Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[niQ]

Where do you all see CMB playing long term?

He isn't a guard, he's not a center and we already have Barnes/Ingram eating the minutes a SF/PF. He also can't play with Barnes.

Any thoughts?

Ideally, CMB is a 4.

[Clay Davis]

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[manjusaka]

Where do you all see CMB playing long term?

He isn't a guard, he's not a center and we already have Barnes/Ingram eating the minutes a SF/PF. He also can't play with Barnes.

Any thoughts?

Ideally, CMB is a 4.

In terms of playing style, CMB is a 4, I agree.
Furthermore, SB, BI and RJB are 2/3. IQ is 2/1, He is playing more like a 1 lately.

[tsherkin]

Furthermore, SB, BI and RJB are 2/3. IQ is 2/1, He is playing more like a 1 lately.

Barnes is more of a 4/3, to be honest. He isn't useful enough above the break to be considered a 2/3 at all.

[YogurtProducer]

Furthermore, SB, BI and RJB are 2/3. IQ is 2/1, He is playing more like a 1 lately.

Barnes is more of a 4/3, to be honest. He isn't useful enough above the break to be considered a 2/3 at all.

Barnes is more of a 4/5 IMO. Simply can't play the 1/2/3 with his shooting woes. CMB is probably the same type of guy.

No reason why IMO that we cant go Barnes/CMB at the 4/5.If Poeltl is out tonight I hope that we see a lot of Barnes/CMB.

[PushDaRock]

Furthermore, SB, BI and RJB are 2/3. IQ is 2/1, He is playing more like a 1 lately.

Barnes is more of a 4/3, to be honest. He isn't useful enough above the break to be considered a 2/3 at all.

If you're optimizing Barnes as a scorer, he's more of a 3 because he is so dependent on size mismatches in order to score. That only really works if your 4 and 5 can shoot the ball really well though. We don't have that luxury on this team, so he's basically a 4 and maybe some 5 too in small ball lineups.

[tsherkin]

Barnes is more of a 4/5 IMO.

I thought about it, but he isn't a particularly great choice as a 5. Not a really awesome PnR partner, not good enough a rebounder to really sell it (though he's pretty decent for a 4 and very good for a 3). You know?

If you're optimizing Barnes as a scorer, he's more of a 3 because he is so dependent on size mismatches in order to score.

This mostly just means that he's undersized. He's not really a particularly impressive slasher/ball-handler, he isn't a good shooter and his post game is okay, but nothing to write home about. But yes, utilizing mismatches is about the only thing he's got to lean on.

He's had a rough game and all that so far, but I haven't been unhappy with how we're using him so far. Not yet, anyway xD

Positional labels are a little tricky, and more than a little archaic, though. He's a tweener, regardless.

[LoveMyRaps]

CMB should start today with Poeltl out.

[manjusaka]

Furthermore, SB, BI and RJB are 2/3. IQ is 2/1, He is playing more like a 1 lately.

Barnes is more of a 4/3, to be honest. He isn't useful enough above the break to be considered a 2/3 at all.

I know especially with his shooting and the ability to break down the defensive with dribble.

He has the size and athleticism of a 4, but his mindset and his positioning on the court is not a 4. At least not a traditional 4 like Karl Malone or Charles Barkley, but Antoine Walker.

[manjusaka]

Barnes is more of a 4/5 IMO.

I thought about it, but he isn't a particularly great choice as a 5. Not a really awesome PnR partner, not good enough a rebounder to really sell it (though he's pretty decent for a 4 and very good for a 3). You know?

If you're optimizing Barnes as a scorer, he's more of a 3 because he is so dependent on size mismatches in order to score.

This mostly just means that he's undersized. He's not really a particularly impressive slasher/ball-handler, he isn't a good shooter and his post game is okay, but nothing to write home about. But yes, utilizing mismatches is about the only thing he's got to lean on.

He's had a rough game and all that so far, but I haven't been unhappy with how we're using him so far. Not yet, anyway xD

Positional labels are a little tricky, and more than a little archaic, though. He's a tweener, regardless.

I would have to agree he is a tweener in today’s basketball, 3 is probably the best position for him so far.

CMB is a 4, they don’t overlap.

[tsherkin]

I know especially with his shooting and the ability to break down the defensive with dribble.

He has the size and athleticism of a 4, but his mindset and his positioning on the court is not a 4. At least not a traditional 4 like Karl Malone or Charles Barkley, but Antoine Walker.

He's got good size for the 4, certainly. The athleticism... there are some remarkable athletes at the 4, especially with the way the league is playing a lot more conventional 3s at the 4 slot this past decade. They're often a little older when it happens, but it does help them preserve a speed advantage in many cases. Barnes certainly looks nothing like Malone or Barkley, but that has to do with his absence of elite physical traits (Barkely), conventional size/power (Malone) or really strong scoring tools. Walker... sucked. He's actually probably the best of those three as a comparison, because he wasn't an elite athlete and was misused as a volume scorer who shot too many 3s for his skill level. But Scottie is so much better on D that it's hard to entertain that comparison too seriously, you know?

I would have to agree he is a tweener in today’s basketball, 3 is probably the best position for him so far.

CMB is a 4, they don’t overlap.

He is a tweener in any era. It's just what specific label you want to use for Scottie at some point, and that's... only so important. I'm not going to die on a hill trying to call him a 3 versus a 4 or whatever. He's a middle-sized forward who lacks the tools to stand out at either position. So he sits in that Corliss Williamson / Kenny Thomas kind of zone to some extent. Obviously not exactly, as he's at least a little more dynamic with his ball-handler and passing and less skilled with his back to the basket, but size-wise and in terms of speed. Some days and in some matchups, he looks quite a bit more capable. Other days, he looks right there with those guys.