Fischer: Raps offered IQ + picks for Trae Young last year. Kings don’t have interest in IQ & Poeltl

[pingpongrac]

not sure why people are surprised? IQ was injury plagued last year and that offer was likely made before the ingram trade. we were probably floating the indy pick for a star for a quick turn around this year and settled on Ingram.

IQ's value bounced back somewhat this year with better health and defense while Young's value tanked. its a bullet dodged as far as im concerned.

Surprised it took nearly 40 posts for this to be brought up. IQ missed almost the entire first half of last season (he played in just 9 of our first 47 games) and the Pacers pick didn’t hold near as much value as it did 4 months later when Haliburton inevitably tore his Achilles in the Finals. When it comes to Trae, he was in the midst of another all-star season and he was putting up elite numbers (23/3/12) while the Hawks were still in playoff contention.

No context being applied to this whatsoever from so many people. IQ is not a toxic asset in the slightest. He is slightly overpaid right now, but he is performing decently well so far this season and his contract is more than likely going to end up being fair value by the end of it.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I don’t believe any of this. Unless you’re cool with an agent or player don’t believe everything you read.

Lol. Why?

quickley was coming off a big injury; we were trying to tank. hawks weren't really looking to trade young. its possible both teams were kicking the tires but i seriously doubt if there was anything serious there plus of course of the reliability of rumors.

[ATLTimekeeper]

just means that a 3rd team is needed to offload Poeltl. Send him to Chicago and send Kevin Huerter to the Kings and we get Sabonis for RJ straight up.

[earthtone]

not sure why people are surprised? IQ was injury plagued last year and that offer was likely made before the ingram trade. we were probably floating the indy pick for a star for a quick turn around this year and settled on Ingram.

IQ's value bounced back somewhat this year with better health and defense while Young's value tanked. its a bullet dodged as far as im concerned.

Surprised it took nearly 40 posts for this to be brought up. IQ missed almost the entire first half of last season (he played in just 9 of our first 47 games) and the Pacers pick didn’t hold near as much value as it did 4 months later when Haliburton inevitably tore his Achilles in the Finals. When it comes to Trae, he was in the midst of another all-star season and he was putting up elite numbers (23/3/12) while the Hawks were still in playoff contention.

No context being applied to this whatsoever from so many people. IQ is not a toxic asset in the slightest. He is slightly overpaid right now, but he is performing decently well so far this season and his contract is more than likely going to end up being fair value by the end of it.

I think the best way to come to the conclusion that IQ is toxic and untradeable is to just willingly ignore how much other guards in the league are making.


He's the 24th highest paid guard in the league this year, he likely won't be the Top 30 highest paid next year and will only continue to fall further down that list as the cap rises and his contract stays flat. The players closest to him in salary are Jalen Green, Jrue Holiday, Jordan Poole, Tyler Herro & Dejounte Murray.


He's averaged 20 pts/4.8 reb/7.2 ast in his 109 games started for the Raptors but people act like he's completely void of any scoring or playmaking skills. He's performing like an average starter and being paid like an average starter, while still having room to grow and outperform his contract. I don't understand all the panic

[Clutch0z24]

Who would want IQ/Yak two players that are not all stars but making all star money?....They are just mid level starters and IQ is not even a starting PG....hes more of a 6th man making starting PG money....

No smart GM would want these contracts in todays NBA an expiring contract to just get off big money is more valuable to teams now than these guys on big contracts with meh contributions...We are stuck with IQ/Yak until they expire or expiring contracts so all we can do is hope they play well for now.

As for RJ you are possibly losing him because we might not have enough money to give him the deal he would want because of the IQ/Yak deals which RJ is the one who actually deserves the big contract over these two guys which will be a shame....

No team is taking these contracts off our hands and also trading picks away with a team that could implode anyday because of injuries would also set us up horribly to look like big fools....Teams in todays NBA want good young prospects, picks or expiring contracts in trades not IQ/Yak level players on big deals...

Just badly managed atm and we have been badly managed since the title....

[ArthurVandelay]

just means that a 3rd team is needed to offload Poeltl. Send him to Chicago and send Kevin Huerter to the Kings and we get Sabonis for RJ straight up.

Why would the Bulls take Poeltl?

[ArthurVandelay]

Only team I can see taking Poeltl is Warriors. Need for a big, short window of opportunity = desperation, nobody wants Kuminga except Sacramento who have nothing GS wants.

Raptors would actually have a need for Monk’s skill set and would cut 2 years off Poeltl’s deal.

[sidsid]

just means that a 3rd team is needed to offload Poeltl. Send him to Chicago and send Kevin Huerter to the Kings and we get Sabonis for RJ straight up.

Why would the Bulls take Poeltl?

They're also looking at a bunch of cap space options next year.

The RJ rumours almost certainly centered around moving off the Patrick Williams contract early.

I think you could get a good pick asset out of the Bulls with Jak for him which you could reroute as value in a 3 teamer, but I doubt there's an expiring out there for him.

Basically no one wants to pay anyone

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Who would want IQ/Yak two players that are not all stars but making all star money?....They are just mid level starters and IQ is not even a starting PG....hes more of a 6th man making starting PG money....

No smart GM would want these contracts in todays NBA an expiring contract to just get off big money is more valuable to teams now than these guys on big contracts with meh contributions...We are stuck with IQ/Yak until they expire or expiring contracts so all we can do is hope they play well for now.

As for RJ you are possibly losing him because we might not have enough money to give him the deal he would want because of the IQ/Yak deals which RJ is the one who actually deserves the big contract over these two guys which will be a shame....

No team is taking these contracts off our hands and also trading picks away with a team that could implode anyday because of injuries would also set us up horribly to look like big fools....Teams in todays NBA want good young prospects, picks or expiring contracts in trades not IQ/Yak level players on big deals...

Just badly managed atm and we have been badly managed since the title....

Suggs is making 30M per year and Keegan Murray 28M.
This is the new standard now for starters.

[Duffman100]

Who would want IQ/Yak two players that are not all stars but making all star money?....They are just mid level starters and IQ is not even a starting PG....hes more of a 6th man making starting PG money....

No smart GM would want these contracts in todays NBA an expiring contract to just get off big money is more valuable to teams now than these guys on big contracts with meh contributions...We are stuck with IQ/Yak until they expire or expiring contracts so all we can do is hope they play well for now.

As for RJ you are possibly losing him because we might not have enough money to give him the deal he would want because of the IQ/Yak deals which RJ is the one who actually deserves the big contract over these two guys which will be a shame....

No team is taking these contracts off our hands and also trading picks away with a team that could implode anyday because of injuries would also set us up horribly to look like big fools....Teams in todays NBA want good young prospects, picks or expiring contracts in trades not IQ/Yak level players on big deals...

Just badly managed atm and we have been badly managed since the title....

I don't think either are all star money.

[sidsid]

Only team I can see taking Poeltl is Warriors. Need for a big, short window of opportunity = desperation, nobody wants Kuminga except Sacramento who have nothing GS wants.

Raptors would actually have a need for Monk’s skill set and would cut 2 years off Poeltl’s deal.

Feels like we would have already gotten some smoke around this in rumours if it had traction, but yes, that's your other possibility. 3 teamer where they get what they want and we get Sabonis. Likely want more assets to take on term, though.

[bballsparkin]

It’s not rocket science. It’s hard to believe after 2019 that Masai could do wrong, but this has been obvious. IQ’s contract was based on complete hope and wishful thinking and an irresponsible risk. Peoltl’s extension is a pretty much in excusable act of self harm by Bobby. It was a year early for a 30 yr old big with back problems.

We should accept that, take it in the chin and just try and win the most games we can. If that meant IQ comes off the bench and maybe Gradey doesn’t play anymore, be open to it. Stop paying now again for past mistakes to retrieve some sunk cost

Why not keep developing? This draft is strong. I don't think Gradey is hurting the team as much as some of you think. Sure sometimes he **** the bed. Pull him when so. I don't think the Raptors have much chance making the top 3 in the East. If they can hold onto the 4th or 5th position that would be a very successful season by my standards. Pick around 20th where they currently stand and maybe get a nice addition to the team.

[Clutch0z24]

Who would want IQ/Yak two players that are not all stars but making all star money?....They are just mid level starters and IQ is not even a starting PG....hes more of a 6th man making starting PG money....

No smart GM would want these contracts in todays NBA an expiring contract to just get off big money is more valuable to teams now than these guys on big contracts with meh contributions...We are stuck with IQ/Yak until they expire or expiring contracts so all we can do is hope they play well for now.

As for RJ you are possibly losing him because we might not have enough money to give him the deal he would want because of the IQ/Yak deals which RJ is the one who actually deserves the big contract over these two guys which will be a shame....

No team is taking these contracts off our hands and also trading picks away with a team that could implode anyday because of injuries would also set us up horribly to look like big fools....Teams in todays NBA want good young prospects, picks or expiring contracts in trades not IQ/Yak level players on big deals...

Just badly managed atm and we have been badly managed since the title....

I don't think either are all star money.

If you were to pay this kind of money you would want the player to at least be near all star production is all im saying.....These two are not producing at the value they are being paid simple as that.....Hurts you on the trade market and as a team so its a negative either way...

Unmoveable players, We prolly do not have enough to resign either Mamu/Barrett so you are forced to try and move the positive players on the team for some kind of value back or you lose them for nothing.....Not good management leads to bad moves...

[Vampirate]

The Raptors seriously need to just clean house, but won't be able to do it for 3 years.

[Psubs]

We need to make a Greivis Vasquez type of trade with Ochai Agbaji.

I'm not picky. Any expiring and a decent 2nd pick for Ochai and the Lakers 2nd pick.

[Clutch0z24]

The Raptors seriously need to just clean house, but won't be able to do it for 3 years.

This is just a product of a rushed build around Barnes....Thats what it is....They didn't have patience or forward thinking when it came to the future of building around Barnes at all...Tried to put a winning team around Siakam all while trying to also rebuild around Barnes....They were stuck trying to build in two timelines instead of focusing on one and trying to do the best they can in that one timeline which ultimatly ended up in mediocrity.

They will not be able to clean house and will be stuck in mediocrity for the next 3-5 years...By that time Barnes will be ready to leave Toronto and go to a florida team like Miami or Orlando and we will have to start over again anyways....Don't think this era of Raptors basketball will be the best one but all we can hope for is hits in the draft....But again picking in the 20s potentially does not lead to good results in the draft either....Tough spot to be in...

I just hope our front office after Bobby gets fired eventually has the forward thinking and actually gets a ton of assets for Barnes for the eventual rebuild instead of losing him for nothing like Carter/Bosh.....If things do not look on the up and up in 2 or so years you have to have that discussion about moving Barnes before his contract is dwindling and he has a say where he ends up....You want to extract as much value out of him as you can....

[PushDaRock]

just means that a 3rd team is needed to offload Poeltl. Send him to Chicago and send Kevin Huerter to the Kings and we get Sabonis for RJ straight up.

Why would the Bulls take Poeltl?

They're also looking at a bunch of cap space options next year.

The RJ rumours almost certainly centered around moving off the Patrick Williams contract early.

I think you could get a good pick asset out of the Bulls with Jak for him which you could reroute as value in a 3 teamer, but I doubt there's an expiring out there for him.

Basically no one wants to pay anyone

We don't really need to do anything other than a minor move to duck the tax most likely.

Things will eventually balance themselves out when they have swung so far in the other direction. Everyone just wants guys on rookie deals and legit Stars on Max Contracts and dunking on everything else in between. There's no need to panic and offload our players in this type of market.

[Vampirate]

The Raptors seriously need to just clean house, but won't be able to do it for 3 years.

This is just a product of a rushed build around Barnes....Thats what it is....They didn't have patience or forward thinking when it came to the future of building around Barnes at all...Tried to put a winning team around Siakam all while trying to also rebuild around Barnes....They were stuck trying to build in two timelines instead of focusing on one and trying to do the best they can in that one timeline which ultimatly ended up in mediocrity.

They will not be able to clean house and will be stuck in mediocrity for the next 3-5 years...By that time Barnes will be ready to leave Toronto and go to a florida team like Miami or Orlando and we will have to start over again anyways....Don't think this era of Raptors basketball will be the best one but all we can hope for is hits in the draft....But again picking in the 20s potentially does not lead to good results in the draft either....Tough spot to be in...

I just hope our front office after Bobby gets fired eventually has the forward thinking and actually gets a ton of assets for Barnes for the eventual rebuild instead of losing him for nothing like Carter/Bosh.....If things do not look on the up and up in 2 or so years you have to have that discussion about moving Barnes before his contract is dwindling and he has a say where he ends up....You want to extract as much value out of him as you can....

Obviously you can't build around Barnes, but if we had just pushed the reset button much earlier and tried, it would have proven that Barnes isn't a #1 option, we'd likely get higher draft pick position going forwards, and we wouldn't give Barnes the max.

In other words we should have thrown Barnes to the sharks (much earlier) like Cade had to to see if he could swim, and go on from there.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

It’s not rocket science. It’s hard to believe after 2019 that Masai could do wrong, but this has been obvious. IQ’s contract was based on complete hope and wishful thinking and an irresponsible risk. Peoltl’s extension is a pretty much in excusable act of self harm by Bobby. It was a year early for a 30 yr old big with back problems.

We should accept that, take it in the chin and just try and win the most games we can. If that meant IQ comes off the bench and maybe Gradey doesn’t play anymore, be open to it. Stop paying now again for past mistakes to retrieve some sunk cost

Why not keep developing? This draft is strong. I don't think Gradey is hurting the team as much as some of you think. Sure sometimes he **** the bed. Pull him when so. I don't think the Raptors have much chance making the top 3 in the East. If they can hold onto the 4th or 5th position that would be a very successful season by my standards. Pick around 20th where they currently stand and maybe get a nice addition to the team.

I’d prefer a credible shot to win a round, and to do that we’ll need every extra advantage we can find and won’t have a margin big enough to be spotting points. In a playoff series, we’re already gonna be needing more play making to keep the offense going. JaKobe defends better, Battle shoots better. If something happens and he gets to play and he plays well and he’ll play more. But the splitting of the minutes between too many mouths makes it too hard for anyone to go off or build a role or catch a rhythm.

The coaches don’t seem to trust Gradey defensively. He’s got the most easiest matchups in the NBA I think I saw recently.

Over the time, he’s a frantic defender lately but he’s just been an average -ish shooter.

I wish we could have his option back, actually.

[sidsid]

Why would the Bulls take Poeltl?

They're also looking at a bunch of cap space options next year.

The RJ rumours almost certainly centered around moving off the Patrick Williams contract early.

I think you could get a good pick asset out of the Bulls with Jak for him which you could reroute as value in a 3 teamer, but I doubt there's an expiring out there for him.

Basically no one wants to pay anyone

We don't really need to do anything other than a minor move to duck the tax most likely.

Things will eventually balance themselves out when they have swung so far in the other direction. Everyone just wants guys on rookie deals and legit Stars on Max Contracts and dunking on everything else in between. There's no need to panic and offload our players in this type of market.

Yes. Patience would be the right choice where you maximize value with short, value contracts you can leverage in future trades, but that's not what the FO wants to do. They want AD; they want Sabonis, they want a different point guard, but those teams don't want our contracts so that's why it likely won't happen. The FO wants to panic. The market just won't oblige.