Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

[Clutch0z24]

It would be fricken hilarious if somebody chose Barnes before us. Not so funny if we chose him ourselves though.

But what if he ends up better than one of the "top 4". This happens all the time in drafts, there is usually a bust in the consensus top few picks, and guys picked later end up better sometimes.

In 2018 Bagley was a consensus top 4 pick, ended up a bust. In 2017 Fultz was a consensus top pick, also a bust, in 2015 it Okafor was a can't miss prospect.. and so it goes.

Not saying this the same situation, but there is no way all 4 end up stars, just based on odds one will be subpar or maybe even a bust.

Yep. People are so rigid on the top 4 in this class. Any other name mentioned is blasphemy. Like it’s so inconceivable to think that anyone else could turn out better. It’s as if the top 4 are destined to be perennial All-Stars before even debuting, while everyone else will be a clear tier behind. I guarantee that when there’s a draft do-over in future, the top 4 will be different. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not arguing that the top 4 aren’t the top 4, but I find it laughable how people talk in such absolutes and are outraged by any other name mentioned, as if going another route would be the biggest mistake in franchise history. History shows the draft is a crapshoot.

Its a crapshoot to a certain extent , When there are undeniable talent its pretty obvious who will become good to Great NBA players in the league if you do your homework like im sure Masai is doing....

There are some drafts where every player has alot of question marks and some drafts where there are just players who are destined to succeed....kD/Rose/Magic/Bird/Shaq/Zion/AD/LeBron/Melo/Wade/Bosh/Ming/Iverson...Just to name a few guys who coming into their classes were all guys you can see were already going to make an impact in the NBA...

Sometimes there are players who surprise you that get picked late...It just all depends on the draft Class in general....

This Class looks to be one of the more Talented Classes we seen in recent memory so to say the top 4, And beyond won't be gems could also be wrong...

All of Cade/Mobley/Green/Suggs are top tier looking prospects and all 4 have undeniable potential just by studying and watching film you can see greatness in all 4 player, Will one of them turn out to be better then another ofc, But i still feel this Top 4 all are destined for greatness in their own ways in the NBA...

Barnes/Kuminga/Senguns of the worlds all have them question marks that guys like DerricK Williams/MKG/Kanter had coming into the draft... So they might have bust potential more so.....Ofc there will be a few Gems in the Later Lottery ...One name to watch is Bouknight who could end up being one of the better players in the class at the end of the day...

But still at where we are drafting im taking my bets on one of the top 4 atm cause they all have All star potential right away

[Tortiglioni]

But what if he ends up better than one of the "top 4". This happens all the time in drafts, there is usually a bust in the consensus top few picks, and guys picked later end up better sometimes.

In 2018 Bagley was a consensus top 4 pick, ended up a bust. In 2017 Fultz was a consensus top pick, also a bust, in 2015 it Okafor was a can't miss prospect.. and so it goes.

Not saying this the same situation, but there is no way all 4 end up stars, just based on odds one will be subpar or maybe even a bust.

Yep. People are so rigid on the top 4 in this class. Any other name mentioned is blasphemy. Like it’s so inconceivable to think that anyone else could turn out better. It’s as if the top 4 are destined to be perennial All-Stars before even debuting, while everyone else will be a clear tier behind. I guarantee that when there’s a draft do-over in future, the top 4 will be different. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not arguing that the top 4 aren’t the top 4, but I find it laughable how people talk in such absolutes and are outraged by any other name mentioned, as if going another route would be the biggest mistake in franchise history. History shows the draft is a crapshoot.

Its a crapshoot to a certain extent , When there are undeniable talent its pretty obvious who will become good to Great NBA players in the league if you do your homework like im sure Masai is doing....

There are some drafts where every player has alot of question marks and some drafts where there are just players who are destined to succeed....kD/Rose/Magic/Bird/Shaq/Zion/AD/LeBron/Melo/Wade/Bosh/Ming/Iverson...Just to name a few guys who coming into their classes were all guys you can see were already going to make an impact in the NBA...

Sometimes there are players who surprise you that get picked late...It just all depends on the draft Class in general....

This Class looks to be one of the more Talented Classes we seen in recent memory so to say the top 4, And beyond won't be gems could also be wrong...

All of Cade/Mobley/Green/Suggs are top tier looking prospects and all 4 have undeniable potential just by studying and watching film you can see greatness in all 4 player, Will one of them turn out to be better then another ofc, But i still feel this Top 4 all are destined for greatness in their own ways in the NBA...

Barnes/Kuminga/Senguns of the worlds all have them question marks that guys like DerricK Williams/MKG/Kanter had coming into the draft... So they might have bust potential more so.....Ofc there will be a few Gems in the Later Lottery ...One name to watch is Bouknight who could end up being one of the better players in the class at the end of the day...

But still at where we are drafting im taking my bets on one of the top 4 atm cause they all have All star potential right away

The point is: there is literally a 0% chance that all NBA teams have Cunningham, Mobley, Green and Suggs as the top 4 on their boards. So just because the vacuum of public opinion on the internet talks about a consensus "top 4" doesn't mean this exists in reality.

[PD28]

Net zero.

Hmm given that's never happened since 1984 and 1996, I'd wager that aint gonna be true in 4 years lol

Who’s the bust in 2019’s top 4?

I don't believe RJ Barrett or DeAndre Hunter will be superstars but its too early to tell yet. We can revisit that in 3 years.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Why they'll bust from most likely to least likely:

1. Green - bad peripheral stats, super low FTr for a scorer is a red flag. Terrible WS/48. His team was better without him on the floor. A lot of the Kobe/MJ stuff is preposterous and meant to keep people from looking too deeply at his flaws.
2. Mobley - finesse bigs always get the soft label, and the way the league is pushing out bigs by allowing Markieff Morris-types 8 fouls before they're called for 1 puts him behind the 8 ball. Also thin frame is an injury risk. Doesn't rebound.
3. Cunningham - super high TOs is a red flag for a "big point guard." Morant and Young averaged 4 TOs but 2 to 3 times the amount of assists. Underwhelming WS/48 means he'll have an uphill battle just to make an all-NBA 3rd team.
4. Suggs - Didn't shoot well at a position that demands it. None of his stats pop. Cherry picked on a stacked team. Didn't run the point but is expected to in the NBA.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Imagine all of us collectively hoping and praying to land top 4 in a heavily touted 4 player draft and we swing for a guy outside of the 4 who has a high bust potential as an offensive player.....on a team that is already offensively limited.

Him and Kuminga are in the same tier in that they have to fix a glaring weakness in their game to be good whereas the other 4 guys are already good and have shown the skillset, they just need more reps to get better and tighten things up

You see that with Green and his elite 3 level scoring + athleticism and speed
You see that with Cade and his passing vision, defense and 3 level scoring
You see that with Mobley with his elite rim protection and ability to pass and put the ball on the floor from the perimeter
You see that with Suggs with his elite passing, ability to attack the basket and finish through contact with the confidence to take off the dribble 3s

All of those 4 guys just becoming better versions of who they are today are all stars. I've yet to see an offensive bag with Barnes so a better version of current him is Ben Simmons who is willing to shoot even though he can't really...and thats if whatever team takes him wants to hand him the PG keys. Don't see the star potential coming with Barnes if he's regulated to being an off ball guy with a traditional pg at the 1

[tecumseh18]

Didn't run the point but is expected to in the NBA.

"Played the 3 in the Italian league, but is expected to be a C in the NBA."

It gets back to Suggs having been a star high school quarterback. He has to see the entire field/court and instantly run through the various options in his head. Not worried.

[Bruin]

Hmm given that's never happened since 1984 and 1996, I'd wager that aint gonna be true in 4 years lol

Who’s the bust in 2019’s top 4?

I don't believe RJ Barrett or DeAndre Hunter will be superstars but its too early to tell yet. We can revisit that in 3 years.

They don’t need to become superstars to not be a bust.

RJ averaged 17-6-3 as the 2nd option of a playoff team in his 2nd season

Hunter averaged 15-5-2 with great defense on a playoff team in his 2nd year

That tells me already they’re not going to become busts

[PD28]

Who’s the bust in 2019’s top 4?

I don't believe RJ Barrett or DeAndre Hunter will be superstars but its too early to tell yet. We can revisit that in 3 years.

They don’t need to become superstars to not be a bust.

RJ averaged 17-6-3 as the 2nd option of a playoff team in his 2nd season

Hunter averaged 15-5-2 with great defense on a playoff team in his 2nd year

That tells me already they’re not going to become busts

This is the point we were discussing. If any of the top 4 topped out at 15 points with a couple assists and rebounds - and stopped improving. Is that a bust? Is no one expecting a superstar in the top 4 of this draft? Some posters here think Green is a guaranteed superstar and I don't think its guaranteed. Only time will tell.

[Bruin]

I don't believe RJ Barrett or DeAndre Hunter will be superstars but its too early to tell yet. We can revisit that in 3 years.

They don’t need to become superstars to not be a bust.

RJ averaged 17-6-3 as the 2nd option of a playoff team in his 2nd season

Hunter averaged 15-5-2 with great defense on a playoff team in his 2nd year

That tells me already they’re not going to become busts

This is the point we were discussing. If any of the top 4 topped out at 15 points with a couple assists and rebounds - and stopped improving. Is that a bust? Is no one expecting a superstar in the top 4 of this draft? Some posters here think Green is a guaranteed superstar and I don't think its guaranteed. Only time will tell.

Well yeah it’s not guaranteed that Suggs, Mobley, Cade, and Green all end up superstars. I trust our FO and development though

but I also don’t think RJ and Hunter have gotten near their cap unless a freak injury comes their way

[NotMyKawhi]

After MU left the nuggets a couple months later in the 2013 NBA draft the Nuggets went on to trade the 27th pick for the 46th pick and cash lol


That right there is just a bad trade. A late 1st for a mid 2nd? smh

When you add the 27th pick a future All-star Rudy Gobert and the 46th pick was Erick Green....one of the worst trades in NBA history

[So Clutch]

Imagine all of us collectively hoping and praying to land top 4 in a heavily touted 4 player draft and we swing for a guy outside of the 4 who has a high bust potential as an offensive player.....on a team that is already offensively limited.

Him and Kuminga are in the same tier in that they have to fix a glaring weakness in their game to be good whereas the other 4 guys are already good and have shown the skillset, they just need more reps to get better and tighten things up

You see that with Green and his elite 3 level scoring + athleticism and speed
You see that with Cade and his passing vision, defense and 3 level scoring
You see that with Mobley with his elite rim protection and ability to pass and put the ball on the floor from the perimeter
You see that with Suggs with his elite passing, ability to attack the basket and finish through contact with the confidence to take off the dribble 3s

All of those 4 guys just becoming better versions of who they are today are all stars. I've yet to see an offensive bag with Barnes so a better version of current him is Ben Simmons who is willing to shoot even though he can't really...and thats if whatever team takes him wants to hand him the PG keys. Don't see the star potential coming with Barnes if he's regulated to being an off ball guy with a traditional pg at the 1

Hey, you mentioned an interview recently saying Mark Few was surprised Suggs came to Gonzaga. What’s the source on that?


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[UnbelievablyRAW]

Imagine all of us collectively hoping and praying to land top 4 in a heavily touted 4 player draft and we swing for a guy outside of the 4 who has a high bust potential as an offensive player.....on a team that is already offensively limited.

Him and Kuminga are in the same tier in that they have to fix a glaring weakness in their game to be good whereas the other 4 guys are already good and have shown the skillset, they just need more reps to get better and tighten things up

You see that with Green and his elite 3 level scoring + athleticism and speed
You see that with Cade and his passing vision, defense and 3 level scoring
You see that with Mobley with his elite rim protection and ability to pass and put the ball on the floor from the perimeter
You see that with Suggs with his elite passing, ability to attack the basket and finish through contact with the confidence to take off the dribble 3s

All of those 4 guys just becoming better versions of who they are today are all stars. I've yet to see an offensive bag with Barnes so a better version of current him is Ben Simmons who is willing to shoot even though he can't really...and thats if whatever team takes him wants to hand him the PG keys. Don't see the star potential coming with Barnes if he's regulated to being an off ball guy with a traditional pg at the 1

Hey, you mentioned an interview recently saying Mark Few was surprised Suggs came to Gonzaga. What’s the source on that?


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That was someone else replying to my comment about watching his Hs tape. I think they posted a picture of the full quote one of the college announcers made about an interview he had with Jalen, I think can find it if I look through my notifications

Edit: Was the coach, see below

[Bruin]

Imagine all of us collectively hoping and praying to land top 4 in a heavily touted 4 player draft and we swing for a guy outside of the 4 who has a high bust potential as an offensive player.....on a team that is already offensively limited.

Him and Kuminga are in the same tier in that they have to fix a glaring weakness in their game to be good whereas the other 4 guys are already good and have shown the skillset, they just need more reps to get better and tighten things up

You see that with Green and his elite 3 level scoring + athleticism and speed
You see that with Cade and his passing vision, defense and 3 level scoring
You see that with Mobley with his elite rim protection and ability to pass and put the ball on the floor from the perimeter
You see that with Suggs with his elite passing, ability to attack the basket and finish through contact with the confidence to take off the dribble 3s

All of those 4 guys just becoming better versions of who they are today are all stars. I've yet to see an offensive bag with Barnes so a better version of current him is Ben Simmons who is willing to shoot even though he can't really...and thats if whatever team takes him wants to hand him the PG keys. Don't see the star potential coming with Barnes if he's regulated to being an off ball guy with a traditional pg at the 1

Hey, you mentioned an interview recently saying Mark Few was surprised Suggs came to Gonzaga. What’s the source on that?


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[NotMyKawhi]

I don't write off Scottie Barnes learning to shoot. He reminds me of a longer more athetlic Kyle Anderson.

Lots have learned to shoot overtime. You can't learn what Scottie Barnes has!

[HumbleRen]

What do we think Suggs full potential looks like ?

A 23/7 player ?

It’s so hard to evaluate these prospects haha.

[Bruin]

What do we think Suggs full potential looks like ?

A 23/7 player ?

It’s so hard to evaluate these prospects haha.

Ceiling I’d say 24-9-5 with great defense. Two way Superstar

[DelAbbot]

That's better than Chris Paul, a HoF'er.

What do we think Suggs full potential looks like ?

A 23/7 player ?

It’s so hard to evaluate these prospects haha.

Ceiling I’d say 24-9-5 with great defense. Two way Superstar

[UnbelievablyRAW]

I think it would be worthwhile to experiment with Suggs as primarily a scorer (or at least encourage that part more) while we let FVV slide back to a more passive role and also give more reps with Flynn running point and maybe small ball lineups with Trent and OG at the 3/4. Lots of shooting and Suggs gets freedom to really refine his ability to create for himself. I think his passing and vision is already elite and just telling him to run point and be a team guy doesn’t really grow him as an individual player

[NotMyKawhi]

Green's best fit is actually in Toronto imo and it's why we should try to trade for him.

Houston, Wall has the ball a lot and when he doesn't Kevin Porter JR does. In clevland he'd be perfect..if they traded sexton.


He would come in and be our go to scorer from day 1. It would be like Vince Carter all over again. We need him

[NotMyKawhi]

It's why I think Houston may still pick Mobley.

I don't think Wall or Porter will delay Mobley's development. They'll use him a lot to get assits bc he has great hands and touch around the basket.

I do think Wall will hurt Green's devolopment early and so will Porter Jr. There's only one ball.