Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

HumbleRen · Post #601 » by **HumbleRen** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 11:24 am

Should of just drafted Wagner if the FO never intended to rebuild.

dTox · Post #602 » by **dTox** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 12:26 pm

HumbleRen wrote:Should of just drafted Wagner if the FO never intended to rebuild.

Or was planning to hold on to Siakam, who plays the same damn position as Scott

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dTox · Post #603 » by **dTox** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 12:28 pm

Thaddy wrote:
Madvillainy2004 wrote:
Thaddy wrote:What improvements has Barnes made towards his game since last season?

His passing and thats literally it tbh lol

His efficiency rating went down, 2P% went way down, and his shooting is still bad. He looks worse on defense with the several blow bys he allows. I'd say he's regressed more than improved.

It's no coincidence this is due to us adding another big who takes up the paint in the SL. Now we have both Siakam and Poetl operating in Barnes' space that he usually likes to score from

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HumbleRen · Post #604 » by **HumbleRen** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 12:39 pm

dTox wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Should of just drafted Wagner if the FO never intended to rebuild.
Or was planning to hold on to Siakam, who plays the same damn position as Scott

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They built a horrendous roster man lol.

It’s a terrible fit for everyone aside from FVV because he has Poeltl now as a PNR partner.

Wise80 · Post #605 » by **Wise80** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 1:01 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
dTox wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Should of just drafted Wagner if the FO never intended to rebuild.
Or was planning to hold on to Siakam, who plays the same damn position as Scott

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They built a horrendous roster man lol.

It’s a terrible fit for everyone aside from FVV because he has Poeltl now as a PNR partner.

I don't know what to make of it. I never expected this management to build such a bad roster. In terms of talent and fit. But especially fit.

They basically said to hell with where the game is going and shunned shooting and playmaking, in favour of length.

Let's see what they do this off season. I wonder what they discovered this deadline in terms of what's out there for trades in the summer. They're not going to be sellers, but rather equal value swaps.

HumbleRen · Post #606 » by **HumbleRen** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 1:08 pm

Wise80 wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
dTox wrote:Or was planning to hold on to Siakam, who plays the same damn position as Scott

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They built a horrendous roster man lol.

It’s a terrible fit for everyone aside from FVV because he has Poeltl now as a PNR partner.

I don't know what to make of it. I never expected this management to build such a bad roster. In terms of talent and fit. But especially fit.

They basically said to hell with where the game is going and shunned shooting and playmaking, in favour of length.

Let's see what they do this off season. I wonder what they discovered this deadline in terms of what's out there for trades in the summer. They're not going to be sellers, but rather equal value swaps.

There’s going to be nothing out there for them unless they want to trade Scottie and OG for a star.

GTJ and FVV have no value due to being free agents. You’re never going to get equal value for them in the off season.

They screwed the pooch, it’s going to take YEARS to recover from their mistakes over the last 3 years.

goinrogue · Post #607 » by **goinrogue** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 4:47 pm

I could be wrong, but I think the rebuild will start next season. Masai wanted to give Nick one more chance by getting him a center but this team ain’t it. I think Scottie needs a coach who will design plays for him. Then make Scottie the number one option- you’ll see fourth quarter Scottie all game.

Losing 2024 pick hurts but we will get picks back in a pascal trade

Madvillainy2004 · Post #608 » by **Madvillainy2004** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:41 pm

dTox wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
Madvillainy2004 wrote:
His passing and thats literally it tbh lol

His efficiency rating went down, 2P% went way down, and his shooting is still bad. He looks worse on defense with the several blow bys he allows. I'd say he's regressed more than improved.
It's no coincidence this is due to us adding another big who takes up the paint in the SL. Now we have both Siakam and Poetl operating in Barnes' space that he usually likes to score from

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This isn't totally true Scottie was already shooting well below last season even pre Poeltl trade. Poeltl probably hasn't helped his offense but he's still played pretty bad regardless from a scoring standpoint.

Thaddy · Post #609 » by **Thaddy** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:58 pm

Madvillainy2004 wrote:
dTox wrote:
Thaddy wrote:His efficiency rating went down, 2P% went way down, and his shooting is still bad. He looks worse on defense with the several blow bys he allows. I'd say he's regressed more than improved.
It's no coincidence this is due to us adding another big who takes up the paint in the SL. Now we have both Siakam and Poetl operating in Barnes' space that he usually likes to score from

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This isn't totally true Scottie was already shooting well below last season even pre Poeltl trade. Poeltl probably hasn't helped his offense but he's still played pretty bad regardless from a scoring standpoint.

We should look to trade Barnes in the off-season IMO. We are really boxed into a situation where we have to compete or have a throw away season where we won't compete and likely treadmill. I don't know if we can rely on Barnes to be a first option due to his passive nature. He plays very soft and looks to be wary of contact. The FTA have improved slightly but not to the degree you would expect.

hype_2004 · Post #610 » by **hype_2004** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 6:06 pm

goinrogue wrote:I could be wrong, but I think the rebuild will start next season. Masai wanted to give Nick one more chance by getting him a center but this team ain’t it. I think Scottie needs a coach who will design plays for him. Then make Scottie the number one option- you’ll see fourth quarter Scottie all game.

Losing 2024 pick hurts but we will get picks back in a pascal trade

Pascal got to go, in 2 years we have seen Scottie take over in the clutch while Siakam **** the bed and make bonehead plays forcing shots one after another. It's clear as day Siakam has to go, get some shooters and 3 and D player to pair with Scottie. Ujiri delayed the inevitable thinking it could work but the way the roster is constructed changes need to be made in the offseason.

dcstanley · Post #611 » by **dcstanley** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 8:15 pm

Is he currently a better player than Giddey?

Los_29 · Post #612 » by **Los_29** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:24 pm

HumbleRen wrote:Should of just drafted Wagner if the FO never intended to rebuild.

Didn’t Scottie win ROTY? Lol.

HumbleRen · Post #613 » by **HumbleRen** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:36 pm

Los_29 wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Should of just drafted Wagner if the FO never intended to rebuild.

Didn’t Scottie win ROTY? Lol.

So did Ben Simmons and Malcolm Brogdon.

Los_29 · Post #614 » by **Los_29** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:41 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Should of just drafted Wagner if the FO never intended to rebuild.

Didn’t Scottie win ROTY? Lol.

So did Ben Simmons and Malcolm Brogdon.

What's your point? I don't even think you have a point because it makes absolutely no sense.

HumbleRen · Post #615 » by **HumbleRen** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:43 pm

Los_29 wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
Didn’t Scottie win ROTY? Lol.

So did Ben Simmons and Malcolm Brogdon.

What's your point? I don't even think you have a point because it makes absolutely no sense.

6’10 player who can score at 3 levels or 6’8 player who’s a 1 level scorer.

Who’s the better fit for a win now team that has no spacing.

I’ll let you think on it champ.

wegotthabeet · Post #616 » by **wegotthabeet** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:43 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Should of just drafted Wagner if the FO never intended to rebuild.

Didn’t Scottie win ROTY? Lol.

So did Ben Simmons and Malcolm Brogdon.

Brogdon was like 25 at the time. Simmons was living off the hype of being the first overall.

HumbleRen · Post #617 » by **HumbleRen** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:45 pm

wegotthabeet wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
Didn’t Scottie win ROTY? Lol.

So did Ben Simmons and Malcolm Brogdon.

Brogdon was like 25 at the time. Simmons was living off the hype of being the first overall.

Simmons was legit good lol. Light years ahead of Scottie in his first 2 years.

My point is, ROTY award is meaningless to bring up. It does not mean you’re going to be better than your peers for the years to come.

720 · Post #618 » by **720** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:52 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
So did Ben Simmons and Malcolm Brogdon.

Brogdon was like 25 at the time. Simmons was living off the hype of being the first overall.

Simmons was legit good lol. Light years ahead of Scottie in his first 2 years.

My point is, ROTY award is meaningless to bring up. It does not mean you’re going to be better than your peers for the years to come.

We also don’t treat him like the rookie of the year. I think at this point it’s obvious that Nurse, Masai, the staff in general view Barnes as like a 3rd/4th option type (which is why I guess they so heavily feature Siakam and Fred even though that core has a limited ceiling).

No other reason to not run plays for him, to not feature him in places he excels at (the block, short corner post up, high post, etc). And instead have have him be the corner sitter or dho and then dunkers spot/ wing spot up.

Part of it could be because Nurse doesn’t know how to run an offense but I genuinely think they don’t view him as a high ceiling guy and so don’t treat him like one.

wegotthabeet · Post #619 » by **wegotthabeet** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:52 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
So did Ben Simmons and Malcolm Brogdon.

Brogdon was like 25 at the time. Simmons was living off the hype of being the first overall.

Simmons was legit good lol. Light years ahead of Scottie in his first 2 years.

My point is, ROTY award is meaningless to bring up. It does not mean you’re going to be better than your peers for the years to come.

nah not even. light years? you sound dumb bruh. go trade for Wagner. haha.

HumbleRen · Post #620 » by **HumbleRen** » Thu Mar 9, 2023 9:58 pm

wegotthabeet wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
Brogdon was like 25 at the time. Simmons was living off the hype of being the first overall.

Simmons was legit good lol. Light years ahead of Scottie in his first 2 years.

My point is, ROTY award is meaningless to bring up. It does not mean you’re going to be better than your peers for the years to come.

nah not even. light years? you sound dumb bruh. go trade for Wagner. haha.

Yes even lol. A walking 16/8/8 guy with top 10 defence. Dont let the new Ben Simmons cloud your judgement on how good he was in his first 2 years.