Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[traps#10]

Masai will probably trade #9 if Khaman Maluach is off the boards during draft day.

[HumbleRen]

Not sure why the Raptors are after KD when we have Ingram already

What's wrong with that? Don't see why that would be a problem. Both are elite at what they do. Ingram is an elite mid range player, Durant is an elite shot creator and outside shooter.

Redundancy. We would need a PG that could deliver heavy rim pressure beside them.

[HangTime]

Not sure why the Raptors are after KD when we have Ingram already

I think they could work really well together. Not only that, the learning opportunity for everyone (we've got a bunch of sponges on this team), but especially Ingram.

I think 95% of people are just looking at the surface level of "What can KD do for championship level run."

I think it's well worth it, especially if we can hold back #9, and offer an "equivalent" compensation.

[6ixpessant]

Absolutely cooked if we’re giving up the 9th pick for Durant.

If it's a move down... nah. There are going to be 2-3 guys drafted between 12-25 that will be legit. There are a bunch of guys that are going top 10 that will bust.

KD? No thanks. That dude is messed up.

[Clutch0z24]

Doubt Windy says this if its not True....The 9th pick , some combination of the Yak/RJ/IQ have been offered....Yak prolly for sure since thats one of Suns wants in a KD trade....Wonder if contract length is playing a part though since Yak is a free agent soon they will need a commitment from him long term....

[niQ]

Not sure why the Raptors are after KD when we have Ingram already

Ingram and Emergency Ingram.

Maybe we can alternate them so they play 41 games each

Load management Masterclass.

[Shakril]

I don't buy media reports / rumours on the raps. Toronto is one of the most active markets in the world for social media interaction. We literally generate revenue n traction for these pundits. I'll believe it when I see it.

You can take what Windy says as facts....He is connected around the league....He said on Get up the Raptors are shopping these guys along with the 9th pick....I don't think he needs to generate clicks or interaction on a TV show thats american based to talk about Toronto Raptors.

Doesnt mean everything he says is right. In the end it is hearsay. I am not claiming that this are all made up, but in the end we have seen so often that all the reports that came out, where completly wrong suddenly.

[RapsFanInOhio]

This feeling a lot like the last days of the Bryan Colangelo era which led off with the Shaun Marion and Rudy Gay trade....

Right! Shortsightedly chasing immediate improvement rather than seeing a group of young guys progress.

This hasn’t been Masai’s MO - it’s been more of a patient, build from within approach and then striking when the iron is hot. Why the change? The iron is not hot.

This has to be Ed Rogers related.

[Clutch0z24]

I don't buy media reports / rumours on the raps. Toronto is one of the most active markets in the world for social media interaction. We literally generate revenue n traction for these pundits. I'll believe it when I see it.

You can take what Windy says as facts....He is connected around the league....He said on Get up the Raptors are shopping these guys along with the 9th pick....I don't think he needs to generate clicks or interaction on a TV show thats american based to talk about Toronto Raptors.

Doesnt mean everything he says is right. In the end it is hearsay. I am not claiming that this are all made up, but in the end we have seen so often that all the reports that came out, where completly wrong suddenly.

Yeah but these guys are so well connected they would not say it on national TV if it were false....It would ruin their credibility if they do that and i doubt they would put out fake news like that if they have not got it from a source they trust to be fact....

[6ixpessant]

This feeling a lot like the last days of the Bryan Colangelo era which led off with the Shaun Marion and Rudy Gay trade....

Right! Shortsightedly chasing immediate improvement rather than seeing a group of young guys progress.

This hasn’t been Masai’s MO - it’s been more of a patient, build from within approach and then striking when the iron is hot. Why the change? The iron is not hot.

This has to be Ed Rogers related.

2019, we already have the case study. There are guys available that we don't know about. No one said anything about Bane.

[Raptors Realtor]

Spurs not willing to offer the #2 Pick, Rockets do not have a starting level C to offer (Sounds like Sengun is off the table and are offering Green instead), Miami prolly offering Wiggins/Ware....

We prolly are offering the highest pick at 9 in the trade, And giving them a good C in Yak and prolly IQ i would imagine....RJ will be used in another move....

We will see if we get KD because forsure alot of the offers are already On the table and Suns just need to pick the one to accept.

If we trade Poeltl, IQ and #9 for 37 year old Durant, that'll be a big mistake.

[DreamTeam09]

I don't buy media reports / rumours on the raps. Toronto is one of the most active markets in the world for social media interaction. We literally generate revenue n traction for these pundits. I'll believe it when I see it.

You can take what Windy says as facts....He is connected around the league....He said on Get up the Raptors are shopping these guys along with the 9th pick....I don't think he needs to generate clicks or interaction on a TV show thats american based to talk about Toronto Raptors.

Still we do t know his biases, his allegiances, his friends or his enemies / Also a lot of these guys make up their own assumptions

Toronto, not really tanking, and have a 9th pick in a flat draft, doesn't take a rocket sciencetist to say Toronto could look to move it / again I take all these guys with a grain of salt

[anotherhomer]

This feeling a lot like the last days of the Bryan Colangelo era which led off with the Shaun Marion and Rudy Gay trade....

Right! Shortsightedly chasing immediate improvement rather than seeing a group of young guys progress.

This hasn’t been Masai’s MO - it’s been more of a patient, build from within approach and then striking when the iron is hot. Why the change? The iron is not hot.

This has to be Ed Rogers related.

totally.....they saw Leafs not go for it, and Brendan Shanan got fired, so Raps need to go for it!!

[ArthurVandelay]

At this point I can only hope Raptors are acting as a third team with KD going to Miami. Ware and Jovic coming to Toronto would make me happy.

[ash_k]

You look at the top30 scorers in the league (RJ at 27)
Who is that "significant" upgrade (and available)? Even a Jaylen Brown (off the knee surgery), is he really a "significant upgrade"?

[6ixpessant]

I don't buy media reports / rumours on the raps. Toronto is one of the most active markets in the world for social media interaction. We literally generate revenue n traction for these pundits. I'll believe it when I see it.

You can take what Windy says as facts....He is connected around the league....He said on Get up the Raptors are shopping these guys along with the 9th pick....I don't think he needs to generate clicks or interaction on a TV show thats american based to talk about Toronto Raptors.

Still we do t know his biases, his allegiances, his friends or his enemies / Also a lot of these guys make up their own assumptions

Toronto, not really tanking, and have a 9th pick in a flat draft, doesn't take a rocket sciencetist to say Toronto could look to move it / again I take all these guys with a grain of salt

Why are you guys analyzing a guy that peddles rumors? He's not a journalist. Wind and Shams... they peddle crap and really don't know anything. They wait for the NBA office to leak a trade that comes in.

[DreamTeam09]

You can take what Windy says as facts....He is connected around the league....He said on Get up the Raptors are shopping these guys along with the 9th pick....I don't think he needs to generate clicks or interaction on a TV show thats american based to talk about Toronto Raptors.

Doesnt mean everything he says is right. In the end it is hearsay. I am not claiming that this are all made up, but in the end we have seen so often that all the reports that came out, where completly wrong suddenly.

Yeah but these guys are so well connected they would not say it on national TV if it were false....It would ruin their credibility if they do that and i doubt they would put out fake news like that if they have not got it from a source they trust to be fact....

How would it ruin their credibility, it's not like a GM usually comes out and says otherwise publicly regardless. We've heard Masai/Bobby/Darkos say Scottie is franchise and then say reports say he's available for Giannis / who's right who's wrong, who knows

[kalel123]

Stink of desperation is in the air and this is even before they try out the newly added piece in Ingram. Too bad it wasn't there early enough when s#!t hit the fan with previous core.

Feels less like 2018-2019 and more like Colangelo.

[sidsid]

IQ being moved would actually surprise me - feels like his value is at an all-time low and is only going to improve especially with his contact being flat.

I get this, but in terms of salary matching in a big trade like Durant, what would most teams prefer?

A pull-up 3pt shooter PG with gravity, or slashing usage needing guard (both options not known as defenders)?

In this case, we don't have any significant salary on expirings, so the cost isn't really impacting the Suns in this trade. If they do want a prospect piece, they have other, smaller contracts to do a seperate trade with (e.g. adding Grady to a separate trade).

Jak is gone either way. If I had to guess, on top of the prospect/pick haggling, Masai is trying to force RJ in this deal over IQ.

I think #9 is gone either way (not crazy about that but I guess thats the only way we are in this convo). Not Poeltl. I don't think you can risk both with no centre.

Look at the teams and the rumours about what's in the ask.

Minnesota -> Gobert
Miami -> Ware
Knicks -> KAT
Toronto -> Jak

The only teams that are in the mix without that being the lead piece of negotiations is the Rockets because they have the Suns picks. And the Spurs are in because KD wants them on the list and they have Rockets-like juicy future picks to provide.

The Rockets want a C in the deal or their own picks back instead.

[Clutch0z24]

You can take what Windy says as facts....He is connected around the league....He said on Get up the Raptors are shopping these guys along with the 9th pick....I don't think he needs to generate clicks or interaction on a TV show thats american based to talk about Toronto Raptors.

Still we do t know his biases, his allegiances, his friends or his enemies / Also a lot of these guys make up their own assumptions

Toronto, not really tanking, and have a 9th pick in a flat draft, doesn't take a rocket sciencetist to say Toronto could look to move it / again I take all these guys with a grain of salt

Why are you guys analyzing a guy that peddles rumors? He's not a journalist. Wind and Shams... they peddle crap and really don't know anything.

Lol....Same thing was said about Woj when weeks before Kawhi went to the Clippers Woj was saying on TV "Kawhi is going to the Clippers"....Every Raptor poster here was calling Woj a fraud and he doesn't know nothing and he is just putting out fake news.....When the news comes out about something YOU personally hate or don't want to see happen you call them frauds or fake news....When the news is about something YOU personally agree with or want to happen you take these guys words as gospel...