Is Scottie like the defensive JALEN JOHNSON?

[anotherhomer]

i like the eric koreen approach, scottie barnes is playing at the level expected of him, but i wouldn't expect him to be someone to carry the offense

[Got Nuffin]

Can't they both be potential franchise players?

Barnes looks like he could play the role of a Kyle Lowry-like force on both ends of the ball while hitting clutch buckets, as long as there is another player/s there to take a scoring load, regularly make contested shots etc.

Didn't we all just agree Lowry is the greatest Raptor of all time over a handful of Raptors who have been more proficient, and efficient, scorers?

So what the .. are you guys complaining about then? Barnes is the engine that will drive this young team if it's going to go anywhere regardless of box score.

[Son Goku 25]

I think Sengun is the best overall offensive player from that draft. Definitely harder to stop him.

[manjusaka]

I think Sengun is the best overall offensive player from that draft. Definitely harder to stop him.

It is Cade and it is not even close.

[Thaddy]

I think Sengun is the best overall offensive player from that draft. Definitely harder to stop him.

His OBPM isn't much higher. Offense isn't the problem it's more so that he doesn't protect the rim well enough. He doesn't even get a single block per 36 minutes. Never has over his career.

Everyone is saying Barnes can't sustain his 3pt percentage so far. Then why would Sengun, who's been worse over his career from 3, be able to?

[Los_29]

Jalen Johnson is a good player but his percentages are unsustainable and will come back around to his career averages. I also find it funny how we keep hearing every year how talented this Atlanta team is and they always miss the playoffs despite trying to compete. This year they are 8-5 but their wins have been in large part, against bad teams. Brooklyn, Utah, LAC, SAC, LAL (No Reaves, Lebron), Indiana.

Scottie is a better player than Jalen Johnson.

[Son Goku 25]

I think Sengun is the best overall offensive player from that draft. Definitely harder to stop him.

His OBPM isn't much higher. Offense isn't the problem it's more so that he doesn't protect the rim well enough. He doesn't even get a single block per 36 minutes. Never has over his career.

Everyone is saying Barnes can't sustain his 3pt percentage so far. Then why would Sengun, who's been worse over his career from 3, be able to?

Oh I'm not comparing them I'm just mentioning my opinion on who I think is the best offensive player from that draft. I think he's just bigger and more skilled than anyone else but you can make an argument for Cade and bring Wagner into it as well. I think his overall feel for the game and size and skills in my opinion make him the best offensive player in that draft.

[Tripod]

Why do some people only want to exist in negativity?

Barnes comes off a huge game and is having a great season and instead of talking about that, they make a thread to tear him down. It's so bizarre to me.

Why can't people just say that Barnes is having a great year and has taken a step forward after a poor pre-season. And JJ is having a good year and stepping up with Trae out.

So bizarre to me.

It’s a discussion board, it’s bound to happen lol.

Your post also invites even more discussion. Your post says Scottie is having a great year but JJ is only having a good year despite JJ averaging more points, rebounds, assists, steals and is significantly more efficient than him with his TS%.

The best way to not feed a thread is to not reply in it.

Jokes aside, yeah, they’ve both been great.

I didn't even realize I said great for SB and good for JJ...my bad. That was just a slip, nothing intentional. Yup...both been great.

I just find it odd that after the games both had, someone's 1ST thought is "I need to create a thread "against" Barnes. Just weird to be in that minds space, imo.

[Tripod]

Can't they both be potential franchise players?

Barnes looks like he could play the role of a Kyle Lowry-like force on both ends of the ball while hitting clutch buckets, as long as there is another player/s there to take a scoring load, regularly make contested shots etc.

Didn't we all just agree Lowry is the greatest Raptor of all time over a handful of Raptors who have been more proficient, and efficient, scorers?

So what the .. are you guys complaining about then? Barnes is the engine that will drive this young team if it's going to go anywhere regardless of box score.

Yup. Have said the same thing in comparison to Lowry....the engine of the team.

Barnes is going to be the anchor on defense/transition for this team. It's unfair to expect him to be the offensive engine when he "naturally" isn't a scorer the way RJ or BI are plus doing both is exhausting if doing it every night.

I think back to our Championship year, Lowry was only a 14 point guy but no one cared because he did so many other things, others didn't do. But then in game 6, he comes out and scores the 1st 12 points of the game. That makes a statement.

In the end, this is just the beginning of where we hope the Raps develop into. Let's enjoy the ride and be happy to watch meaningful bball again.

[Indeed]

I mean you can say this about Scottie. After last season people were doubting whether he could even be a second or THIRD option, now that he's playing well in a small sample size with a better roster we're ready to anoint him as a franchise player again lol.

Health risk aside, I'd place Jalen Johnson around the same tier as Scottie and I would actually say he has a bit more upside to reach another level.

Scottie has always been good. He wasn't forcing it inside last year as much as he is now. He was refining his shot and getting reps in while we tanked. Why would he put his body on the line in meaningless games?

The defense and transition offense is worth the contract even if he can't do anything else.

I am absolutely sure that if you swap him with Mobley or Johnson his offensive numbers would look better and we wouldn't be as good as we are.

You are aware Scottie is technically putting up almost thr same stats as last year? He hasn’t made a HUGE statistical jump, and his efficiency increase is fueled a lot by his unsustainable 3 point %?

I don’t know why we’re saying “11 games..” for JJ fueled by some SSS but not recognizing the exact same is true of Scottie.

This is want I want to see in the next 10 games or so on his 3 being unsustainable or not. It also has to do with how teams change their defense against him.

However, it is just hard to compare someone making near max at 38m (highest salary on a team) and someone is making 30m flat. I think it is easier to compare in another 2 years when one makes close to 45m and the other is still making 30m.

[onions17]

It would be interesting to see what the replies would be in a similar thread on the hawks board..
you can get some of their opinions here:
viewtopic.php?t=2329702

[bballsparkin]

Jalen would have went higher if it wasn't for coach K saying he was soft and had a bad attitude.

He definitely proved that old fart wrong.

Not very professional of Coach K. At the same time every time I see Jalen play I think he looks soft. He's a finesse player. Very talented but to my eyes indeed kind of soft.

[djsunyc]

Why do some people only want to exist in negativity?

Barnes comes off a huge game and is having a great season and instead of talking about that, they make a thread to tear him down. It's so bizarre to me.

Why can't people just say that Barnes is having a great year and has taken a step forward after a poor pre-season. And JJ is having a good year and stepping up with Trae out.

So bizarre to me.

i think it's simple. some folks are unable to communicate unless they can complain about something.

[DreamTeam09]

Not that their opinions matter than more than anyone else's, just some outside perspectives, Everyone on this panel had Scottie as the clear best player of the 3, and majority of them had Lauri on the bench n JJ cut. Their chat had Barnes as clear better player as well.

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[wegotthabeet]

Just be grateful that we have Scottie. Jalen is also great.

Some of you guys are **** up honestly haha.

[Tha Cynic]

Scottie has always been good. He wasn't forcing it inside last year as much as he is now. He was refining his shot and getting reps in while we tanked. Why would he put his body on the line in meaningless games?

The defense and transition offense is worth the contract even if he can't do anything else.

I am absolutely sure that if you swap him with Mobley or Johnson his offensive numbers would look better and we wouldn't be as good as we are.

You are aware Scottie is technically putting up almost thr same stats as last year? He hasn’t made a HUGE statistical jump, and his efficiency increase is fueled a lot by his unsustainable 3 point %?

I don’t know why we’re saying “11 games..” for JJ fueled by some SSS but not recognizing the exact same is true of Scottie.

This is want I want to see in the next 10 games or so on his 3 being unsustainable or not. It also has to do with how teams change their defense against him.

However, it is just hard to compare someone making near max at 38m (highest salary on a team) and someone is making 30m flat. I think it is easier to compare in another 2 years when one makes close to 45m and the other is still making 30m.

The salaries also don't matter lol. Every team was offering him the rookie max coming off a rookie of the year and AllStar selection.

[Indeed]

You are aware Scottie is technically putting up almost thr same stats as last year? He hasn’t made a HUGE statistical jump, and his efficiency increase is fueled a lot by his unsustainable 3 point %?

I don’t know why we’re saying “11 games..” for JJ fueled by some SSS but not recognizing the exact same is true of Scottie.

This is want I want to see in the next 10 games or so on his 3 being unsustainable or not. It also has to do with how teams change their defense against him.

However, it is just hard to compare someone making near max at 38m (highest salary on a team) and someone is making 30m flat. I think it is easier to compare in another 2 years when one makes close to 45m and the other is still making 30m.

The salaries also don't matter lol. Every team was offering him the rookie max coming off a rookie of the year and AllStar selection.

Why does it matter of how the contract is given?
People only care if the contract lives up to the value.
When it comes to Barnes, there are tons of excuses (because other teams will be giving him the max, while I don't see the same argument applied to Bynes who shoot 35%+ from 3s, and regressed with the Raptors). The result matters regardless why we give him that contract. Living up to the contract is him, not us giving that contract.

[Appostis]

You are aware Scottie is technically putting up almost thr same stats as last year? He hasn’t made a HUGE statistical jump, and his efficiency increase is fueled a lot by his unsustainable 3 point %?

I don’t know why we’re saying “11 games..” for JJ fueled by some SSS but not recognizing the exact same is true of Scottie.

This is want I want to see in the next 10 games or so on his 3 being unsustainable or not. It also has to do with how teams change their defense against him.

However, it is just hard to compare someone making near max at 38m (highest salary on a team) and someone is making 30m flat. I think it is easier to compare in another 2 years when one makes close to 45m and the other is still making 30m.

The salaries also don't matter lol. Every team was offering him the rookie max coming off a rookie of the year and AllStar selection.

You see people trying to claim Barnes is overpaid..

[dcstanley]

Johnson and Deni are better than Scottie.

[anotherhomer]

Johnson and Deni are better than Scottie.

from a stats perspective yes
from an offensive perspective yes, deni and johnson appear to have a bigger scoring bag

in terms of overall impact, hopefully it's even