[Stein] - Hawks More Open To Trading Trae Young; Would Include Zaccharie Risacher In Right Deal

[canada_dry]

Its a good buy low option. Like ingram as you said. If the price is right I'd MUCH rather a trae over a ja for example.

[canada_dry]

Can't win with a player like Young he's too small and weak for switches. His career might actually end up being over in the NBA. He's a massive disadvantage, it's crazy how this wasn't uncovered sooner.

Holy overreaction batman. Career might be over?

[canada_dry]

Hopefully darko can finally utilize more of his picky rolls with an actual pick and roll player coming through. Darko is very versed in the art. He should be given the chance to unleash that aspect of his tactics

[canada_dry]

I think Garland is the best option to target. Contract is more expensive than IQ but not ridiculous, defense is bad but not Trae levels of turnstile. Provides spacing at least as good as IQ's, doesn't have to dominate the ball to be effective, gets into the paint, can actually be the primary ballhandler when needed, and creates quality looks for teammates.

With the Cavs currently having the most expensive roster in the league, and maybe looking for a shakeup, it might make some sense for them to make a trade for a more cost-controlled IQ who is better suited as a defender (relatively speaking) and floor spacer next to Mitchell, and on paper currently producing very similarly to IQ this season. As with everything, will depend on the asking price, but could be a win-win for both sides.

Garland would be the dream but i don't think he'd be a buy low candidate like trae.

[Boogie!]

Look at how quickly the hawks are moving on from their number 1 pick… meanwhile the raptors…

[TGM]

Trae is probably the one star that I'm least keen on. Feel like his team consistently underperforms when he plays and the team is arguably better when he is off the court. Add in the injury and high usage required by Trae not sure he is ideal fit for us even at a cheap cost.

[tsherkin]

Look at how quickly the hawks are moving on from their number 1 pick… meanwhile the raptors…

Given the way JJ has broken out, it's a little less than surprising, because Risacher is nothing more than D and corner 3s at the moment, without much indication that he has broader upside.

Meanwhile, Scottie is still a highly productive player, and is amidst his best season to date...

[Tha Cynic]

Look at how quickly the hawks are moving on from their number 1 pick… meanwhile the raptors…

Given the way JJ has broken out, it's a little less than surprising, because Risacher is nothing more than D and corner 3s at the moment, without much indication that he has broader upside.

Meanwhile, Scottie is still a highly productive player, and is amidst his best season to date...

Probably talking about Dick. Would not make sense to ask why the Raptors aren’t trading their best player lol

[Duffman100]

Look at how quickly the hawks are moving on from their number 1 pick… meanwhile the raptors…

Given the way JJ has broken out, it's a little less than surprising, because Risacher is nothing more than D and corner 3s at the moment, without much indication that he has broader upside.

Meanwhile, Scottie is still a highly productive player, and is amidst his best season to date...

Probably talking about Dick. Would not make sense to ask why the Raptors aren’t trading their best player lol

Also doesn't make sense as Risacher still has some
Sort of value as the #1 pick and his skillset / physical tools.

Dick likely has almost no value at all right now.

[sidsid]

I would trade for Trae just to get an expiring contract. I would not resign him.

I agree. I would do it just for the opportunity to take on and try to develop Risacher. I would do everything possible to entice Trae to opt out of his contract just to get off of IQ's contract. I think IQ works better in Atlanta's line-up since he wouldn't be called upon to be a primary ball handler. He'd just be a gunner.

RIsacher is still only 20 years old...same age as CMB. I don't think Zac is a bad player and while only playing 24 mpg being 3rd or 4th option on offence and averaging about 12 ppg is what you'd expect especially playing with Trae Young, Jalen Johnson and Dyson Daniels who will likely take more of the shots because of their roles in the hierarchy.

Trae is two years of a very bad contract that you can't win with and who will dominate everything you do on offense and defense at the expense of all other development. I'm only doing that trade if we can clean house on our long term contracts and that means moving Jak as well. You can sub out RJ for Jak and add 2 of their minimum bigs and it works. Good cap space alignment in 2 years.

[mtcan]

I would trade for Trae just to get an expiring contract. I would not resign him.

I agree. I would do it just for the opportunity to take on and try to develop Risacher. I would do everything possible to entice Trae to opt out of his contract just to get off of IQ's contract. I think IQ works better in Atlanta's line-up since he wouldn't be called upon to be a primary ball handler. He'd just be a gunner.

RIsacher is still only 20 years old...same age as CMB. I don't think Zac is a bad player and while only playing 24 mpg being 3rd or 4th option on offence and averaging about 12 ppg is what you'd expect especially playing with Trae Young, Jalen Johnson and Dyson Daniels who will likely take more of the shots because of their roles in the hierarchy.

Trae is two years of a very bad contract that you can't win with and who will dominate everything you do on offense and defense at the expense of all other development. I'm only doing that trade if we can clean house on our long term contracts and that means moving Jak as well. You can sub out RJ for Jak and add 2 of their minimum bigs and it works. Good cap space alignment in 2 years.

It isn't 2 years of Trae Young if he opts out of his player option this summer........

[Boogie!]

Look at how quickly the hawks are moving on from their number 1 pick… meanwhile the raptors…

Given the way JJ has broken out, it's a little less than surprising, because Risacher is nothing more than D and corner 3s at the moment, without much indication that he has broader upside.

Meanwhile, Scottie is still a highly productive player, and is amidst his best season to date...

Scottie wasn’t my reference it was dick I was thinking about when I wrote that.

[Duffman100]

Look at how quickly the hawks are moving on from their number 1 pick… meanwhile the raptors…

Given the way JJ has broken out, it's a little less than surprising, because Risacher is nothing more than D and corner 3s at the moment, without much indication that he has broader upside.

Meanwhile, Scottie is still a highly productive player, and is amidst his best season to date...

Scottie wasn’t my reference it was dick I was thinking about when I wrote that.

The problem with giving up Dick (either a full release or trading him) is whether it's worth it.

Whoever you replacement him with likely isn't worth attempting to see if there is any value or production left in him.

[JB7]

Honestly, fans of the Raps need to appreciate where this team is more. They are still in the rebuilding process, have managed to build a roster with talent in the starting lineup that has it positioned currently as 4th in the East. While their starters eat up a lot of their room under the tax, they still have a roster filled out with decent players on rookie deals. They really don't have any massive albatross contracts weighing down the team. Even Yak, if he gets healthy, is not a horrible deal. Either is IQ. BI has fit in great with Barnes, and they make a great duo.

All of these proposed trades for either Trae, AD, LaMelo, Ja, Sabonis, Garland, etc. are not dramatically improving the team, and put them in a much worse salary position, as all of these players are on max deals, so it requires the Raps moving 2 players on more reasonable deals (RJ, IQ or Yak) for players eating up significantly more money, who are injury risks, and who don't significantly improve the play of the team.

These aren't the deals the Raps should be wanting to make.

[tsherkin]

Scottie wasn’t my reference it was dick I was thinking about when I wrote that.

That makes infinitely more sense, heh. Thanks for clarifying.

EDIT: I've become too used to getting defensive about people bitching about Scottie this season, it seems xD

[Boogie!]

Given the way JJ has broken out, it's a little less than surprising, because Risacher is nothing more than D and corner 3s at the moment, without much indication that he has broader upside.

Meanwhile, Scottie is still a highly productive player, and is amidst his best season to date...

Scottie wasn’t my reference it was dick I was thinking about when I wrote that.

The problem with giving up Dick (either a full release or trading him) is whether it's worth it.

Whoever you replacement him with likely isn't worth attempting to see if there is any value or production left in him.

Trading him for any value while you still can is better than force feeding minutes and Then eventually letting his contract run out for nothing. Surely there’s a team out there that sees him as some sort of reclamation project because of his age. It’s the same thing I said about achiuwa at the time. Development time is over you either produce or don’t play.

[Duffman100]

Scottie wasn’t my reference it was dick I was thinking about when I wrote that.

The problem with giving up Dick (either a full release or trading him) is whether it's worth it.

Whoever you replacement him with likely isn't worth attempting to see if there is any value or production left in him.

Trading him for any value while you still can is better than force feeding minutes and Then eventually letting his contract run out for nothing. Surely there’s a team out there that sees him as some sort of reclamation project because of his age. It’s the same thing I said about achiuwa at the time. Development time is over you either produce or don’t play.

We aren't getting a 1st for him.

So either we get a mid 2nd or another under performing recent draft pick.

[dagger]

Here's an idea. Do nothing. Trade no one unless it's packaging a couple of bench wings and a pick for a modest veteran upgrade. No deal really vaults the Raptors into true contention. Certainly not adding Trae Young who makes a team worse despite his one-way talent. The Raptors won't get to a true contender with just one move, making a couple of lateral ones over the next season or two might set up the right one to get them over the top. Getting to 45-50 wins while developing young and youngish players is a good result for this season. Ochai is the only even modestly significant free agent this summer, and his role could be assumed by Walter. Ochai was acquired for an end-of-first-round pick in a weak draft, so if he walks, it's no catastrophe.

[hyper316]

Trae to spurs for Fox

[tsherkin]

Trading him for any value while you still can is better than force feeding minutes and Then eventually letting his contract run out for nothing. Surely there’s a team out there that sees him as some sort of reclamation project because of his age. It’s the same thing I said about achiuwa at the time. Development time is over you either produce or don’t play.

I am inclined to agree that the time to reclaim value for Gradey seems to be here. He's not doing much of anything worthwhile for us, and whilst it would suck if we move him and he starts to flourish, we need assets who produce for us right now.