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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#61 » by EastonEddy » Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:59 pm

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ItsDanger wrote:What were people watching? Siakam just didn't have it. Only Mathurin showed up in 4th. 25 turnovers and OKC bricked a ton of shots. Lucky they didn't win by 30.


What were you watching? Siakam was inexplicably benched for like 8 minutes in the second half which is when the game got out of control.

Carlisle decided to stick Pascal in a corner and spam TJ isos the rest of the time.

You cannot make an impact on the game offensively if the coach won't involve you. You cannot make an impact defensively if the your guards just keep committing TOs and letting OKC out on fast breaks. By the time they looked to get Pascal involved they were already well behind and the momentum was against them.

Siakam had a spectacular playoffs but today the Indy guards got wrecked by OKC and that was the story of the game.

He shot an airball with Caruso doing nothing more than putting a hand up, he went 5-13 while TJ went 8-13. Maybe there's a reason that they weren't going to him.

I don't understand how people can be Raps fans and still not grasp that Siakam is not a primary option without a supporting player to take the majority of the defensive pressure off him. He is an opportunistic scorer, always has been, we've all known this for years. He has strengths, forcing ISOs is not one of them, and with Hali out they don't have someone to feed him high % chances.

How is any of this new to Raps fans.....

Also he played 37min, crazy thought, but maybe they sat him to give him a solid rest to play the rest of the game, what a concept right?


I cannot believe you are still harping on Pascals 3PT shooting after declaring him the worst shooter in history or whatever it was... man do you feel no shame lol.

Honest question for you. Did you watch the game? TJ made some shots but he turned the ball over 7 times and struggled to get the Pacers into their offensive sets. He had two consecutive TOs early in the 3rd which contributed to a 9 point run the Pacers never recovered from. You cannot have 7 TOs from your back up PG and expect success in a tight G7 Finals game.

Pascals only shot after getting frozen out by Carlisle in the 3rd was a desperation heave at the buzzer I believe. By that time the game was getting out of reach. It's G7 Pascal is in incredible shape he needed to play more.

To respond to your last paragraph I don't understand how people can be Raptor fans and consistently diminish Pascals game after his contributions to our championship, the success we shared with him and the great sports story he is.

The defining feature of this Pacers team is that they were a true team and whoever was the hot hand on any given night could be the star. It just so happened, on most nights, that Pascal was that star. That is why he is their leading scorer, only All-Star, the ECFMVP and likely would have been FMVP if they won.

If the Pacers had won this game and Siakam got FMVP would you still be in here today arguing he is a second option? Probably not because it would be look ludicrous... But winning or losing one game, especially G7 of the Finals, doesn't change who you are as a player or your role on a team. Just something to think about.

Maybe we should focus on the fact that Siakam was arguably the best player for two years on a team that made the ECF and Finals instead of trying to peg him as a second option and diminish him.

What made the Pacers great was they were a true team and completely unselfish. So even trying to argue some rigid hierarchy exists on offense completely misses the point of this team and why they were special. Because on any night any player was featured.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#62 » by Cyrus » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:06 pm

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0-4 and 3 turnovers in 20 minutes.


Indy needs a better option the Toppin as the #3 man. He's fine as your 5th/6th guy. They should trade us their 2026 first rounder unprotected ofcourse for RJ! :wink:

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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#63 » by YogurtProducer » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:12 pm

HumbleRen wrote:Not too shocked. Nearly 80% of his baskets are assisted. Once the fast paced tempo is gone, OKC can neutralize him from getting to his spots.
He averaged more in the finals in the 2019 year than this year lol.

He averaged 19.8ppg in 40mpg in 2019
He averaged 19.3ppg in 32mpg in 2025

Like... technically you are right but also it is very misleading.

Y'all agendas against Siakam is so **** weird
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#64 » by HiJiNX » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:18 pm

This thread is further proof that a lot of posters on this board let their agendas blind them from real basketball analysis. Well, that’s the generous way to put it. And because I’m a mod I won’t express the non-generous way to put it.

But ultimately, when you put your agenda and need to be right ahead of analysis based on facts and context it significantly lowers your credibility as a poster. Something to think about.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#65 » by StopitLeo » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:19 pm

I'm disappointed Pascal wasn't more assertive trying to score but maybe that's not his fault without Haliburton. McConnell and Nembhard leave a lot to be desired as playmakers. It seems like McConnell's scoring got in his head because he really didn't look to get others involved. TJ drove the ball A LOT the last few games with very few assists to show for it. Granted, he was able to score but that doesn't get other guys going and you need to consistently have multiple threats that the defense needs to respect.

TBH, I think the Pacers were a bit of a "sum greater than the parts" team. Neither Haliburton nor Pascal are MVP level players so I felt the likelihood of them making the Finals, let alone winning, was always pretty low.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#66 » by Nebuchadnezzar » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:21 pm

Thread should really read - Pacers lose title because they fail to get Pascal the ball.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#67 » by HiJiNX » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:27 pm

Mattatron wrote:Some folks compared Siakam to Kevin Garnett couple weeks ago lmaooo

What did Garnett do before he was a third option defensive specialist with the Celtics?

Obviously Garnett was a great player and better than Pascal, but he gets mythologized too much. He had significant limitations as a half-court scorer. More than the current version of Pascal to be honest. But he’s better than Siakam in terms of overall impact for sure.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#68 » by HiJiNX » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:29 pm

Boogie! wrote:Indiana was a huge underdog this series and it’s amazing they even took it to 7. Pascal isn’t even a feature in the offense, they run heavily through their guards. Did they iso him every possession like he was kawhi? If not I’m not sure why everyone is hating.

They’re still mad about the bubble is my guess. Who they should actually be mad at is Nurse for bungling that Boston series, especially Game 7, so badly.

Or be mad at the org throwing Siakam under the bus for two years before trading him.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#69 » by Troubadour » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:40 pm

Nebuchadnezzar wrote:Thread should really read - Pacers lose title because they fail to get Pascal the ball.


Didn't play him enough or get him touches. PG can turn the ball over seven times and then ask why the scoring wing didn't shoot the ball.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#70 » by TorontoBarneys » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:45 pm

Raptorfan2012 wrote:I don’t want to hear about that Pascal trade ever again. Raptors moving on.


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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#71 » by EastonEddy » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:46 pm

Nebuchadnezzar wrote:Thread should really read - Pacers lose title because they fail to get Pascal the ball.


Same story as G4.

Same story as Boston series last year when Hali went down.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#72 » by HumbleRen » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:54 pm

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HumbleRen wrote:Not too shocked. Nearly 80% of his baskets are assisted. Once the fast paced tempo is gone, OKC can neutralize him from getting to his spots.
He averaged more in the finals in the 2019 year than this year lol.

He averaged 19.8ppg in 40mpg in 2019
He averaged 19.3ppg in 32mpg in 2025

Like... technically you are right but also it is very misleading.

Y'all agendas against Siakam is so **** weird


16 points in a game 7 and I’m hearing all excuses as to why he didn’t show up.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#73 » by tdotrep2 » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:59 pm

Pascal is a great players, let's not do this. This is like team tank vs team compete throwing shots. Yes, a lot of team compete were throwing it in everyone's faces, but you can still respect and appreciate siakam. It was still the right move for the team at the time.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#74 » by Scase » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:02 pm

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What were you watching? Siakam was inexplicably benched for like 8 minutes in the second half which is when the game got out of control.

Carlisle decided to stick Pascal in a corner and spam TJ isos the rest of the time.

You cannot make an impact on the game offensively if the coach won't involve you. You cannot make an impact defensively if the your guards just keep committing TOs and letting OKC out on fast breaks. By the time they looked to get Pascal involved they were already well behind and the momentum was against them.

Siakam had a spectacular playoffs but today the Indy guards got wrecked by OKC and that was the story of the game.

He shot an airball with Caruso doing nothing more than putting a hand up, he went 5-13 while TJ went 8-13. Maybe there's a reason that they weren't going to him.

I don't understand how people can be Raps fans and still not grasp that Siakam is not a primary option without a supporting player to take the majority of the defensive pressure off him. He is an opportunistic scorer, always has been, we've all known this for years. He has strengths, forcing ISOs is not one of them, and with Hali out they don't have someone to feed him high % chances.

How is any of this new to Raps fans.....

Also he played 37min, crazy thought, but maybe they sat him to give him a solid rest to play the rest of the game, what a concept right?


I cannot believe you are still harping on Pascals 3PT shooting after declaring him the worst shooter in history or whatever it was... man do you feel no shame lol.

Do you have difficulties reading or something? Where in that entire post did I mention anything in regard to his 3PT shooting? I wasn't even being negative about him, just simply making objective statements. No one should ever confuse him with a 1st option, he is best served as a 2nd option, he lost his 1st option and then he struggled as he has over the years.

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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#75 » by ForeverTFC » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:08 pm

I don't think they were ignoring him. With Haliburton gone, they were able to zero in on Siakam. We know better than any other fan base what happens when a team of long defenders is focused on closing all the gaps Siakam likes to attack.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#76 » by ItsDanger » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:18 pm

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Mattatron wrote:Some folks compared Siakam to Kevin Garnett couple weeks ago lmaooo

What did Garnett do before he was a third option defensive specialist with the Celtics?

Obviously Garnett was a great player and better than Pascal, but he gets mythologized too much. He had significant limitations as a half-court scorer. More than the current version of Pascal to be honest. But he’s better than Siakam in terms of overall impact for sure.

Kevin Garnett's defensive ability alone puts him way above Siakam. Way above.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#77 » by Scase » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:23 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:I don't think they were ignoring him. With Haliburton gone, they were able to zero in on Siakam. We know better than any other fan base what happens when a team of long defenders is focused on closing all the gaps Siakam likes to attack.

This is precisely it, I don't know why people are so surprised or upset. He didn't do anything wrong, it's just a position he is not suited for, we saw this for years and years.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#78 » by HumbleRen » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:27 pm

Scase wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:I don't think they were ignoring him. With Haliburton gone, they were able to zero in on Siakam. We know better than any other fan base what happens when a team of long defenders is focused on closing all the gaps Siakam likes to attack.

This is precisely it, I don't know why people are so surprised or upset. He didn't do anything wrong, it's just a position he is not suited for, we saw this for years and years.


People think an all time great coach and their players are willingly ignoring Siakam and somehow made it to the finals to a game 7 by doing that the entire way.

News flash, entry posts are hard as hell lol. This ain’t NBA2K.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#79 » by Agimat » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:56 pm

Mad respect to Siakam for the season he had with the Pacers. He played a huge role in making them real contenders and giving OKC a serious challenge and they honestly had a real shot of beating them but y'know it is what it is. Pacers wouldn’t have gotten as far as they did without him.
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Re: Game 7 NBA Finals - Pascal scores 3pts in the second half 

Post#80 » by Mattatron » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:58 pm

HiJiNX wrote:
Mattatron wrote:Some folks compared Siakam to Kevin Garnett couple weeks ago lmaooo

What did Garnett do before he was a third option defensive specialist with the Celtics?

Obviously Garnett was a great player and better than Pascal, but he gets mythologized too much. He had significant limitations as a half-court scorer. More than the current version of Pascal to be honest. But he’s better than Siakam in terms of overall impact for sure.



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