Training Camp Thread / Media Day

[bape_lovers]

With Ingram and Scottie, he doesn’t need to be a passer. Can’t wait till the season start guys.

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IQ breakout season.

He's gonna be a sharpshooter. With all those wide open looks, I'm expecting him to hit 4 threes per game.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Darko said we could see some 11-deep rotation nights this year with all the depth he believes this team has.

For comparison, over his first 2 seasons as a coach he would basically only run 10-deep rotations, with the occasional 9-deep night sprinkled in.

He also outright said Mamu is going to start the season as the backup 5, so one of the youngsters (Ja'Kobe/Gradey/Ochai/CMB) will start the season as the 11th man. It definitely won't be Shead because Darko loves having a "traditional PG" on the court at all times so he's basically locked in as the backup PG.

Battle and Mogbo as the 12th and 13th guys on the depth chart should sneakily be ridiculous depth, given how weak the East is supposed to be this season.

He was asked a specific question about CMB and immediately ignored it and went into Mamu hype train "face of the league" mode. I think that tells you right away he has to keep CMB out of the rotation until Bobby can get rid of some of that guard surplus. Functionally the bench is going to be awful on D unless CMB or Mogbo is on the floor, and the standard set by their SL was really high. Something will have to give.

[Jerry Lucas]

Darko said we could see some 11-deep rotation nights this year with all the depth he believes this team has.

For comparison, over his first 2 seasons as a coach he would basically only run 10-deep rotations, with the occasional 9-deep night sprinkled in.

He also outright said Mamu is going to start the season as the backup 5, so one of the youngsters (Ja'Kobe/Gradey/Ochai/CMB) will start the season as the 11th man. It definitely won't be Shead because Darko loves having a "traditional PG" on the court at all times so he's basically locked in as the backup PG.

Battle and Mogbo as the 12th and 13th guys on the depth chart should sneakily be ridiculous depth, given how weak the East is supposed to be this season.

He was asked a specific question about CMB and immediately ignored it and went into Mamu hype train "face of the league" mode. I think that tells you right away he has to keep CMB out of the rotation until Bobby can get rid of some of that guard surplus. Functionally the bench is going to be awful on D unless CMB or Mogbo is on the floor, and the standard set by their SL was really high. Something will have to give.

That question wasn't about CMB specifically. A comparison was made between the Scottie/OG/Pascal wing trio and the Scottie/Ingram/CMB, followed by the question being how Darko is going to make the present wing trio work in lineups together, and his answer was basically "Mamu's spacing. Oh yeah btw Mamu's going to be the backup 5."

[ATLTimekeeper]

Darko said we could see some 11-deep rotation nights this year with all the depth he believes this team has.

For comparison, over his first 2 seasons as a coach he would basically only run 10-deep rotations, with the occasional 9-deep night sprinkled in.

He also outright said Mamu is going to start the season as the backup 5, so one of the youngsters (Ja'Kobe/Gradey/Ochai/CMB) will start the season as the 11th man. It definitely won't be Shead because Darko loves having a "traditional PG" on the court at all times so he's basically locked in as the backup PG.

Battle and Mogbo as the 12th and 13th guys on the depth chart should sneakily be ridiculous depth, given how weak the East is supposed to be this season.

He was asked a specific question about CMB and immediately ignored it and went into Mamu hype train "face of the league" mode. I think that tells you right away he has to keep CMB out of the rotation until Bobby can get rid of some of that guard surplus. Functionally the bench is going to be awful on D unless CMB or Mogbo is on the floor, and the standard set by their SL was really high. Something will have to give.

That question wasn't about CMB specifically. A comparison was made between the Scottie/OG/Pascal wing trio and the Scottie/Ingram/CMB, followed by the question being how Darko is going to make the present wing trio work in lineups together, and his answer was basically "Mamu's spacing. Oh yeah btw Mamu's going to be the backup 5."

That type of question is a set up to talk about the new additions fitting together in meaningful roles, and he skipped all of them to say "Mamu is our back-up 5." It wasn't, 'we'll play them all with Mamu.' He just avoided the question because he rejected the premise.

[Jerry Lucas]

He was asked a specific question about CMB and immediately ignored it and went into Mamu hype train "face of the league" mode. I think that tells you right away he has to keep CMB out of the rotation until Bobby can get rid of some of that guard surplus. Functionally the bench is going to be awful on D unless CMB or Mogbo is on the floor, and the standard set by their SL was really high. Something will have to give.

That question wasn't about CMB specifically. A comparison was made between the Scottie/OG/Pascal wing trio and the Scottie/Ingram/CMB, followed by the question being how Darko is going to make the present wing trio work in lineups together, and his answer was basically "Mamu's spacing. Oh yeah btw Mamu's going to be the backup 5."

That type of question is a set up to talk about the new additions fitting together in meaningful roles, and he skipped all of them to say "Mamu is our back-up 5." It wasn't, 'we'll play them all with Mamu.' He just avoided the question because he rejected the premise.

How was saying Mamu is the backup 5 "rejecting the premise", if the premise of the question wasn't even that CMB would be the backup 5?

[ATLTimekeeper]

That question wasn't about CMB specifically. A comparison was made between the Scottie/OG/Pascal wing trio and the Scottie/Ingram/CMB, followed by the question being how Darko is going to make the present wing trio work in lineups together, and his answer was basically "Mamu's spacing. Oh yeah btw Mamu's going to be the backup 5."

That type of question is a set up to talk about the new additions fitting together in meaningful roles, and he skipped all of them to say "Mamu is our back-up 5." It wasn't, 'we'll play them all with Mamu.' He just avoided the question because he rejected the premise.

How was saying Mamu is the backup 5 "rejecting the premise", if the premise of the question wasn't even that CMB would be the backup 5?

Because he avoided the question altogether and started talking about someone else. Do you think he actually meant, "well Mamu will play with Ingram, Scottie and CMB?" I didn't take it that way at all.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Do you think they sell out less often this year? Unless they really surprise people it’s seeming like interest is way down.

[Jerry Lucas]

That type of question is a set up to talk about the new additions fitting together in meaningful roles, and he skipped all of them to say "Mamu is our back-up 5." It wasn't, 'we'll play them all with Mamu.' He just avoided the question because he rejected the premise.

How was saying Mamu is the backup 5 "rejecting the premise", if the premise of the question wasn't even that CMB would be the backup 5?

Because he avoided the question altogether and started talking about someone else. Do you think he actually meant, "well Mamu will play with Ingram, Scottie and CMB?" I didn't take it that way at all.

Listen again to Darko's full answer to that question (Raptors just posted it on their YT). And also listen to the way the question was framed in terms of comparing the Scottie/OG/Pascal big wing trio to Scottie/Ingram/CMB, and how he will "learn from the past to implement this new trio" (turn on CC if you can't hear the guy asking).

He ends the answer by specifically talking about the value he thinks Sandro will bring as a connective piece in the rotation, which basically reads to me like "Mamu's spacing will make up for Scottie and CMB's combined non-spacing if they are on the court together, so a unit featuring all 3 of Scottie/Ingram/CMB could be viable with Mamu also there as a stretch big."

[C_Money]

Do you think they sell out less often this year? Unless they really surprise people it’s seeming like interest is way down.

We’re expected to be a competitive team for the first time in awhile. That’s usually enough to sell out the arena.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

But how many believe it?

[ATLTimekeeper]

How was saying Mamu is the backup 5 "rejecting the premise", if the premise of the question wasn't even that CMB would be the backup 5?

Because he avoided the question altogether and started talking about someone else. Do you think he actually meant, "well Mamu will play with Ingram, Scottie and CMB?" I didn't take it that way at all.

Listen again to Darko's full answer to that question (Raptors just posted it on their YT). And also listen to the way the question was framed in terms of comparing the Scottie/OG/Pascal big wing trio to Scottie/Ingram/CMB, and how he will "learn from the past to implement this new trio" (turn on CC if you can't hear the guy asking).

He ends the answer by specifically talking about the value he thinks Sandro will bring as a connective piece in the rotation, which basically reads to me like "Mamu's spacing will make up for Scottie and CMB's combined non-spacing if they are on the court together, so a unit featuring all 3 of Scottie/Ingram/CMB could be viable with Mamu also there as a stretch big."

I did, and aside from closed captioning transcribing 'pick and rolls' as 'pickles and hoes' I didn't get much out of it.

To me, it still tracks as a dodge. And when you consider the math of playing time, it makes sense that he would avoid talking about CMB playing with Scottie and BI and just go onto something he wanted to talk about instead.

[Jerry Lucas]

Because he avoided the question altogether and started talking about someone else. Do you think he actually meant, "well Mamu will play with Ingram, Scottie and CMB?" I didn't take it that way at all.

Listen again to Darko's full answer to that question (Raptors just posted it on their YT). And also listen to the way the question was framed in terms of comparing the Scottie/OG/Pascal big wing trio to Scottie/Ingram/CMB, and how he will "learn from the past to implement this new trio" (turn on CC if you can't hear the guy asking).

He ends the answer by specifically talking about the value he thinks Sandro will bring as a connective piece in the rotation, which basically reads to me like "Mamu's spacing will make up for Scottie and CMB's combined non-spacing if they are on the court together, so a unit featuring all 3 of Scottie/Ingram/CMB could be viable with Mamu also there as a stretch big."

I did, and aside from closed captioning transcribing 'pick and rolls' as 'pickles and hoes' I didn't get much out of it.

To me, it still tracks as a dodge. And when you consider the math of playing time, it makes sense that he would avoid talking about CMB playing with Scottie and BI and just go onto something he wanted to talk about instead.

Idk man, even his answer when he was asked about CMB specifically in a separate Q, and named a bunch of his different skillsets he thinks are going to be valuable to this team, that doesn't sound like someone who is lowkey on the outs in Darko's early rotation plans like you seem to be implying.

He also said at another point in his presser that he doesn't think there will be any defensive weak links in the rotation this season. Same guy who also said he loves CMB's defense. Make that make sense. If anything Darko's comments about "no defensive weak links this year" kind of paints a more negative picture for someone like Gradey, if you're looking for someone to paint as "on the outside of the early rotation looking in."

[DreamTeam09]

That type of question is a set up to talk about the new additions fitting together in meaningful roles, and he skipped all of them to say "Mamu is our back-up 5." It wasn't, 'we'll play them all with Mamu.' He just avoided the question because he rejected the premise.

How was saying Mamu is the backup 5 "rejecting the premise", if the premise of the question wasn't even that CMB would be the backup 5?

Because he avoided the question altogether and started talking about someone else. Do you think he actually meant, "well Mamu will play with Ingram, Scottie and CMB?" I didn't take it that way at all.

well based on y'alls back n forth and not watching the actual presser, If someone is talking about Barnes CMB n Ingram playing together in how they can co-exist. Bringing up Mamu as the spacing back-up 5 makes sense no?

[Zeno]

I wasn’t expecting anything today of all days but when are we going to hear the nba ruling on that Knicks/Raptors hearing that Silver was supposed to hold at the end of July. Has the whole thing been settled a back room somewhere?

[ash_k]

I liked how they talked about the "Starting 5"

[anotherhomer]

Listen again to Darko's full answer to that question (Raptors just posted it on their YT). And also listen to the way the question was framed in terms of comparing the Scottie/OG/Pascal big wing trio to Scottie/Ingram/CMB, and how he will "learn from the past to implement this new trio" (turn on CC if you can't hear the guy asking).

He ends the answer by specifically talking about the value he thinks Sandro will bring as a connective piece in the rotation, which basically reads to me like "Mamu's spacing will make up for Scottie and CMB's combined non-spacing if they are on the court together, so a unit featuring all 3 of Scottie/Ingram/CMB could be viable with Mamu also there as a stretch big."

I did, and aside from closed captioning transcribing 'pick and rolls' as 'pickles and hoes' I didn't get much out of it.

To me, it still tracks as a dodge. And when you consider the math of playing time, it makes sense that he would avoid talking about CMB playing with Scottie and BI and just go onto something he wanted to talk about instead.

Idk man, even his answer when he was asked about CMB specifically in a separate Q, and named a bunch of his different skillsets he thinks are going to be valuable to this team, that doesn't sound like someone who is lowkey on the outs in Darko's early rotation plans like you seem to be implying.

He also said at another point in his presser that he doesn't think there will be any defensive weak links in the rotation this season. Same guy who also said he loves CMB's defense. Make that make sense. If anything Darko's comments about "no defensive weak links this year" kind of paints a more negative picture for someone like Gradey, if you're looking for someone to paint as "on the outside of the early rotation looking in."

CMB will definitely be playing, and backing up Scottie

At the 1/2/3 spot you have IQ, RJ and Ingram starting, then with Shead, Ochai coming off the bench for sure plus Walter/Gradey for the 3rd spot.

plus guys evitably get hurt

[ATLTimekeeper]

Listen again to Darko's full answer to that question (Raptors just posted it on their YT). And also listen to the way the question was framed in terms of comparing the Scottie/OG/Pascal big wing trio to Scottie/Ingram/CMB, and how he will "learn from the past to implement this new trio" (turn on CC if you can't hear the guy asking).

He ends the answer by specifically talking about the value he thinks Sandro will bring as a connective piece in the rotation, which basically reads to me like "Mamu's spacing will make up for Scottie and CMB's combined non-spacing if they are on the court together, so a unit featuring all 3 of Scottie/Ingram/CMB could be viable with Mamu also there as a stretch big."

I did, and aside from closed captioning transcribing 'pick and rolls' as 'pickles and hoes' I didn't get much out of it.

To me, it still tracks as a dodge. And when you consider the math of playing time, it makes sense that he would avoid talking about CMB playing with Scottie and BI and just go onto something he wanted to talk about instead.

Idk man, even his answer when he was asked about CMB specifically in a separate Q, and named a bunch of his different skillsets he thinks are going to be valuable to this team, that doesn't sound like someone who is lowkey on the outs in Darko's early rotation plans like you seem to be implying.

He also said at another point in his presser that he doesn't think there will be any defensive weak links in the rotation this season. Same guy who also said he loves CMB's defense. Make that make sense. If anything Darko's comments about "no defensive weak links this year" kind of paints a more negative picture for someone like Gradey, if you're looking for someone to paint as "on the outside of the early rotation looking in."

He said a lot of great things about Gradey, too. What a coach says when he's lifting the spirits of the fans at the beginning of the year and what he does are two different things.

[djsunyc]

y"all are trippin' lol

[ImmortalD24]

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I read Darko's CMB's comments as just being political, because he doesn't want to kick vets from the rotation before they even open camp. "Everyone has to earn it" kind of language. If CMB is as good as we think, he'll earn it pretty quickly.

I am a bit concerned that he penciled in Mamu for backup 5, I think there's a chance CMB is better there from day 1. Hopefully it's not a C version of his Dennis Schroder love affair. But the team tended to win their minutes with the husk of Olynyk playing C, so what do I know.