Shams: Cleveland and Boston have agreement on deal to send Kyrie Irving to the Celtics for Isaiah Thomas package to Cavs

beanbag · Post #621 » by **beanbag** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:37 am

zilby wrote:

Read on Twitter

Well, that was a big kerfuffle for nothing.

So Ainge said "2nd rounder or GTFO" and Cleveland was like "Sure, we already won the deal"

DreamTeam09 · Post #622 » by **DreamTeam09** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:32 am

Crowder makes the Cavs wayyyyy better than IT does. Anything IT gives them is a bonus. Lebron is the point and Rose was 18 4 n 4 playing with Melo n Porzingas last year. Cavs have plenty of shooters, again Crowder, and when they get wade, IT will become even less needed.

Wade
Korver or JR
Crowder
Lebron
Love or TT

Ponchos · Post #623 » by **Ponchos** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:19 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:Crowder makes the Cavs wayyyyy better than IT does. Anything IT gives them is a bonus. Lebron is the point and Rose was 18 4 n 4 playing with Melo n Porzingas last year. Cavs have plenty of shooters, again Crowder, and when they get wade, IT will become even less needed.

Wade
Korver or JR
Crowder
Lebron
Love or TT

A decent 3+D guy makes the Cavs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than an MVP candidate?

Too Late Crew · Post #624 » by **Too Late Crew** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:23 am

ChromeKid wrote:So if IT never gets healthy do we have a chance vs the cavs?

No

Two word Lebron James

OzCastiel · Post #625 » by **OzCastiel** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:26 pm

Just need IT to miss the year, someone to take one for the team and kidnap lebron, give kyrie irving and hayward food poisoning, and raptors might have a shot to lose to the wizards in the second round

PhilBlackson · Post #626 » by **PhilBlackson** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:30 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:Crowder makes the Cavs wayyyyy better than IT does. Anything IT gives them is a bonus. Lebron is the point and Rose was 18 4 n 4 playing with Melo n Porzingas last year. Cavs have plenty of shooters, again Crowder, and when they get wade, IT will become even less needed.

Wade
Korver or JR
Crowder
Lebron
Love or TT

While I understand Crowder is incredibly valuable to the Cavs because he can take on some defensive assignments for LeBron which should help his energy there's no way I would say he makes the Cavs "wayyyyy" better than IT does.

It's equally important that LeBron has some to carry the scoring load and also to come through in clutch moments.

Not to mention it would have been of even more beneficial if both IT/Crowder were available because they were 2 of the main cogs of a 1st place EC Boston team with IT being the leader. That would have been of tremendous help if LeBron could actually get more rest each game and throughout the season since the 2 of them should have been able to carry the team without a steep decline like what the Cavs would suffer anytime LBJ was off the court. In contrast now that IT is hurt for possibly majority of the season LeBron is going to be forced to carry the Cavs even more offensively this year.

protothe · Post #627 » by **protothe** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:38 pm

Boston might be the softest team in the league now. They are going to get bullied by everyone.

Post #628 » by **Patman** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:09 pm

beanbag wrote:
zilby wrote:

Read on Twitter

Well, that was a big kerfuffle for nothing.

So Ainge said "2nd rounder or GTFO" and Cleveland was like "Sure, we already won the deal"

I wouldn't be surprised if Silver got involved and told both parties to get their act together because the whole thing was becoming a circus.

rapcity10 · Post #629 » by **rapcity10** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:38 pm

protothe wrote:Boston might be the softest team in the league now. They are going to get bullied by everyone.

Bullied by who? They have Marcus Morris, Aaron baynes, Marcus smart, those three alone makes our teAm look like pansies. Who's the tough guy on our team? Serge ibaka? Same guy that got 3 total rebound in the last two games of the season combined?

NetsDynasty2012 · Post #630 » by **NetsDynasty2012** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:39 pm

Patman wrote:
beanbag wrote:
zilby wrote:

Read on Twitter

Well, that was a big kerfuffle for nothing.

So Ainge said "2nd rounder or GTFO" and Cleveland was like "Sure, we already won the deal"

I wouldn't be surprised if Silver got involved and told both parties to get their act together because the whole thing was becoming a circus.

I have zero doubt that Silver was loving all the extra attention the NBA was getting over this past week.

Throwback24 · Post #631 » by **Throwback24** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:40 pm

Ponchos wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Crowder makes the Cavs wayyyyy better than IT does. Anything IT gives them is a bonus. Lebron is the point and Rose was 18 4 n 4 playing with Melo n Porzingas last year. Cavs have plenty of shooters, again Crowder, and when they get wade, IT will become even less needed.

Wade
Korver or JR
Crowder
Lebron
Love or TT

A decent 3+D guy makes the Cavs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than an MVP candidate?

He's been on trash on D the past year and a half and people are understating just how serious IT's hip is.

He has an actual deformity that won't get better unless he has surgery.

rapcity10 · Post #632 » by **rapcity10** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:41 pm

NetsDynasty2012 wrote:
Patman wrote:
beanbag wrote:
So Ainge said "2nd rounder or GTFO" and Cleveland was like "Sure, we already won the deal"

I wouldn't be surprised if Silver got involved and told both parties to get their act together because the whole thing was becoming a circus.

I have zero doubt that Silver was loving all the extra attention the NBA was getting over this past week.

Lool real talks, all about the attention, extra story lines, and ratings. You can't be serious, this is an entertainment product first and foremost.

Lafuerza · Post #633 » by **Lafuerza** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:22 pm

protothe wrote:Boston might be the softest team in the league now. They are going to get bullied by everyone.

This is a ridiculous statement. Sure we won't be as tough as last year, but were probably middle of the pack now as compared to the rest of the league. Smart and Morris are tougher than anybody y'all have.

Johnny Bball · Post #634 » by **Johnny Bball** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:28 pm

rapcity10 wrote:
protothe wrote:Boston might be the softest team in the league now. They are going to get bullied by everyone.

Bullied by who? They have Marcus Morris, Aaron baynes, Marcus smart, those three alone makes our teAm look like pansies. Who's the tough guy on our team? Serge ibaka? Same guy that got 3 total rebound in the last two games of the season combined?

Derozan.

And JV.

And Ibaka.

zippy · Post #635 » by **zippy** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:35 pm

Lafuerza wrote:
protothe wrote:Boston might be the softest team in the league now. They are going to get bullied by everyone.

This is a ridiculous statement. Sure we won't be as tough as last year, but were probably middle of the pack now as compared to the rest of the league. Smart and Morris are tougher than anybody y'all have.

He's right you know. :nod:

refshateRaps · Post #636 » by **refshateRaps** » Fri Sep 1, 2017 5:18 pm

Boston fans seem pretty happy, but I just don't see them as a clear better team than us. If anything we are much deeper. As long as Cleveland has Lebron they are legit contenders to win the East but as it stands right now they've never been in such disarray.

Could be a fun season if we stay healthy

lolwut · Post #637 » by **lolwut** » Fri Sep 1, 2017 5:29 pm

Lafuerza wrote:
protothe wrote:Boston might be the softest team in the league now. They are going to get bullied by everyone.

This is a ridiculous statement. Sure we won't be as tough as last year, but were probably middle of the pack now as compared to the rest of the league. Smart and Morris are tougher than anybody y'all have.

In the words of OG: "Maybe."

PhilBlackson · Post #638 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sat Sep 2, 2017 5:08 am

Kyrie Moss.

Basketball_Jones · Post #639 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Sat Sep 2, 2017 5:44 am

refshateRaps wrote:Boston fans seem pretty happy, but I just don't see them as a clear better team than us. If anything we are much deeper.

Incorrect, they are a MUCH deeper team then we are. We have WAY better stars though.

raptor jesus · Post #640 » by **raptor jesus** » Sat Sep 2, 2017 6:03 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:Crowder makes the Cavs wayyyyy better than IT does. Anything IT gives them is a bonus. Lebron is the point and Rose was 18 4 n 4 playing with Melo n Porzingas last year. Cavs have plenty of shooters, again Crowder, and when they get wade, IT will become even less needed.

Wade
Korver or JR
Crowder
Lebron
Love or TT

Crowder has become quite overrated imo, especially defensively. He's far from the stopper some make him out to be. Demar, for example, always kills the guy. That said, the Cavs could clearly use even an average defender w/ some versatility after what happened to them in the Finals, so he's a nice get for sure.

However, IT running the PnR w/ Love, TT, Bron is far more valuable than anything Crowder can provide.