Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley

[pingpongrac]

Per 100 is usually a more "respected" projection stat, per36 is not a great indicator. But overall his defence has been pretty crappy, he's overpaid until he proves otherwise.

per 36 is fine for starters imo. its not great for bench players obviously. we held down IQ's minutes last year in our half ass attempt to tank

Per 36 would suggest him taking 17FGA based on this year, that is beyond absurd, he will never do that his entire career. It also assumes the player takes a massive step in volume while maintaining exactly the same efficiency, which I'm sure I don't need to tell you how stupid that is lol.

IQ will never put up 22/5/8 on 57% TS% lol. IQ is not bad, he is overpaid for what we have received.

per36 suggesting IQ taking 17 FGA in 36 minutes is "absurd" but 23 FGA in 100 possessions isn't? They're both projection stats that give you an idea what a player is capable of if their minutes/usage are ramped up a bit. If one is absurd, so is the other lol. The reality is IQ has averaged 18/4/6 on 57 TS% in ~30 MPG as a Raptor despite some rust/injuries and cold stretches. His "bad" defence is being blown out of proportion as we've seen him be a good/impactful defender in New York and he has the tools to be an above average defender at his position. The fact that he has played most of his minutes in Toronto with a combination of inexperienced players while also playing through injury/working off rust in large chunks of his ~70 games is likely playing a pretty big role in how he has looked on that end.

He's a guy that can probably give you 20/5/5 type numbers on high three-point volume at a well-above average conversion rate as the 3rd option while being a solid defender. 32.5M in the current NBA landscape has IQ outside of the top 50 most paid players while he'll probably be closer to 100 by the end of his contract. Pretty good for a guy heading into his prime that has an elite skill (three-point shooting) and can put up points in a hurry while not giving away points on the other end.

[Tripod]

Yes I think we can do much better than IQ and I'm not a fan of his contract.

Don’t know why people are so low on IQ.
He actually played pretty well after returning from a major injury.

Give him a full season before giving up on him.

I think he’ll excel as that 3rd guy. Ingram and Scottie will create a lot of wide open spot up opportunities for him.

Because some people are idiots

[TimeForChange]

RJ for Deandre Ayton wouldn’t surprise me.

what is portland doing with RJ? Does he come off the bench?

If so, he can just come off the bench here

[Scase]

per 36 is fine for starters imo. its not great for bench players obviously. we held down IQ's minutes last year in our half ass attempt to tank

Per 36 would suggest him taking 17FGA based on this year, that is beyond absurd, he will never do that his entire career. It also assumes the player takes a massive step in volume while maintaining exactly the same efficiency, which I'm sure I don't need to tell you how stupid that is lol.

IQ will never put up 22/5/8 on 57% TS% lol. IQ is not bad, he is overpaid for what we have received.

per36 suggesting IQ taking 17 FGA in 36 minutes is "absurd" but 23 FGA in 100 possessions isn't? They're both projection stats that give you an idea what a player is capable of if their minutes/usage are ramped up a bit. If one is absurd, so is the other lol. The reality is IQ has averaged 18/4/6 on 57 TS% in ~30 MPG as a Raptor despite some rust/injuries and cold stretches. His "bad" defence is being blown out of proportion as we've seen him be a good/impactful defender in New York and he has the tools to be an above average defender at his position. The fact that he has played most of his minutes in Toronto with a combination of inexperienced players while also playing through injury/working off rust in large chunks of his ~70 game is likely playing a pretty big role in how he has looked on that end.

He's a guy that can probably give you 20/5/5 type numbers on high three-point volume at a well-above average conversion rate as the 3rd option while being a solid defender. 32.5M in the current NBA landscape has IQ outside of the top 50 most paid players while he'll probably be closer to 100 by the end of his contract. Pretty good for a guy heading into his prime that has an elite skill (three-point shooting) and can put up points in a hurry while not giving away points on the other good.

Per 100 is standardized based on possessions, per 36 is the assumption everything scales linearly.

And as for his offence/defence discussion, we get to use the small sample size for his beneficial offence, but his bad defence is just waved away? Where his salary falls doesn't matter relative t other players, it's relative to the production we get from him, then it is compared to other players. IQ is not a good contract, I also don't think it's a bad contract, it is however slightly overpaid.

[S.W.A.N]

Ayton is not happening that is crazy talk.

That we are shopping RJ and IQ still is not a shock.

Seems pretty clear that ownership has given a win now mandate. And that Masai was basically fired a month ago. Thus all the RJ and IQ talks of the last month were not related to Masai trying to keep his job.

I still think a Cam Johnson plus another good player for RJ is the best option. 3 team deal.

rj for ayton is not outside the realm of possibility. Portland will be shopping ayton and we could use another center. Also like humble mentioned he is an expiring. I do think they will explore options like cam first but this is not crazy talk

Ayton is crazy overpaid. That is only happening if Portland adds serious additional assets. And you can't do a straight RJ for Ayton trade. The salaries don't match. So it would be RJ and Ochai... GTFO if you think that is a fair trade.

If you are looking at portland look at Timelord.

[Brinbe]

IQ put together some decent outings when he had that healthy stretch of games but nothing that would really justify the salary. As is, don't think IQ will garner much interest with that deal in this CBA climate. RJ, who knows? Ideally you package both together for an upgrade at PG or C but it isn't really that simple.

But it's not hard to understand why they'd be looking to move both out considering the direction the FO seemingly wanna take the team.

[Godaddycurse]

Revisiting Brooklyn idea:

RJ + 2026 1st for Cam Johnson + Danny Wolf?

[pingpongrac]

Per 36 would suggest him taking 17FGA based on this year, that is beyond absurd, he will never do that his entire career. It also assumes the player takes a massive step in volume while maintaining exactly the same efficiency, which I'm sure I don't need to tell you how stupid that is lol.

IQ will never put up 22/5/8 on 57% TS% lol. IQ is not bad, he is overpaid for what we have received.

per36 suggesting IQ taking 17 FGA in 36 minutes is "absurd" but 23 FGA in 100 possessions isn't? They're both projection stats that give you an idea what a player is capable of if their minutes/usage are ramped up a bit. If one is absurd, so is the other lol. The reality is IQ has averaged 18/4/6 on 57 TS% in ~30 MPG as a Raptor despite some rust/injuries and cold stretches. His "bad" defence is being blown out of proportion as we've seen him be a good/impactful defender in New York and he has the tools to be an above average defender at his position. The fact that he has played most of his minutes in Toronto with a combination of inexperienced players while also playing through injury/working off rust in large chunks of his ~70 game is likely playing a pretty big role in how he has looked on that end.

He's a guy that can probably give you 20/5/5 type numbers on high three-point volume at a well-above average conversion rate as the 3rd option while being a solid defender. 32.5M in the current NBA landscape has IQ outside of the top 50 most paid players while he'll probably be closer to 100 by the end of his contract. Pretty good for a guy heading into his prime that has an elite skill (three-point shooting) and can put up points in a hurry while not giving away points on the other good.

Per 100 is standardized based on possessions, per 36 is the assumption everything scales linearly.

And as for his offence/defence discussion, we get to use the small sample size for his beneficial offence, but his bad defence is just waved away? Where his salary falls doesn't matter relative t other players, it's relative to the production we get from him, then it is compared to other players. IQ is not a good contract, I also don't think it's a bad contract, it is however slightly overpaid.

Per36 is an assumption everything scales linearly, but it is quite literally no different in this sense where per100 is essentially scaling up IQ's opportunity/numbers by ~50%. IQ is never going to play 100 possessions in a regulation game whereas he will play ~36 MPG quite frequently when we're actually trying to win this upcoming season and beyond.

I'm not using the small sample size for his benefit on the offensive end. He has generally been producing at a comparable level to what he did in New York (slightly higher scoring on identical efficiency, similar REB/STL/BLK, etc.), but he has been given more opportunity to create for others with the ball and he has excelled (AST% increased by 11% while his TOV only increased by 1%) and that is with him not being at his best or healthiest. There is probably more that he can give us on the offensive end considering we've seen him put together some good stretches when available for extended periods of time; 21/5/5 on 44/40/84 shooting splits in 11 straight games of ~30 MPG this past season and 21/6/8 on 46/42/78 shooting splits in 10 straight games of ~36 MPG in 2024 gives me hope that he is capable of more than what we've seen overall thus far.

[DelAbbot]

Something tells me Bobby didn't like the OG return.

People do realize that bobby has been the gm for years right? He’s the guy making these trades not masai…

Nah only the good moves were Masai, all the bad ones were Bobby.

Have we had any good trades of starter level players or above recently?

[Scase]

People do realize that bobby has been the gm for years right? He’s the guy making these trades not masai…

Nah only the good moves were Masai, all the bad ones were Bobby.

Have we had any good trades of starter level players or above recently?

Depends on when "recently" starts IMO.

[Tripod]

People do realize that bobby has been the gm for years right? He’s the guy making these trades not masai…

Nah only the good moves were Masai, all the bad ones were Bobby.

Have we had any good trades of starter level players or above recently?

Nope.

IQ, RJ, Yak and BI are all bench players

[DelAbbot]

Nah only the good moves were Masai, all the bad ones were Bobby.

Have we had any good trades of starter level players or above recently?

Nope.

IQ, RJ, Yak and BI are all bench players

IQ, RJ and Yak are all poor trades. BI trade is TBD

[Godaddycurse]

Have we had any good trades of starter level players or above recently?

Nope.

IQ, RJ, Yak and BI are all bench players

IQ, RJ and Yak are all poor trades. BI trade is TBD

Agbaji should be a starter but RJ is blocking him..

[Yeezus_]

Have we had any good trades of starter level players or above recently?

Nope.

IQ, RJ, Yak and BI are all bench players

IQ, RJ and Yak are all poor trades. BI trade is TBD

Ochai

[sidsid]

I think we'd settle for some cap flexibility for RJ. We saw last year that between RJ and an extra 12 or so million in expiring money, the Pels prefered having nothing over adding him to their roster.

It may just not be out there for him unless we sweeten the deal. The Patrick Williams contract dump is out there, but feels like that deal would have been made already if 12 was on the table at the draft. And that would have been a perfect pick to send to Dumars for that Pels/Bucks lotto pick next year.

Don't actually know what we're looking for with IQ other than a straight upgrade.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

How does it work that we were trying to move the pick and we still didn’t take advantage of Dumars. That future 1st would have been a great asset.

[Potential]

We need to find a way to get a team to send us an unprotected 1st for next season

[Raptorfan2012]

I want to see what a healthy IQ can do with Scottie and Ingram; no need to trade him yet.

[RaptorPride]

His contract gets better and will be well worth it by year 3 onwards

It gets better but I don't think its worth it for a 6th man typa guy. And I don't see him as a starting PG that's gonna lead us anywhere.

he averaged 20/7/5 per 36 on above avg efficiency. good impact stats last year offensively. He's fine as a starting PG. Not a star but a fine starter

I rather him start as out SG than PG. Not a fan of him being our lead PG.

[RaptorPride]

Don’t know why people are so low on IQ.
He actually played pretty well after returning from a major injury.

Give him a full season before giving up on him.

I think he’ll excel as that 3rd guy. Ingram and Scottie will create a lot of wide open spot up opportunities for him.

I rather Barnes start at PG than him.

Barnes
IQ
Ochai
Ingram
Poeltl

I’m fine with that. Or we move RJ for a 3&D SF/PF.

I much rather this than IQ at PG. I would still look to trade him but this is much better for me.