2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2

[Tor_Raps]

stop wasting your time. This board has lost their mind. I think they a bunch of kids

I understand the reasoning why the Heat wanted a sign and trade. It greatly benefits them, which is how they got Tucker too. Just furthers my point that they needed us to get him.

It doesn't seem to be benefiting us as we got stuck with an unwanted contract that took all our cap space away. Just frustration on my part for a horrible offseason thus far.

raptors chose dragic + achiuwa + MLE (4yr 42mil) + BAE (2 year 8mil) vs 17 mil cap space + room MLE (2 yr 10 mil)


achiuwa + full mle > 17 mil cap space in my books.

All of a sudden, our entire fan base seems to be the biggest Achiuwa fans. He was offered at the trade deadline and yet most fans were happy with passing on the deals then lol.

I don't disagree with your logic at all since we don't know who that 17Mill free agent could have been. I only wanted Allen from free agency and once that ship sailed, I didn't care much.

[Syd-TK3]

I just wanna here the Lowry trade final details is it just because of Dragic why we haven't yet?

[Rapsfan07]

raptors chose dragic + achiuwa + MLE (4yr 42mil) + BAE (2 year 8mil) vs 17 mil cap space + room MLE (2 yr 10 mil)


achiuwa + full mle > 17 mil cap space in my books.

Yep. Sounds about right to me.

We could've had achiuwa + 2nd + 17mill in space if we shipped dragic out for nothing in return

Yeah we could have. But who in this market are we going to sign for that? Plus, keeping the TPE allows us to acquire a player at that salary or lower AND enables us to us the MLE. So actually our spending power is technically almost doubled by not renouncing the TPE.

I've always believed that trade has been the way to go anyway

[DreamTeam09]

to absorb contracts into space, you need cap space (or large enough TPE)
all the moves they have made and structured, they are operating as over the cap team(MLE/BAE)
so they dont have cap room to absorb dragic

go read a few athletic articles if you want confirmation.

you cannot use cap space and operate over the cap as you are suggesting.

start of free agency they had 30mil potential cap space (after trading josh richardson)

they chose to resign tim haradaw for 18 per, keep the TPE from josh Richardson trade. then stay over the cap and use MLE and BAE.

You are confusing using space on a FA and using space in a trade. Using space in a trade doesn't mean you are operating under the cap. Using space on a FA means you have to renounce the space in order to use it. It means you are operating above the cap.

They had like 34-37 mill under the cap entering the off-season. Getting rid of WCS bumps that to 38+

18 for Dragic, 18 for THJ using bird rights and not space = 36m

Now they're at the cap and able to use the MLE and BAE

The exact same thing the raps are trying to do with Dragic. We would prefer to ship out Dragic for a little as possible and then use the TPE or renounce the TPE and use the space.

We would like keep the TPE and then use MLE and BAE

Ino what I'm talking about here

you are so wrong
you need the same cap space to sign a free agent as you need to trade for a contract into space (CAP space)

the mavericks didnt create cap space at any point.

yes the raptors have the option of keeping tpe or renouncing tpe and working under cap
but the mavericks used MLE and BAE, that means they will operate as over the cap team, end of discussion.

[ciueli]

Wow look at all the those bulls moves!!! Not really going to make them contenders but atleast they're winning the offseason!! Masai could never!!!!!

I think fans still love the BC way of building teams.

Win the popular vote. Suck as a team.

SMH

vs Masai and do what's right to building a real team for the next decade

Funny, because the team Masai was successful with for so long was mostly assembled by Bryan Colangelo. Core pieces of Kyle Lowry, DeMar DeRozan, and Jonas Valanciunas were kept for a full 6 seasons after he became GM, even Terrence Ross was kept for 4 seasons. Sure, he moved out Andrea Bargnani and Rudy Gay, but 90% of our board at the time would have done that, they were some of the least liked Raptors of all time.

[Apz]

to absorb contracts into space, you need cap space (or large enough TPE)
all the moves they have made and structured, they are operating as over the cap team(MLE/BAE)
so they dont have cap room to absorb dragic

go read a few athletic articles if you want confirmation.

you cannot use cap space and operate over the cap as you are suggesting.

start of free agency they had 30mil potential cap space (after trading josh richardson)

they chose to resign tim haradaw for 18 per, keep the TPE from josh Richardson trade. then stay over the cap and use MLE and BAE.

You are confusing using space on a FA and using space in a trade. Using space in a trade doesn't mean you are operating under the cap. Using space on a FA means you have to renounce the space in order to use it. It means you are operating above the cap.

They had like 34-37 mill under the cap entering the off-season. Getting rid of WCS bumps that to 38+

18 for Dragic, 18 for THJ using bird rights and not space = 36m

Now they're at the cap and able to use the MLE and BAE

The exact same thing the raps are trying to do with Dragic. We would prefer to ship out Dragic for a little as possible and then use the TPE or renounce the TPE and use the space.

We would like keep the TPE and then use MLE and BAE

Ino what I'm talking about here

you are so wrong
you need the same cap space to sign a free agent as you need to trade for a contract into space (CAP space)

the mavericks didnt create cap space at any point.

yes the raptors have the option of keeping tpe or renouncing tpe and working under cap
but the mavericks used MLE and BAE, that means they will operate as over the cap team, end of discussion.

Mavs had to sign thj fast since his hold were 28m. Also boban resigned, moses, brown, and so on. Cant see mavs have much if any capspace left

[DreamTeam09]

to absorb contracts into space, you need cap space (or large enough TPE)
all the moves they have made and structured, they are operating as over the cap team(MLE/BAE)
so they dont have cap room to absorb dragic

go read a few athletic articles if you want confirmation.

you cannot use cap space and operate over the cap as you are suggesting.

start of free agency they had 30mil potential cap space (after trading josh richardson)

they chose to resign tim haradaw for 18 per, keep the TPE from josh Richardson trade. then stay over the cap and use MLE and BAE.

You are confusing using space on a FA and using space in a trade. Using space in a trade doesn't mean you are operating under the cap. Using space on a FA means you have to renounce the space in order to use it. It means you are operating above the cap.

They had like 34-37 mill under the cap entering the off-season. Getting rid of WCS bumps that to 38+

18 for Dragic, 18 for THJ using bird rights and not space = 36m

Now they're at the cap and able to use the MLE and BAE

The exact same thing the raps are trying to do with Dragic. We would prefer to ship out Dragic for a little as possible and then use the TPE or renounce the TPE and use the space.

We would like keep the TPE and then use MLE and BAE

Ino what I'm talking about here

you are so wrong
you need the same cap space to sign a free agent as you need to trade for a contract into space (CAP space)

the mavericks didnt create cap space at any point.

yes the raptors have the option of keeping tpe or renouncing tpe and working under cap
but the mavericks used MLE and BAE, that means they will operate as over the cap team, end of discussion.

Again you are wrong on the Dallas front.

They got rid of Josh rich for Moses brown. That's 10mill they saved

Go look at their roster right now, they're at like 75mill in commitments for next season.

75+36 for a Dragic TRADE and THJ bird rights brings them to cap ceiling. Which allows them to use the MLE and BAE

[Bruin]

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[douggood]

You are confusing using space on a FA and using space in a trade. Using space in a trade doesn't mean you are operating under the cap. Using space on a FA means you have to renounce the space in order to use it. It means you are operating above the cap.

They had like 34-37 mill under the cap entering the off-season. Getting rid of WCS bumps that to 38+

18 for Dragic, 18 for THJ using bird rights and not space = 36m

Now they're at the cap and able to use the MLE and BAE

The exact same thing the raps are trying to do with Dragic. We would prefer to ship out Dragic for a little as possible and then use the TPE or renounce the TPE and use the space.

We would like keep the TPE and then use MLE and BAE

Ino what I'm talking about here

you are so wrong
you need the same cap space to sign a free agent as you need to trade for a contract into space (CAP space)

the mavericks didnt create cap space at any point.

yes the raptors have the option of keeping tpe or renouncing tpe and working under cap
but the mavericks used MLE and BAE, that means they will operate as over the cap team, end of discussion.

Again you are wrong on the Dallas front.

They got rid of Josh rich for Moses brown. That's 10mill they saved

Go look at their roster right now, they're at like 75mill in commitments for next season.

75+36 for a Dragic TRADE and THJ bird rights brings them to cap ceiling. Which allows them to use the MLE and BAE

you cannot use cap space AND use mle and bae
please get that point
once they used MLE they are tied to being over the cap team.

at no point they created cap room; they kept the TPE onthe books

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[Mr.Raptorsingh]

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Oh snap Bembry too, what 'bout to go down

[Rapsfan07]

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Wow...

Something coming? Thats some really cheap depth to be getting rid of.

[kirkwood]

I think people on here had the idea that we were going to try and compete next year, but the moment Kyle left that was the pivot point to go another direction. Everyone on the team is 23 or younger except Pascal and Fred who are 27. We're in a rebuild motion now and to be honest should have been there after the Championship when Kawhi left. We only extended as we wanted to win and build at the same time.

I still think that's the strategy but we might be in the lottery for at least another 2 years at this rate. Our focus has gone to the young guys now and building them up to be the next iteration of the Raptors.

Maybe, but it would be nice if the Raptors brass communicated that to its fanbase. They don’t communicate at all and leave us all to guess and wonder what on earth is the direction

Last years free agency and draft was equally as confusing. I mean we still had Kyle and the majority of the chip team in tack. What did we do? We signed the likes of major scrubs in Baynes, Len and a host of others. Did absolutely nothing of substance at the deadline or off-season.

The team as it stands is made up of power forwards and questionable assets to grow with else where.

Where is the direction and what is the goal? You can’t count of the cities horrendous media to call them out for answers. Management needs to speak!

[canada_dry]

Achiuwa didnt play much for the heat "who were desperate " for a 5 because he didn't fit what the heat were looking for in a 5 to play WITH bam. Basically a stretch 5. Not a guy that plays a lot like bam does but not as effectively at 21.

Instead of just talking to be talking go talk to heat fans about precious. They were VERY high on him and viewed him as by far their best prospect.

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[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Bembry and Watson... I remember someone saying Watson was gonna be a star.. lol

[billy_hoyle]

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Oh snap Bembry too, what 'bout to go down

Does this make any sense? Why waive min salary dudes when we are over the cap?

[DreamTeam09]

you are so wrong
you need the same cap space to sign a free agent as you need to trade for a contract into space (CAP space)

the mavericks didnt create cap space at any point.

yes the raptors have the option of keeping tpe or renouncing tpe and working under cap
but the mavericks used MLE and BAE, that means they will operate as over the cap team, end of discussion.

Again you are wrong on the Dallas front.

They got rid of Josh rich for Moses brown. That's 10mill they saved

Go look at their roster right now, they're at like 75mill in commitments for next season.

75+36 for a Dragic TRADE and THJ bird rights brings them to cap ceiling. Which allows them to use the MLE and BAE

you cannot use cap space AND use mle and bae
please get that point
once they used MLE they are tied to being over the cap team.

at no point they created cap room; they kept the TPE onthe books

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Can you explain to me how the mavericks are over the cap as currently constructed.

Ino you cannot use space and get the MLE and BAE

[Oakville_Raptor]

People also gotta factor in that free agents probably don’t want to sign with the Raptors because of the uncertainty of Covid.

[Syd-TK3]

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Watson blew all the chances he had

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Finally some news. What's our cap situation now?

[StopitLeo]

Funny, because the team Masai was successful with for so long was mostly assembled by Bryan Colangelo. Core pieces of Kyle Lowry, DeMar DeRozan, and Jonas Valanciunas were kept for a full 6 seasons after he became GM, even Terrence Ross was kept for 4 seasons. Sure, he moved out Andrea Bargnani and Rudy Gay, but 90% of our board at the time would have done that, they were some of the least liked Raptors of all time.

There is so much luck involved in being successful to where the moves you don’t make can turn out to be as important as the ones you do make. Masai keeping Casey to continue the culture change worked out. The Lowry trade to the Knicks not happening worked out. Not getting Budenholzer, who was rumoured to be the first choice, worked out.