Thank Nation! Pre-Lottery: Denver 9th, NY pick 7th (PART 4)

[TdotRap4Lyfe]

I bet the coin toss will make us lose the player we were gunning for, by one spot. It is a Raptors tradition.

[anj]

Exactly, I think we've had enough of picks like Rafael Araújo over Andre Iguodala, Terrence Ross over Andre Drummond and Delon Wright over Bobby Portis. We took Araújo over Iguodala because we had Carter and Peterson and needed a centre. We took Ross over Drummond because we already had Val, our centre of the future, and we took Wright over Portis because the offseason plan had us short a man at backup point guard... until we lost out on Wes Matthews and signed Corey Joseph instead.

The key is, you never know what will happen, DeMar could decide he wants to play in LA, some team could throw a max contract at Lowry in 2017, or either of them could suffer a career altering injury that completely transforms what team needs are. Smart teams take BPA and figure the rest out later.

I agree about BPA, but let's be clear about why they took Wright over Portis: because they liked Wright better.

No, lets really be clear. Because they only had one PG on the roster and needed another one. But damn, if he ain't looking real good right now. Well done Masai. Well. Done.

I guess we can disagree on this. I just think Masai deserves credit for taking BPA with that pick - something that a lot of posters aren't willing to acknowledge. Illogically, there's a belief that Masai will draft based on fit this year, despite his track record which indicates the complete opposite. Even if Joseph wasn't on our roster at the time of the Wright pick, it's not as though Masai just panicked and signed Joseph - he had a plan and he carried it out.

[metafisical]

Gonna be an interesting draft. One of these picks will be dealt for sure. Possibly 2 of them. There just isn't enough roster spots. It's a good problem to have & I don't think it's a problem the Raptors have ever had before.

Isnt that what the 905ers are for? To stash all our rookies when we dont have roster spots?

[MEDIC]

Gonna be an interesting draft. One of these picks will be dealt for sure. Possibly 2 of them. There just isn't enough roster spots. It's a good problem to have & I don't think it's a problem the Raptors have ever had before.

Isnt that what the 905ers are for? To stash all our rookies when we dont have roster spots?

Doesn't work that way (unless the NBA increases the roster to 17 like they are considering).

1st round picks have NBA contracts & take up part of the 15 man roster no matter if they are playing in Toronto, playing on the 905 or sitting at home doing nothing. I hope the NBA & NBPA makes changes soon that will help improve this situation.

The only way to currently "stash" players in the 1st round is to draft European players that are already playing in a Euro pro league & hope that they agree to continue playing overseas for a year or 2 before signing an NBA contract.

[brownbobcat]

Gonna be an interesting draft. One of these picks will be dealt for sure. Possibly 2 of them. There just isn't enough roster spots. It's a good problem to have & I don't think it's a problem the Raptors have ever had before.

Isnt that what the 905ers are for? To stash all our rookies when we dont have roster spots?

No, the 15 roster spots includes anybody you send down to 905. All non-roster 905ers are essentially free agents (or occupying another NBA team's roster spot).

[metafisical]

Oh ok. Thanks for the info.

[MEDIC]

Gonna be an interesting draft. One of these picks will be dealt for sure. Possibly 2 of them. There just isn't enough roster spots. It's a good problem to have & I don't think it's a problem the Raptors have ever had before.

Isnt that what the 905ers are for? To stash all our rookies when we dont have roster spots?

No, the 15 roster spots includes anybody you send down to 905. All non-roster 905ers are essentially free agents (or occupying another NBA team's roster spot).

Even if they do make a roster spot for a PG or SG & send him down to the 905, it still creates an eventual log jam.

Lets say we keep Powell, Demar, Wright, Ross & Cojo & draft Jamal Murray. First off, JM isn't really the type of prospect that you send down to the 905, but you could for a few months just to let him learn the offensive & defensive schemes.

3 months into the season you bring him back up.

Now you have:

PG: Lowry, Cojo, Wright, Murray
SG: Derozan, Ross, Powell, Murray

That's a lot of small guards to give minutes to. I know we have played Ross & Powell at the 3, but they aren't really suited for it.

You would probably need to trade Cojo & Carroll or Ross, but you now lose a lot of size at the 3 position. I guess you could retain James Johnson on the cheap just for certain matchups, but again that's another roster spot. You also have Bruno taking up a roster spot.

Like I said, its a good problem to have because you have a lot of attractive trade assets. Something would have to go down though.

[brownbobcat]

Gonna be an interesting draft. One of these picks will be dealt for sure. Possibly 2 of them. There just isn't enough roster spots. It's a good problem to have & I don't think it's a problem the Raptors have ever had before.

Isnt that what the 905ers are for? To stash all our rookies when we dont have roster spots?

Doesn't work that way (unless the NBA increases the roster to 17 like they are considering).

1st round picks have NBA contracts & take up part of the 15 man roster no matter if they are playing in Toronto, playing on the 905 or sitting at home doing nothing. I hope the NBA & NBPA makes changes soon that will help improve this situation.

The only way to currently "stash" players in the 1st round is to draft European players that are already playing in a Euro pro league & hope that they agree to continue playing overseas for a year or 2 before signing an NBA contract.

What's the deal with DeAndre Daniels then? He doesn't have a NBA contract, but he's playing with the 905 and do the Raptors still have his NBA rights?

[MEDIC]

Isnt that what the 905ers are for? To stash all our rookies when we dont have roster spots?

Doesn't work that way (unless the NBA increases the roster to 17 like they are considering).

1st round picks have NBA contracts & take up part of the 15 man roster no matter if they are playing in Toronto, playing on the 905 or sitting at home doing nothing. I hope the NBA & NBPA makes changes soon that will help improve this situation.

The only way to currently "stash" players in the 1st round is to draft European players that are already playing in a Euro pro league & hope that they agree to continue playing overseas for a year or 2 before signing an NBA contract.

What's the deal with DeAndre Daniels then? He doesn't have a NBA contract, but he's playing with the 905 and do the Raptors still have his NBA rights?

Daniels was a 2nd round pick. He doesn't automatically get an NBA contract. They convinced him to go to Australia last season as a "draft n' stash" 2nd rounder. This season he was injured most of the season. I can't recall how long they can retain a 2nd round draft picks rights.

There was one domestic "draft n' stash" situation in 2015. Josh Huestis agreed to forego his 1st round draft pick NBA contract & sign a D-League contract if the OKC Thunder picked him in the 1st round. That was the only situation that I am aware of. Most players will probably not agree to this if selected in the 1st round.

http://dleague.nba.com/news/2015-nba-draft-picks-stashed-in-nba-dleague/

[Raptorfan2012]

When is the coin toss going to happen?

[Waylanderz]

Thanks!

[Dennis 37]

Isnt that what the 905ers are for? To stash all our rookies when we dont have roster spots?

Doesn't work that way (unless the NBA increases the roster to 17 like they are considering).

1st round picks have NBA contracts & take up part of the 15 man roster no matter if they are playing in Toronto, playing on the 905 or sitting at home doing nothing. I hope the NBA & NBPA makes changes soon that will help improve this situation.

The only way to currently "stash" players in the 1st round is to draft European players that are already playing in a Euro pro league & hope that they agree to continue playing overseas for a year or 2 before signing an NBA contract.

What's the deal with DeAndre Daniels then? He doesn't have a NBA contract, but he's playing with the 905 and do the Raptors still have his NBA rights?

Other than being the 37th pick, which in itself is fantastic, I can't find anything that states he is no longer on the Raptors roster, even though I can't see how it us possible that he still is. He signed a contract with the 905, so does that not imply he is no longer Raptor property? Would there not have been some sort of news release if he was waived?

Edit:

Found this http://dleague.nba.com/news/nba-dleague-draft-rights-players-antetokounmpo-huestis-christon-alec-brown-thames-mcrae/

Seems that teams can retain the draft rights of players signed to D League teams. So it looks like #37 is still Raptors property.

[brownbobcat]

Other than being the 37th pick, which in itself is fantastic, I can't find anything that states he is no longer on the Raptors roster, even though I can't see how it us possible that he still is. He signed a contract with the 905, so does that not imply he is no longer Raptor property? Would there not have been some sort of news release if he was waived?

He was never on the Raptors roster, because he never signed a contract with them. He signed an overseas contract after being drafted (which expired in 2015), and the Raptors retain his NBA rights for 1 year thereafter (which expires sometime in 2016?), but I have no idea what his current status is. As I understand it, D-League rights and contracts have nothing to do with the NBA-side. 905 owning his rights just means that is the only D-league team he can play for. If/when the Raptors no longer hold his rights, then any team could sign him.

[0 - 100]

Pretty sure the coin flips happen tomorrow.

[Mark_83]

Any chance a team in the 12-16 range would be willing to trade back for our pick + Bruno/Delon/Bebe? If we traded up with Bruno or Bebe I'd like to get Taurean Prince and if we used Delon then I'd like Demetrius Jackson.

NYK/DEN: DAVIS/RABB/LUWAWU/SKAL
TOR (TRADED UP): PRINCE/JACKSON

Davis and Prince would be my ideal scenario. Two defensively minded players with offensive ability.

Post DeMar/Kyle lineup.

Valanciunas
Davis
Prince
Powell
Delon

That's 4 out of 5 potentially good defensive players. We could be like that Billups led Detroit team especially if we find someone better than Val.

[artsncrafts]

At 10 which is what I am expecting as we always lose coin flips. I expect Masai to trade something. 10th + 26th + Bruno + delon + Bebe + Powell....wtf are we supposed to do with all of them.

[Dennis 37]

Other than being the 37th pick, which in itself is fantastic, I can't find anything that states he is no longer on the Raptors roster, even though I can't see how it us possible that he still is. He signed a contract with the 905, so does that not imply he is no longer Raptor property? Would there not have been some sort of news release if he was waived?

He was never on the Raptors roster, because he never signed a contract with them. He signed an overseas contract after being drafted (which expired in 2015), and the Raptors retain his NBA rights for 1 year thereafter (which expires sometime in 2016?), but I have no idea what his current status is. As I understand it, D-League rights and contracts have nothing to do with the NBA-side. 905 owning his rights just means that is the only D-league team he can play for. If/when the Raptors no longer hold his rights, then any team could sign him.

Thanks for that, see my edited post above for NBA League rule on draft rights players.

[Brinbe]

We can always use the late pick to draft and stash someone like Juan Hernangomez

[artsncrafts]

We can always use the late pick to draft and stash someone like Juan Hernangomez

We can stash Dragon

[Kevin Willis]

Is Deyonta Davis a poor man's Favors or a bigger John Henson? Raw, lanky defensive players with some hops and unpolished offense. They're built similarly.