Official Bargnani Discussion Thread

Joker · Post #61 » by **Joker** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:10 pm

Tommy Gun wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

If he can make moves to mitigate the bust, like Dumars did with the Pistons, then no one will care. How often do Pistons fans bash DUmars for drafting Darko?

In other words, Colangelo has to win a championship to redeem himself :lol:

emfive · Post #62 » by **emfive** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:11 pm

Joker wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

In other words, Colangelo has to win a championship to redeem himself

Doesn't every GM?

dagger · Post #63 » by **dagger** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:12 pm

[quote="AfricanSensation"][/quote]

My agenda is the Raptors' success, PERIOD. For some here, I conclude that it is not. They revel in our failures, and are silent when somebody really does something good.

The difference between Superscrub and myself is that I don't start DAILY threads to press my agenda. Let's say Bargnani has a good game on Friday. Do you think I'm going to start a thread about it? No, I will post a comment in the game thread, if I post at all.

There is a big difference between treating issues in context and lifting things out of proportion.

Joker · Post #64 » by **Joker** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:13 pm

emfive wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Doesn't every GM?

No, not really. If Colangelo drafted Rodney Carney but missed the opportunity to draft Milsap, I don't think anybody would be saying "This is his legacy."

Post #65 » by **TheDoctor** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:14 pm

I was looking at the sophomore stats yesterday, thinking about the rookie-sophomore game and its just brutal.

Gay, Aldridge and Roy are legit NBA players, and playing at at least a secondary star level already.

Bargs & Tyrus Thomas have shown flashes, but have been far from consistent and still look like projects.

Brewer, Rondo, Azubuike, Foye (pre-injury), Craig Smith have been solid but unspectacular players so far.

Farmar, Lowry, Gibson, Millsap, Shawne Williams have contributed, but aren't looking like stars. Shelden was in that category last year, but has taken a back seat this time around.

Morrison has been horrible, and then hurt.

O'Bryant, Sene, Redick, Sefolosha, Simmons, Carney have all been disappointments.

By and large, a pretty bad looking draft, but we'll see as more guys develop.

Joker · Post #66 » by **Joker** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:14 pm

dagger wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

My agenda is the Raptors' success, PERIOD. For some here, I conclude that it is not. They revel in our failures, and are silent when somebody really does something good.

The difference between Superscrub and myself is that I don't start DAILY threads to press my agenda. Let's say Bargnani has a good game on Friday. Do you think I'm going to start a thread about it? No, I will post a comment in the game thread, if I post at all.

There is a big difference between treating issues in context and lifting things out of proportion.

The stats that supersub has posted have been collective regular season stats. He's not picking Bargnani apart based on one particular game.

Post #67 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:15 pm

My European Basketball knowledge is rather limited so perhaps someone can help me out?

Did Bargnani play Center in Europe?

Platapie · Post #68 » by **Platapie** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:16 pm

Ok, his rebounding is terrible. We heard this 2 games ago. We heard this last game. Can we now stop with it, or is this going to be a game by game thing?

If so, I'm going to start posting threads analyzing how Wallace and Shaq can't shoot free throws and post it daily.

Komodo · Post #69 » by **Komodo** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:16 pm

dagger, what are your opinions on Bargnani's lack of intensity when it comes it rebounding?

WD-40 · Post #70 » by **WD-40** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:16 pm

Oh well, what can you do but keep playing the kid. I'm not going to worry about it. You have to play your first pick. To booster value at all costs. People always dissing Maurizio. He put his name on the line in the NBA over Bargs. And he's cold chillin like a villian while Realgm fans get their panties all bunched up.

AfricanSensation · Post #71 » by **AfricanSensation** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:17 pm

When Kapono passed Kerr to become the best 3pt shooter of all time I posted a thread on it. Now Bargs is top 10 all time worst rebounder over 6'10, thats news too.

Which rule says we should only post poisitive info to be Raps fans? Thats being a homer not a fan.

Many times I questionned how bad Bargs rebounding ranks in the league and in history. I was not the only one. SS did the research for us like he does on anything stat related, but since its not a positive stat we should bash him?

deknow · Post #72 » by **deknow** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:17 pm

El Presidente wrote:OK, Bargnani sucks at rebounding. Tell me something that I can't know by watching a game. No offense SS but I'm a little tired of the "this is how bad Bargs sucks" threads.

Supergeek15

dagger · Post #73 » by **dagger** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:19 pm

Joker wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The stats that supersub has posted have been collective regular season stats. He's not picking Bargnani apart based on one particular game.

He's picking Bargnani apart by posting a new thread almost every day. He doesn't even bump up an old thread.

And strangely enough, SuperScrub doesn't like posting in threads other people start, only in those he starts, because he's an attention whore to boot.

Platapie · Post #74 » by **Platapie** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:19 pm

Which rule says we should only post poisitive info to be Raps fans? Thats being a homer not a fan.

What positive info is on this board? Looking at the first page I see one positive thing, that Ford will be back. The other threads are generally garbage, with two threads whining about 1. rebounding, and 2. 3 pt defensive efficiency.

This board is awash in negativity and I just simply don't get it. When this team loses, people cry about how much it sucks. When they win, we point to the things that didn't go well in the game.

It's ludicrous.

C Court · Post #75 » by **C Court** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:21 pm

dagger wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

My agenda is the Raptors' success, PERIOD. For some here, I conclude that it is not. They revel in our failures, and are silent when somebody really does something good.

The difference between Superscrub and myself is that I don't start DAILY threads to press my agenda. Let's say Bargnani has a good game on Friday. Do you think I'm going to start a thread about it? No, I will post a comment in the game thread, if I post at all.

There is a big difference between treating issues in context and lifting things out of proportion.

Agree 10000%.

I posted in the game thread that negativity towards Bargs, TJ and others seems to drive many posters and winning games seems to be of secondary importance. Seems very odd, but thats RealGM for 'ya.

Also, you're right. You're not starting daily threads or making voluminous posts on the topic, so the 'agenda pushing' comment directed at you is not valid.

Komodo · Post #76 » by **Komodo** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:22 pm

dagger wrote:He's picking Bargnani apart by posting a new thread almost every day. He doesn't even bump up an old thread.

And strangely enough, SuperScrub doesn't like posting in threads other people start, only in those he starts, because he's an attention whore to boot.

It's not like people are scrutinizing a player for not doing X at a certain level when they don't have the physical ability to do so. Bargnani shows no intensity to rebound, and he's no midget so what's the deal? He's timid. I want to see the fire in him that MG sold us on last year. Where the hell is Maurizio now? **** bastard.

Raptorsrock · Post #77 » by **Raptorsrock** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:23 pm

Platapie wrote:
Which rule says we should only post poisitive info to be Raps fans? Thats being a homer not a fan.

What positive info is on this board? Looking at the first page I see one positive thing, that Ford will be back. The other threads are generally garbage, with two threads whining about 1. rebounding, and 2. 3 pt defensive efficiency.

This board is awash in negativity and I just simply don't get it. When this team loses, people cry about how much it sucks. When they win, we point to the things that didn't go well in the game.

It's ludicrous.

Raps fans have slowly turned into Leafs-type fans. Leafs fans are the biggest losers in sports. Just tune into a Leaf call in show on the FAN for proof. Nowadays you can't tell the difference between the two groups in how they act. Which is very sad.

C Court · Post #78 » by **C Court** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:25 pm

Platapie wrote:
Which rule says we should only post poisitive info to be Raps fans? Thats being a homer not a fan.

What positive info is on this board? Looking at the first page I see one positive thing, that Ford will be back. The other threads are generally garbage, with two threads whining about 1. rebounding, and 2. 3 pt defensive efficiency.

This board is awash in negativity and I just simply don't get it. When this team loses, people cry about how much it sucks. When they win, we point to the things that didn't go well in the game.

It's ludicrous.

This is the best post of the year!!!!

I made the same observation in last night's post game thread.

The Raptors beat Philly by 13 points and in the opening pages of the PG thread there were few positive posts. For god sakes, the Raptors WON and yet most posts were negative about Bargs, Bosh and rebounding.

It defies logic.

Raptorsrock is correct. Raptors fans have become as pathetic as Leafs fans.

emfive · Post #79 » by **emfive** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:30 pm

Joker wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No, not really. If Colangelo drafted Rodney Carney but missed the opportunity to draft Milsap, I don't think anybody would be saying "This is his legacy."

I think you missed my point. I think a GM's legacy is eventually measured by successes in winning and losing. A draft mishap here or there will mean very little. When looking at the most celebrated legends in the NBA (or any sport for that matter) championships matter.

Platapie · Post #80 » by **Platapie** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:34 pm

Nowadays you can't tell the difference between the two groups in how they act. Which is very sad.

Leaf fans (which I am one) have an excuse, we're 27th in the league and have no real youth to speak of. The team is garbage and is in the same position as the Raptors were 2 years ago-- meddling Peddie and a puppet useless GM.

The Raptors of 2 years ago deserved this crap, yet 2 years ago things were more positive than they are today, which is mind boggling because that team TRULY sucked and truly had no future. This one, despite its shortcomings is fun to watch, has a future and is still a work in progress. I attend at least 30 Raptor games a year, and I look forward to every single one of them-- I cannot say I would feel the same 2 years ago nor would I want to watch the horrific crap the Leafs put on the ice.

It defies logic.

It's amazing how "contrarian" has become the norm.