2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

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2014 L.A. Clippers Mini-Combine Measurements Released

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May 27, 2014
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-Los Angeles Clippers Mini-Combine Recap and Analysis
Notable Results
-Scottie Wilbekin ran what would have ranked as the 2nd fastest ¾ court time recorded at the NBA combine. Wilbekin's lane agility time would have placed him 2nd as well, which coupled with his above average 38.5 inch maximum vertical leap, 4.4% body fat measurement, and 12 reps on the bench, make him one of the more well-rounded athletes in this draft class.

-Harvard's Kyle Casey recorded the top maximum vertical leap at the Clippers combine with a jump of 41 inches, which would have ranked 6th at the NBA Combine. Marquette's Jamil Wilson and California's Richard Solomon turned in the top standing vertical leap with a jump of 36 inches, which would have ranked 3rd in Chicago. The only two players with higher standing verticals were Markel Brown and Glenn Robinson.

-Eric Moreland was one of the winners of the Clippers' combine, measuring 6'10.25 in shoes with a 7'3.5 wingspan and the biggest hands of any player measured so far during the 2014 Draft process. His hand width was an even foot, which is simply astounding.

I always thought Scottie Wilbekin was a great prospect. If he goes undrafted I would give him a chance on our summer league squad just to see how he did.

[sweetcity]

#1 Wiggins
#2 Embid
#3 Exum
#4 Parker
#5 Vonieh
#6 Smart
#7 Saric
#8 Randle
#9 Anderson
#10 Gordon
#11 Staukas
#12 Capela
#13 Nuric
#14 McDermott
#15 LaVine
#16 Porzingis
#17 Harris
#18 Payton
#19 Ennis
#20 Inglis
#21 Payne
#22 Young
#23 Warren
#24 McDaniels
#25 Grant
#26 Hood
#27 Hairston
#28 Bogdanovic
#29 Austin
#30 Early

I think most of the Euro's should be ranked higher if you are ranking LaVine high because of potential players like Porzingis, Inglis, Bogdanovic, Nuric, Saric and Capela should be ranked higher. Interesting to see others rankings.

i think you did a good job, i'd move smart back and maybe even gary harris

[ballislife]

The hate for Anderson really revolves around his lack of athleticism, but I think he has potential to make a great impact with his size and length along with his playmaking ability and his high ball IQ. He reminds me a lot of Paul Pierce with his slow-mo game. He's more of a facilitator, and less of a scorer. Turkey-doo in his best years is what I see of Anderson. A very big SF that can handle the ball and distribute... he'll have a great career if he can do that and stay away from Turkey's lack of desire.

KA would be a nice addition to our team, you can always use ball distribution and that's what he's best at with his size. He'll have to improve his jump shot, and his ability to play physically to make up for his lack of athleticism, but it's very promising seeing how he is at his age. I'd be ecstatic if he fell to us and we drafted him. A lot of potential.

I wouldn't want a player like Turkoglu though. He averaged relatively the same numbers in Toronto as he did in Orlando. The reason he looked useless was because Jose ran the point MUCH more effectively than Turk. In Phoenix, he looked even worse because of their high octane offense.

In Orlando, he had peak Dwight anchoring the defense and being a load in the paint on offense while being surrounded by 3 point shooters. Jameer's not good at running the offense, so it didn't look worse when the ball was in Turk's hands.

Hedo was a volume player who wasn't synergetic with a well-run offensive team.

I see what you mean, but you also have to consider the fact that Turk was playing for a contract. He mailed it in and didn't give two sh*ts after he got the big deal that he's still reaping the benefits of it. He got traded to the Suns and you saw him not care (even more). Then he went back to the Magic and he didn't give two craps because he had his money. Now he's in LA with the Clips barely playing minutes because he doesn't care to. He got his big money, now he's making less to keep him in the league, but he still doesn't care.

Anderson can be better than Turk. He's shown a lot of improvement with his jumper over the past few years, and he's an excellent distributor with elite size. He's a guy that can easily grab the board and run the O on the break by himself. He still manages a lot of shots over guys in the post because he's so much bigger.

With the right organization that hones in on his skill set and improves his physique, he can be a really good player in the league. There's not many guys that come out of a good college program running the team at the SF spot. He has a very high BBIQ, and that's the most attractive aspect of his game. He's young, and he has time to really improve the jumper. If he gets a respectable open 3 ball on a consistent basis, he's going to valuable to any team.

With our team, we emphasize ball movement and he's a guy that will get that going no matter what. All he needs to do is really get a good 3 point shot and he's shown that he's been working on it and improving it. McKechnie can work on his physical attributes, so I'm not all that concerned with that part. He could be the BPA at the #20 spot just based on his IQ with his size.

Inglis is another guy that I'm very intrigued with because of his size and his ball handling/passing at the 3 spot. But I don't think he has the same level IQ to make some of the passes that Anderson can make. I don't know, but I'd be happy if we got KA and worked on him to become a better overall specimen at the 3 spot. He has potential to be very good, it depends on our organization though. His pace of play and IQ is Pierce-esque.

[Volcano]

Porzingis's shot blocking rate in Spain is higher than Ibaka's was at the same age.

Some Celtic fans from another board want him at #17..they compared his frame to Joakim at the same age:



although I think Porz is taller/longer

[Dr Positivity]

I'll say it again...why not thisJusuf Nurkic kid? 6'11 and 280 with touch. You can't teach size.

Because he'll likely be gone by the time we pick.

And a C who's effectively Jonas except strength/length reversed, would be a weird fit

[Dukenukem23]

Porzingis's shot blocking rate in Spain is higher than Ibaka's was at the same age.

Some Celtic fans from another board want him at #17..they compared his frame to Joakim at the same age:



although I think Porz is taller/longer

Poring is another prospect I really want. I think this draft has several very high end role players that could fill out our roster on the cheap. I hope Masai acquires another pick or two in the 16-28 range, that's where the sweet spot is.

[OAKLEY_2]

I think we need to take kyle anderson with the 20th pick. His ball handling and play making ability would be huge, in relieving pressure off kyle and demar. It cant hurt to have a willing passer for jonas on his rolls as well. I like his game its smooth and methodical. Has an old man game to him meaning he makes the right play and has to rely on b ball iq. Has good size and has good enough athleticism to be an impact player at the 3 for us. Hopefully Ross will add some weight this summer and add to his game so we can have our stopper and play maker at the 3.

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I also like Anderson a great deal. I think he's a gamer. He can control and impact the flow of the game and I think he's got too much love and acumen for the game not to improve his body as the years go. He should take away the need to play two 1s together for ball security. Can he beat out Fields in the rotation with his slo-mo rookie defence? Maybe, maybe not.

There are a few Anderson haters that are about to come out and flame away at you for speaking highly of Anderson. You have to be an elite athlete to succeed in the NBA apparently. Lol

Yes I wonder how many 7'3 wingspans have been busts?

[Indeed]

I also like Anderson a great deal. I think he's a gamer. He can control and impact the flow of the game and I think he's got too much love and acumen for the game not to improve his body as the years go. He should take away the need to play two 1s together for ball security. Can he beat out Fields in the rotation with his slo-mo rookie defence? Maybe, maybe not.

There are a few Anderson haters that are about to come out and flame away at you for speaking highly of Anderson. You have to be an elite athlete to succeed in the NBA apparently. Lol

The hate for Anderson really revolves around his lack of athleticism, but I think he has potential to make a great impact with his size and length along with his playmaking ability and his high ball IQ. He reminds me a lot of Paul Pierce with his slow-mo game. He's more of a facilitator, and less of a scorer. Turkey-doo in his best years is what I see of Anderson. A very big SF that can handle the ball and distribute... he'll have a great career if he can do that and stay away from Turkey's lack of desire.

KA would be a nice addition to our team, you can always use ball distribution and that's what he's best at with his size. He'll have to improve his jump shot, and his ability to play physically to make up for his lack of athleticism, but it's very promising seeing how he is at his age. I'd be ecstatic if he fell to us and we drafted him. A lot of potential.

Defense is an issue, particularly playing along with DeRozan.
I cannot imagine our SG and SF cannot defend their man at clutch. Neither is a sharpshooter to space the floor.

[Indeed]

Porzingis's shot blocking rate in Spain is higher than Ibaka's was at the same age.

Some Celtic fans from another board want him at #17..they compared his frame to Joakim at the same age:



although I think Porz is taller/longer

I feel Porzingis is better off playing PF. I hope he maintain his quickness.

[thunderforce]

That is the problem , we won't get a SF that can do it all at 20 so what is more important being able to defend or being able to shoot . That's why some of us like Inglis he can do just about everything but 3 point shooting and since he is basically 18 he can improve on that too .

[DellCurry4Life]

There are a few Anderson haters that are about to come out and flame away at you for speaking highly of Anderson. You have to be an elite athlete to succeed in the NBA apparently. Lol

The hate for Anderson really revolves around his lack of athleticism, but I think he has potential to make a great impact with his size and length along with his playmaking ability and his high ball IQ. He reminds me a lot of Paul Pierce with his slow-mo game. He's more of a facilitator, and less of a scorer. Turkey-doo in his best years is what I see of Anderson. A very big SF that can handle the ball and distribute... he'll have a great career if he can do that and stay away from Turkey's lack of desire.

KA would be a nice addition to our team, you can always use ball distribution and that's what he's best at with his size. He'll have to improve his jump shot, and his ability to play physically to make up for his lack of athleticism, but it's very promising seeing how he is at his age. I'd be ecstatic if he fell to us and we drafted him. A lot of potential.

Defense is an issue, particularly playing along with DeRozan.
I cannot imagine our SG and SF cannot defend their man at clutch. Neither is a sharpshooter to space the floor.

That pretty much sums it up for Anderson. He might have a good career, but if you are a slow defender you need to be a crafty/smart one. Not sure if Anderson fits that bill. Offensively would be a nice addition, but lack of shooting really saps his value from this team.

If we end up with a wing at this choice GR3 isn't a bad option. good defender, smart player, athletic and a good shooter (% wasnt great from 3, but mechanics and fundamentals are there).

For the 1st pick I am just interested to see what prospect ends up falling. There is always 1 in a draft.

[Ackshun]

As always, Casey will have his say on draft night.

He likes his gritty defenders. I just don't see the fit with Anderson.

I like Porz, but like INDEED, I fear he puts on weight and loses the quickness. Obviously his quickness helps him tremendously moving up and down the court, and getting up above the rim.

[Anatomize]

The hate for Anderson really revolves around his lack of athleticism, but I think he has potential to make a great impact with his size and length along with his playmaking ability and his high ball IQ. He reminds me a lot of Paul Pierce with his slow-mo game. He's more of a facilitator, and less of a scorer. Turkey-doo in his best years is what I see of Anderson. A very big SF that can handle the ball and distribute... he'll have a great career if he can do that and stay away from Turkey's lack of desire.

KA would be a nice addition to our team, you can always use ball distribution and that's what he's best at with his size. He'll have to improve his jump shot, and his ability to play physically to make up for his lack of athleticism, but it's very promising seeing how he is at his age. I'd be ecstatic if he fell to us and we drafted him. A lot of potential.

Defense is an issue, particularly playing along with DeRozan.
I cannot imagine our SG and SF cannot defend their man at clutch. Neither is a sharpshooter to space the floor.

That pretty much sums it up for Anderson. He might have a good career, but if you are a slow defender you need to be a crafty/smart one. Not sure if Anderson fits that bill. Offensively would be a nice addition, but lack of shooting really saps his value from this team.

If we end up with a wing at this choice GR3 isn't a bad option. good defender, smart player, athletic and a good shooter (% wasnt great from 3, but mechanics and fundamentals are there).

For the 1st pick I am just interested to see what prospect ends up falling. There is always 1 in a draft.

Generally the past few years when players have fallen its been with good reason and it seems teams scouting/medical reports fit the bill. Blair/Arthur come to mind. Decent role players at this point who were initially pegged very high and slipped much further. On the other end of the spectrum, Isaiah Thomas got picked 50th overall, insane.

[cammac]

That is the problem , we won't get a SF that can do it all at 20 so what is more important being able to defend or being able to shoot . That's why some of us like Inglis he can do just about everything but 3 point shooting and since he is basically 18 he can improve on that too .

Yes Anderson can't shoot 50% on 2s and 50% on 3s really suck I don't know if Anderson will be a success no one does but rather him at SF likely not good defense but being a great play maker, great assists, great rebounder as a point forward than Vasquez who is now just all offense and a net negative. Play Ross at SG or Vince, Livingston as PG , Patterson PF and Bachynski or Jonas as C great second unit. When he grows gets stronger goes to PF.

But really love Porzingis love potential of Baltic twin towers he can be much more Dirk like than Bargs.

[IMAN5]

I wonder if Saric will even come to the NBA, and if he will meet the hype.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Only about 30 players from every draft make it to their second contract. And a lot of those guys are bench fodder. Ranking top 30 is kind of a difficult task in that context. You're basically guessing from 20-30 who will last as a scrub.

[DellCurry4Life]

Defense is an issue, particularly playing along with DeRozan.
I cannot imagine our SG and SF cannot defend their man at clutch. Neither is a sharpshooter to space the floor.

That pretty much sums it up for Anderson. He might have a good career, but if you are a slow defender you need to be a crafty/smart one. Not sure if Anderson fits that bill. Offensively would be a nice addition, but lack of shooting really saps his value from this team.

If we end up with a wing at this choice GR3 isn't a bad option. good defender, smart player, athletic and a good shooter (% wasnt great from 3, but mechanics and fundamentals are there).

For the 1st pick I am just interested to see what prospect ends up falling. There is always 1 in a draft.

Generally the past few years when players have fallen its been with good reason and it seems teams scouting/medical reports fit the bill. Blair/Arthur come to mind. Decent role players at this point who were initially pegged very high and slipped much further. On the other end of the spectrum, Isaiah Thomas got picked 50th overall, insane.

For sure. But sometimes these red flags are way overblown (Perry Jones last year). That and you know there will be a sleeper/reach pick or two (Lavine, Peyton, etc.) that can push down a talented player or two.

[thunderforce]

That is the problem , we won't get a SF that can do it all at 20 so what is more important being able to defend or being able to shoot . That's why some of us like Inglis he can do just about everything but 3 point shooting and since he is basically 18 he can improve on that too .

Yes Anderson can't shoot 50% on 2s and 50% on 3s really suck I don't know if Anderson will be a success no one does but rather him at SF likely not good defense but being a great play maker, great assists, great rebounder as a point forward than Vasquez who is now just all offense and a net negative. Play Ross at SG or Vince, Livingston as PG , Patterson PF and Bachynski or Jonas as C great second unit. When he grows gets stronger goes to PF.

But really love Porzingis love potential of Baltic twin towers he can be much more Dirk like than Bargs.

Anderson can shoot but is slow and can't defend , I don't think we will draft any player that can't defend . I think Casey would rather have a player that can't shoot but is strong defensively and with size .

[Kevin Willis]

As always, Casey will have his say on draft night.

He likes his gritty defenders. I just don't see the fit with Anderson.

I like Porz, but like INDEED, I fear he puts on weight and loses the quickness. Obviously his quickness helps him tremendously moving up and down the court, and getting up above the rim.

I agree with most of this:

- If they have a bunch of players in a tier they will pick the ones that match team philosophy. Common sense. That's why if they have Jeremi Grant and Kyle Anderson in the same tier they won't pick KA. Now if KA is in a higher tier that drops they might do what they did with Ed Davis and pick him just because he's a better ranked prospect. But overall Casey will have his say.
- Porzingis has a similar frame to Noah and Noah put on weight if you look at him now he's fine. Actually Noah is not a bad comparison. Except Porzingis can shoot the three and he doesn't have the same playmaking ability. We should compare Noah/Bosh/Porzingis/KG at 18 and draw our own conclusions on what type of player he will be in 5 years
- Lastly I believe Masai is looking for toughness and a strong wing defender. So if people are tiered up, he will look for players that fit.

[Ackshun]

As always, Casey will have his say on draft night.

He likes his gritty defenders. I just don't see the fit with Anderson.

I like Porz, but like INDEED, I fear he puts on weight and loses the quickness. Obviously his quickness helps him tremendously moving up and down the court, and getting up above the rim.

I agree with most of this:

- If they have a bunch of players in a tier they will pick the ones that match team philosophy. Common sense. That's why if they have Jeremi Grant and Kyle Anderson in the same tier they won't pick KA. Now if KA is in a higher tier that drops they might do what they did with Ed Davis and pick him just because he's a better ranked prospect. But overall Casey will have his say.
- Porzingis has a similar frame to Noah and Noah put on weight if you look at him now he's fine. Actually Noah is not a bad comparison. Except Porzingis can shoot the three and he doesn't have the same playmaking ability. We should compare Noah/Bosh/Porzingis/KG at 18 and draw our own conclusions on what type of player he will be in 5 years
- Lastly I believe Masai is looking for toughness and a strong wing defender. So if people are tiered up, he will look for players that fit.

Also, a lot of the upside for Porzingis is his mental make up. From the few videos I've seen, he seems willing to get his hands dirty.

As a Gator, Noah was that guy too.