Shams: The Clippers, Jazz and Heat have agreed to a trade Norman Powell, John Collins and Kevin Love

[Pointgod]

Jazz got rid of all the vets and are all in on Cam Boozer now lol
they need lotto luck still

Yet if they get Peterson, Dybansta or Boozer their fortunes immediately change

[TGM]

Clipps didn't want to pay Norm next yr?

Clips probably have a verbal with Beal. So moving Norm made sense to get more positional balance.

[ConSarnit]

It’s funny how media views Norm as a low risk trade and a guy who brings a level of scoring Miami desperately needs (I agree with this assessment btw), but the Raptors bringing in BI was the worst thing, even though we also needed his skill set offensively pretty badly and we gave up very little to get him as well. Oh and BI is a MUCH better player than Norm. Oh and we didn’t lose BI to free agency because we gave him a contract right away and he didn’t hurt our tank bc he didn’t play. Injury is the only issue and even 50 games of BI is probably better than a whole season of Norm (and Norm most likely would not play the whole season).

And this is all because we are viewed as a tanking/rebuilding team and Miami isn’t. Which is funny because Miami lost their best player in Jimmy just like we did in Pascal and if we did not actively sit players to tank and we were much more healthy throughout the season we would have been in the play-in right alongside Miami lol. Miami is the type of team that most people would consider “treadmill” and would say they should tank instead of being buyers. I guess those things are only said about the Raptors lol

The Miami Heat are a premier free agent or trade destination team. They are one of the very few teams who do not need to tear it all down to rebuild because stars will actively seek out playing there. The Heat can afford to “treadmill” because eventually some star will show up. Stars are not showing up for us.

[PushDaRock]

The Clippers are just lining up contracts to expire with Kawhi in 2 years. Surprised they didn't look for a 2 year deal someone was looking to offload to get some extra juice in the trade. Maybe nothing out there outside of RJ.

Miami is looking for the exact same cap space play as the Clippers are. They shave some salary for next year, unless they're looking at re-signing him? Pretty small price to pay regardless.

Powell and Collins are basically on the same deal so I doubt it was money related. They were probably just balancing the roster out. They have a bigger need for frontcourt players than guards.

All the players in this deal are on expiring's, except for Anderson who has non guaranteed money next year.

Yeah, I see that it's just a positional play for the Clippers. The end result is they won't be re-signing anyone more than on a 1 year regardless. I just thought they'd be looking for more future value, but it's probably not there, or attached to uselessness.

Funny thing is my recommended offseason moves for the Thunder to stay out of the tax next year would have worked with Norm, assuming the Bucks are trying to do something for Giannis.

- Norm to Thunder consolidation trade/cap move
- Joe/Wiggins to Bucks depth/youth move
- Kuzma to Clips. 2 year garbage contract at position fitting the plan. Some minor picks for the trouble.

That would have made absolutely no sense for the Clippers. Get the worst player in the deal with more term for some SRP's? Why wouldn't they have just traded for Joe and Wiggins themselves instead? lol

[NinjaBro]

Masai did Norm dirty smh. Powell should've been a home grown success story that stayed with us and retired a raptor, champion and legend. Instead he gets bounced around the league.

[brownbobcat]

Masai did Norm dirty smh. Powell should've been a home grown success story that stayed with us and retired a raptor, champion and legend. Instead he gets bounced around the league.

He got to play in his hometown of LA and now headed off to South Beach. We should all be so lucky to be done dirty that way.

[ishoy123]

Masai did Norm dirty smh. Powell should've been a home grown success story that stayed with us and retired a raptor, champion and legend. Instead he gets bounced around the league.

Y'all would have been upset that he was ruining our tank

[Los_29]

It’s funny how media views Norm as a low risk trade and a guy who brings a level of scoring Miami desperately needs (I agree with this assessment btw), but the Raptors bringing in BI was the worst thing, even though we also needed his skill set offensively pretty badly and we gave up very little to get him as well. Oh and BI is a MUCH better player than Norm. Oh and we didn’t lose BI to free agency because we gave him a contract right away and he didn’t hurt our tank bc he didn’t play. Injury is the only issue and even 50 games of BI is probably better than a whole season of Norm (and Norm most likely would not play the whole season).

And this is all because we are viewed as a tanking/rebuilding team and Miami isn’t. Which is funny because Miami lost their best player in Jimmy just like we did in Pascal and if we did not actively sit players to tank and we were much more healthy throughout the season we would have been in the play-in right alongside Miami lol. Miami is the type of team that most people would consider “treadmill” and would say they should tank instead of being buyers. I guess those things are only said about the Raptors lol

The Miami Heat are a premier free agent or trade destination team. They are one of the very few teams who do not need to tear it all down to rebuild because stars will actively seek out playing there. The Heat can afford to “treadmill” because eventually some star will show up. Stars are not showing up for us.

When was the last time they got a big free agent?

[ratul]

Was a mistake to trade norm god and the bench mob

[Kingsway_fan]

It’s funny how media views Norm as a low risk trade and a guy who brings a level of scoring Miami desperately needs (I agree with this assessment btw), but the Raptors bringing in BI was the worst thing, even though we also needed his skill set offensively pretty badly and we gave up very little to get him as well. Oh and BI is a MUCH better player than Norm. Oh and we didn’t lose BI to free agency because we gave him a contract right away and he didn’t hurt our tank bc he didn’t play. Injury is the only issue and even 50 games of BI is probably better than a whole season of Norm (and Norm most likely would not play the whole season).

And this is all because we are viewed as a tanking/rebuilding team and Miami isn’t. Which is funny because Miami lost their best player in Jimmy just like we did in Pascal and if we did not actively sit players to tank and we were much more healthy throughout the season we would have been in the play-in right alongside Miami lol. Miami is the type of team that most people would consider “treadmill” and would say they should tank instead of being buyers. I guess those things are only said about the Raptors lol

The Miami Heat are a premier free agent or trade destination team. They are one of the very few teams who do not need to tear it all down to rebuild because stars will actively seek out playing there. The Heat can afford to “treadmill” because eventually some star will show up. Stars are not showing up for us.

When was the last time they got a big free agent?

Bosh, Lebron Butler...

[Los_29]

The Miami Heat are a premier free agent or trade destination team. They are one of the very few teams who do not need to tear it all down to rebuild because stars will actively seek out playing there. The Heat can afford to “treadmill” because eventually some star will show up. Stars are not showing up for us.

When was the last time they got a big free agent?

Bosh, Lebron Butler...

Exactly. It doesn’t happen often and Butler would have never been considered a top 5 player at any time in his career. Miami has struck out a lot in free agency. Butler also chose to go to Miami because of the team’s culture and the fact it had good pieces already in place. Obviously the weather didn’t hurt either.

[OhCanada]

I always thought norm was a decent defender, why people saying he can’t defend?

People will say anything on this board.

[Los_29]

I always thought norm was a decent defender, why people saying he can’t defend?

People will say anything on this board.

That's one of the main reasons why Nurse didn't want to keep him. It was his defense.

Norm is not a good defensive player. If he was he wouldn't be getting shipped around for peanuts every couple of years. He's still a valuable player though. He can knock down shots at a very efficient clip. Miami is a better team because of him.

[Raptorfan2012]

My guess is Love goes to LA probably to play with Lebron one more time.

[OakleyDokely]

It’s funny how media views Norm as a low risk trade and a guy who brings a level of scoring Miami desperately needs (I agree with this assessment btw), but the Raptors bringing in BI was the worst thing, even though we also needed his skill set offensively pretty badly and we gave up very little to get him as well. Oh and BI is a MUCH better player than Norm. Oh and we didn’t lose BI to free agency because we gave him a contract right away and he didn’t hurt our tank bc he didn’t play. Injury is the only issue and even 50 games of BI is probably better than a whole season of Norm (and Norm most likely would not play the whole season).

And this is all because we are viewed as a tanking/rebuilding team and Miami isn’t. Which is funny because Miami lost their best player in Jimmy just like we did in Pascal and if we did not actively sit players to tank and we were much more healthy throughout the season we would have been in the play-in right alongside Miami lol. Miami is the type of team that most people would consider “treadmill” and would say they should tank instead of being buyers. I guess those things are only said about the Raptors lol

The Miami Heat are a premier free agent or trade destination team. They are one of the very few teams who do not need to tear it all down to rebuild because stars will actively seek out playing there. The Heat can afford to “treadmill” because eventually some star will show up. Stars are not showing up for us.

Problem for MIA is, free agency is dead now. The big names sign extensions with their existing teams because they can typically pay the most and they just force a trade if they don't like their situation. So MIA's going to need the asset base to make a big deal. Players will still want to play for them, but they're going to have to trade for them like everyone else, which means a lot more competition.

[WaltFrazier]

Miami hard capped to first apron so no MLE left to use. Norm is big time talent but he is another small guard. How does it work in the playoffs?

I legit forgot that Kevin Love is still hooping.

I expect that Clips will get Beal for a veteran's min and not miss a beat. Plus they have $50m in cap space the following year. Amazing move for the Clips.

Till this past season I wondered if years of playing on a loser had diminished Kyle Kuzma as a player, or could he just return to high level on a playoff team. We found out, in Milwaukee. He's not good anymore. I think it'll be the same with Beal, he won't have it anymore. But I guess at vet minimum it's worth a gamble.

[OakleyDokely]

The CBA hurts the big teams the most. Huge penalties for going past the cap thresholds so you can't just throw money at problems anymore. Teams like MIA, LAL could just create cap space and wait for the stars to show up, but that really isn't the case anymore either. Free agency mostly just consists of MLE level guys. The teams that excel at drafting and developing and the ones that make smart trades and signings while managing within the cap limits will be successful.

[sidsid]

Powell and Collins are basically on the same deal so I doubt it was money related. They were probably just balancing the roster out. They have a bigger need for frontcourt players than guards.

All the players in this deal are on expiring's, except for Anderson who has non guaranteed money next year.

Yeah, I see that it's just a positional play for the Clippers. The end result is they won't be re-signing anyone more than on a 1 year regardless. I just thought they'd be looking for more future value, but it's probably not there, or attached to uselessness.

Funny thing is my recommended offseason moves for the Thunder to stay out of the tax next year would have worked with Norm, assuming the Bucks are trying to do something for Giannis.

- Norm to Thunder consolidation trade/cap move
- Joe/Wiggins to Bucks depth/youth move
- Kuzma to Clips. 2 year garbage contract at position fitting the plan. Some minor picks for the trouble.

That would have made absolutely no sense for the Clippers. Get the worst player in the deal with more term for some SRP's? Why wouldn't they have just traded for Joe and Wiggins themselves instead? lol

They'd get at least a protected 1st out of it from the Bucks.

The Wiggins contract goes past 2026, and both guys are guards. They just traded Norm for a forward to make room for Beal.

Just going by what the Clippers were looking for now and in the future, and getting them cheap assets for Norm.

[sidsid]

The CBA hurts the big teams the most. Huge penalties for going past the cap thresholds so you can't just throw money at problems anymore. Teams like MIA, LAL could just create cap space and wait for the stars to show up, but that really isn't the case anymore either. Free agency mostly just consists of MLE level guys. The teams that excel at drafting and developing and the ones that make smart trades and signings while managing within the cap limits will be successful.

This assumes that collusion isn't a standard part of player movement. Bosh/Wade/LeBron working things out years prior from the Olympics on and just debating the destination. FA destinations like Miami, the Clippers and the Nets likely all saving space for the 2027 offseason is more than enough of a signal even without background talks.

If Giannis doesn't sign an extension prior to his opt out I'm going to assume the decision was made at least a year in advance.

[OakleyDokely]

The CBA hurts the big teams the most. Huge penalties for going past the cap thresholds so you can't just throw money at problems anymore. Teams like MIA, LAL could just create cap space and wait for the stars to show up, but that really isn't the case anymore either. Free agency mostly just consists of MLE level guys. The teams that excel at drafting and developing and the ones that make smart trades and signings while managing within the cap limits will be successful.

This assumes that collusion isn't a standard part of player movement. Bosh/Wade/LeBron working things out years prior from the Olympics on and just debating the destination. FA destinations like Miami, the Clippers and the Nets likely all saving space for the 2027 offseason is more than enough of a signal even without background talks.

If Giannis doesn't sign an extension prior to his opt out I'm going to assume the decision was made at least a year in advance.

Collusion will always be a factor, but the CBA it set up in way that the players existing team can give more years/money and agents are advising their top players to take it instead of risking injury/poor play and waiting for free agency. That's why almost every big star is traded now, not signed.