ImageImageImageImageImage

2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

Moderators: 7 Footer, Morris_Shatford, DG88, niQ, Duffman100, tsherkin, Reeko, lebron stopper, HiJiNX

User avatar
OAKLEY_2
RealGM
Posts: 20,206
And1: 9,190
Joined: Dec 19, 2008

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#601 » by OAKLEY_2 » Wed Jun 5, 2024 8:40 pm

SpezNc wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Ware is the type that when gets to a certain level, he takes the foot off the gas pedal. Maybe he matures but if he doesn't get that 2nd efforts matter at next level, coaches will bench him. These are the hardest types to project.


Feel like a good challenge for Darko.

I think Darko would be perfect as a coach to get the max from him .


The whole thing starts with Eric Koury. Darko gets him year two. Centres do not really develop in 905 but Ware has the skills to be a 4-5 hybrid. Filipowski looks like a 4 and emergency 5 at best. Filipowski might be just like Sabonis who we trashed for T-rex wingspan. Sabonis who schooled Poetl in college has had a better career than Jak and Jak has done well as a starter. Honestly if we picked Edey or Carrington I'd be just as happy as picking Ware. Filipowski seems underwhelming with all that might be there. I am not predisposed to picking a centre. Still like McCain, Walter or Collier if they drop.
User avatar
OAKLEY_2
RealGM
Posts: 20,206
And1: 9,190
Joined: Dec 19, 2008

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#602 » by OAKLEY_2 » Wed Jun 5, 2024 8:47 pm

I was so hyped when OG dropped to us and then really developed. We should never lose a player like that but Paskal forced our hand. He trashed his trade market value to do the Full Freddie. We had to deal OG to save face. Mission accomplished.
ArthurVandelay
Head Coach
Posts: 6,563
And1: 6,302
Joined: Feb 10, 2023
 

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#603 » by ArthurVandelay » Wed Jun 5, 2024 9:32 pm

Dalek wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:Risacher apparently has a 6’7” wingspan… that would make him a t-Rex like Bane lol


I somehow want to doubt it when I look at him:

Read on Twitter


Where are you getting measurement data from? I am curious about Ajinca who also is supposed to have a negative wingspan.


I agree. I’m shocked. But a few draft people have said that now.
User avatar
TimeForChange
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,642
And1: 4,937
Joined: Dec 23, 2023

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#604 » by TimeForChange » Wed Jun 5, 2024 9:42 pm

Bruin wrote:Wonder how far he drops
Read on Twitter
?s=46

posted a tweet the other day that said he was more injured than his team was letting on. guess they were right.

wish we could search on this site so I could see what else that twitter account had to say :lol:
User avatar
WuTang_CMB
RealGM
Posts: 41,547
And1: 51,991
Joined: Sep 26, 2017
   

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#605 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Jun 5, 2024 9:46 pm

User avatar
TimeForChange
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,642
And1: 4,937
Joined: Dec 23, 2023

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#606 » by TimeForChange » Wed Jun 5, 2024 9:46 pm

TimeForChange wrote:
Read on Twitter


repost?

found it
alpngso
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,417
And1: 4,601
Joined: Apr 20, 2016

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#607 » by alpngso » Wed Jun 5, 2024 9:47 pm

Ryan Dunn working out with Knicks. He’d be so fun on the Knicks with Thibs
User avatar
CazOnReal
Starter
Posts: 2,069
And1: 1,627
Joined: Jan 13, 2024
 

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#608 » by CazOnReal » Wed Jun 5, 2024 10:01 pm

Indeed wrote:
At our pick, everyone we draft is most likely a backup role player, you aren't going to see a starter.

Literally more than half of the last 10 19th overall picks have become starter-level players so this is factually incorrect.
TimeForChange wrote:
Bruin wrote:Wonder how far he drops
Read on Twitter
?s=46

posted a tweet the other day that said he was more injured than his team was letting on. guess they were right.

wish we could search on this site so I could see what else that twitter account had to say :lol:

If I had a nickel for every time the Raptors selected a former lottery-projected talent with a late first as a result of said prospect suffering an ACL tear, i'd have 2 nickels.
User avatar
UnbelievablyRAW
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,824
And1: 4,589
Joined: Oct 29, 2011
     

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#609 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Wed Jun 5, 2024 10:10 pm

Walter had a pretty good BpM for how bad the numbers look. He’s a guy that might slip to our range but I haven’t really watched much of him because he used to be mocked closer to 10 I believe
"Above average role player is now being paid like a superstar from one good playoff series. This will end up as one of the worst contracts in the league." paulbball on Pascal Siakam
Mr.Raptorsingh
RealGM
Posts: 35,040
And1: 28,665
Joined: May 17, 2007
 

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#610 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Wed Jun 5, 2024 10:19 pm

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Walter had a pretty good BpM for how bad the numbers look. He’s a guy that might slip to our range but I haven’t really watched much of him because he used to be mocked closer to 10 I believe


He reminds me of Lonald Walker
Rapsfan07
RealGM
Posts: 15,005
And1: 6,042
Joined: Nov 19, 2010
 

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#611 » by Rapsfan07 » Wed Jun 5, 2024 10:37 pm

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Walter had a pretty good BpM for how bad the numbers look. He’s a guy that might slip to our range but I haven’t really watched much of him because he used to be mocked closer to 10 I believe


I probably wouldn't touch him for a few reasons:

1. I'm heavily biased against the Baylor program. They just don't usually produce quality NBA players.

2. Low efficiency at the college level is usually something that doesn't get better at the NBA level, where it's even harder to score.

3. We have Barrett locked in long term and just took Gradey Dick last year. With Walter being an SG, I feel it would be a waste of pick to take him as he doesn't appear to possess the kind of talent that you take irrespective of current roster construction.

I think at best he's probably a Tim Hardaway wing scorer or something along those lines. All of thr above considered, I think we can do a little better than that at #19.
Image
Raptorfan2012
Head Coach
Posts: 7,056
And1: 4,906
Joined: Mar 25, 2012

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#612 » by Raptorfan2012 » Wed Jun 5, 2024 10:38 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
alpngso wrote:
Bruin wrote:Wonder how far he drops
Read on Twitter
?s=46

Read on Twitter


Agent doesn’t think he drops based on the medical


OG did... from lotto to #23. Kaching. Same happened to Cam Whitmore.


Really have to do their research here. How bad are his injuries and whether it will affect his game long term. I doubt Masia wants to draft a guy who will be out for most of next season.
User avatar
BoyzNTheHood
Head Coach
Posts: 7,220
And1: 6,813
Joined: Apr 19, 2015

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#613 » by BoyzNTheHood » Wed Jun 5, 2024 10:52 pm

Raptorfan2012 wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:
alpngso wrote:
Read on Twitter


Agent doesn’t think he drops based on the medical


OG did... from lotto to #23. Kaching. Same happened to Cam Whitmore.


Really have to do their research here. How bad are his injuries and whether it will affect his game long term. I doubt Masia wants to draft a guy who will be out for most of next season.

That depends. Are we tanking next season for a good pick? If we are, Topic might not be a bad option. You essentially get 2 top-10 level picks coming onto your team the following season. That would be quite a shot in the arm!
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
Mr.Raptorsingh
RealGM
Posts: 35,040
And1: 28,665
Joined: May 17, 2007
 

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#614 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Wed Jun 5, 2024 11:07 pm

Topic could be a 10 APG guy in the NBA
User avatar
Indeed
RealGM
Posts: 21,738
And1: 3,624
Joined: Aug 21, 2009

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#615 » by Indeed » Wed Jun 5, 2024 11:36 pm

CazOnReal wrote:
Indeed wrote:
At our pick, everyone we draft is most likely a backup role player, you aren't going to see a starter.

Literally more than half of the last 10 19th overall picks have become starter-level players so this is factually incorrect.

You got to count those to me, as my count clearly shows the last 10 19th overall picks have been role player or 6th man off the bench.

In such a weak draft, we are lucky to get a rotation player.
Dalek
RealGM
Posts: 13,877
And1: 10,677
Joined: Jan 24, 2005
Location: At the elbow - dropping dimes
 

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#616 » by Dalek » Wed Jun 5, 2024 11:38 pm

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Walter had a pretty good BpM for how bad the numbers look. He’s a guy that might slip to our range but I haven’t really watched much of him because he used to be mocked closer to 10 I believe


For freshman in a tough conference he did well, although his play tailed off in conference play.

He's pretty good at creating his own shot and can score off pull-ups, off screens and movement. If I were to pick a comparison it could be Cam Thomas with some defensive potential. He didn't really show much if any playmaking because he was their scorer, and he isn't an explosive at the rim athlete but he gets to the freethrow line pretty often.

He seems like a wiry strong guy with a frame that should fill out and he looks like a three and d wing. He often says his favorite player is Kawhi Leonard. Frame-wise once he fills out he could look like Ochai Agbaji so a little small to be anything like Kawhi, but could be a strong two-way guy.

The reason he falls is the efficiency was just not there, kind of like how Keyonte George had moments at Baylor but his efficiency kind of killed his draft stock.
Risk101
General Manager
Posts: 9,311
And1: 19,388
Joined: Jun 25, 2013
 

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#617 » by Risk101 » Wed Jun 5, 2024 11:53 pm

I'm starting to believe more and more that Detroit is probably going to trade the number 5 pick.


They have to many young prospects to feed as it is. Would any trade package surrounding our guys work?
User avatar
CazOnReal
Starter
Posts: 2,069
And1: 1,627
Joined: Jan 13, 2024
 

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#618 » by CazOnReal » Wed Jun 5, 2024 11:53 pm

Indeed wrote:
CazOnReal wrote:
Indeed wrote:
At our pick, everyone we draft is most likely a backup role player, you aren't going to see a starter.

Literally more than half of the last 10 19th overall picks have become starter-level players so this is factually incorrect.

You got to count those to me, as my count clearly shows the last 10 19th overall picks have been role player or 6th man off the bench.

In such a weak draft, we are lucky to get a rotation player.

Brandin Podziemski - Too early to say but he's on that starter-caliber trajectory
Saddiq Bey - Starter-caliber if healthy (Big if but I digress)
Kevin Huerter - Starter-caliber...at least until the playoffs last year; he's been awful since but before that he was a starter-caliber SG and he still regularly started for the Kings
John Collins - Starter-caliber if a positionally confused player
Malik Beasley - Starter-caliber
Gary Harris - Starter-caliber in his healthy seasons
Risk101 wrote:I'm starting to believe more and more that Detroit is probably going to trade the number 5 pick.


They have to many young prospects to feed as it is. Would any trade package surrounding our guys work?

Wrong question to ask: Is there anyone on the Raptors you'd be willing to give up the 5th pick (I think scouts said it was the equivalent of like the 9th-13th pick in a regular draft) to acquire?
User avatar
OAKLEY_2
RealGM
Posts: 20,206
And1: 9,190
Joined: Dec 19, 2008

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#619 » by OAKLEY_2 » Thu Jun 6, 2024 12:14 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Raptorfan2012 wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:
OG did... from lotto to #23. Kaching. Same happened to Cam Whitmore.


Really have to do their research here. How bad are his injuries and whether it will affect his game long term. I doubt Masia wants to draft a guy who will be out for most of next season.

That depends. Are we tanking next season for a good pick? If we are, Topic might not be a bad option. You essentially get 2 top-10 level picks coming onto your team the following season. That would be quite a shot in the arm!


Yup. Actually there are teams ahead of us who cannot use Topic and there are teams, a few, that can wait out the risk and Portland and San Antonio have two picks each before us. He likely falls past SA at 8 and then who there to catch him and kiss good bye 2024-25 or to grab and rehab him. Not Memphis at 9 they got Ja and have needs but if looking for point guards who picks injured Topic over Carter or McCain? Jazz are a threat at 10 for sure. Bulls won't pick him with Lonzo eating cash in sick bay. OKC might take the flier. He really could fall to 19 if deemed to miss all of 2024-25. Collier screams plunge as well if Miami doesn't bite. Topic or Collier falling is a little draft luck thrown our way if were to occur. Espn has Tyler Smith falling to 31...? Two players falling to to us at both spots would be unreal.
User avatar
ForeverTFC
RealGM
Posts: 18,054
And1: 19,734
Joined: Dec 07, 2004
         

Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5 

Post#620 » by ForeverTFC » Thu Jun 6, 2024 12:27 am

CazOnReal wrote:
Indeed wrote:
CazOnReal wrote:Literally more than half of the last 10 19th overall picks have become starter-level players so this is factually incorrect.

You got to count those to me, as my count clearly shows the last 10 19th overall picks have been role player or 6th man off the bench.

In such a weak draft, we are lucky to get a rotation player.

Brandin Podziemski - Too early to say but he's on that starter-caliber trajectory
Saddiq Bey - Starter-caliber if healthy (Big if but I digress)
Kevin Huerter - Starter-caliber...at least until the playoffs last year; he's been awful since but before that he was a starter-caliber SG and he still regularly started for the Kings
John Collins - Starter-caliber if a positionally confused player
Malik Beasley - Starter-caliber
Gary Harris - Starter-caliber in his healthy seasons
Risk101 wrote:I'm starting to believe more and more that Detroit is probably going to trade the number 5 pick.


They have to many young prospects to feed as it is. Would any trade package surrounding our guys work?

Wrong question to ask: Is there anyone on the Raptors you'd be willing to give up the 5th pick (I think scouts said it was the equivalent of like the 9th-13th pick in a regular draft) to acquire?


Podz - needs time, but projects well
Saddiq Bet - Borderline starter on a bad team
Kevin Huerter - fine
John Collins - fine
Beasley - a vet min. guy is not "starter quality", otherwise he wouldn't be on a vet min
Garry Harris - yes

Excl. Podz, at best, you have 3 starters there, and I would say call both Collins and Huerter bubble starter level players.

Return to Toronto Raptors