawhi trade, I was in the minority saying we need to keep Siakam at all costs.

After the bubble I didn’t hop off the bandwagon.

And the two seasons after that I tried to defend my boy Siakam at every turn.

And here we are. He’s grown into such an awesome player. He deserves his flowers and I’m glad he’s getting them.

[NinjaBro]

Very happy for Siakam. I always believed in him.

On draft night I had no idea who he was but when I saw the highlights I said to my brother, “this dude looks better than our lottery pick.” From that point I saw a dude with all-star potential.

C'mon now, nobody saw all star from Siakam on draft night. We were hoping for a Reggie Evans or Amir Johnson