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2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#621 » by NotMyKawhi » Tue Dec 7, 2021 8:58 pm

PoundTown wrote:The one Center I’d give up for siakam is not turner or Holmes, it’s Jarrett allen. With him we really could be that bad a$$ rebounding and defensive team. He’s starting to shoot the 3 and attack off the dribble from three point line. I think he can be a top 10 center easily and maybe they think they want Mobley more at the 5. I’d do siakam and precious for him to be honest if we had to.


I dont' see the cavs doing that, Mobley and Allen play great together. The cavs are set w Garland, Mobley and Allen.

I'd be going after Brandon Ingram to play the 3 maybe? CJ from the blazers to play the 2?

Lauri, sexton for Ingram

Okoro, love for CJ.

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Post#622 » by Bowdystuda » Tue Dec 7, 2021 11:26 pm

I know Indy may be selling, which they definitely should, but I want nothing to do with Turner unless it involves GTJ which I dont think can happen until jan 15. I would not trade any of core pieces for him. No Pascal, Barnes, OG or Freddy. I have watched Turner a bunch of times this year on league pass (like 8 or 9 games) and I just dont see it. Dude just looks for blocks and stands in the corner waiting to shoot 3's. Some of that is on his teammates for not getting him the ball in the post but for such a big guy, he doesnt bully his way on the court like I thought he would. I bet on him early for defensive player of the year but I just dont see it anymore. Maybe if he gets with a good pick and roll point guard, who looks to pass the ball, maybe he is better then he has looked. I just dont see it on this team. He will get less shots on this team than Indy.

I may be alone on this island, but I dont want Turner unless it is a super buy low candidate.
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Post#623 » by 10giz » Tue Dec 7, 2021 11:56 pm

Any chance ORL would consider moving Bamba?

He's an RFA ($22,706,228 QO) and will almost assuredly receiving a massive if not max deal from someone. Does ORL want to put that on their books considering how far they are from contention?

Especially with ORL likely drafting in the top 3-5 this upcoming draft with Smith, Banchero and Holmgren incoming. They already gave Carter 4/50 (great deal - descending cap hit) too.

He's the type of player I see our FO targeting. Someone who's upside hasn't even been scratched yet, young, and can potentially be under team control long term.

Unlikely but would be a great fit for us.
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Post#624 » by KL78192020 » Wed Dec 8, 2021 3:35 am

Harry Giles is stuck in the G-league. He looked decent when he played, injuries kept him back. Feel like he can be a late bloomer like Christian Wood was.
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Post#625 » by Rodrickle » Wed Dec 8, 2021 3:42 am

10giz wrote:Any chance ORL would consider moving Bamba?

He's an RFA ($22,706,228 QO) and will almost assuredly receiving a massive if not max deal from someone. Does ORL want to put that on their books considering how far they are from contention?

Especially with ORL likely drafting in the top 3-5 this upcoming draft with Smith, Banchero and Holmgren incoming. They already gave Carter 4/50 (great deal - descending cap hit) too.

He's the type of player I see our FO targeting. Someone who's upside hasn't even been scratched yet, young, and can potentially be under team control long term.

Unlikely but would be a great fit for us.
max deal for Bamba?? I'd say around $15m/yr. maybe 20. I would take a chance on him depending on price

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Post#626 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Wed Dec 8, 2021 1:28 pm

10giz wrote:Any chance ORL would consider moving Bamba?

He's an RFA ($22,706,228 QO) and will almost assuredly receiving a massive if not max deal from someone. Does ORL want to put that on their books considering how far they are from contention?

Especially with ORL likely drafting in the top 3-5 this upcoming draft with Smith, Banchero and Holmgren incoming. They already gave Carter 4/50 (great deal - descending cap hit) too.

He's the type of player I see our FO targeting. Someone who's upside hasn't even been scratched yet, young, and can potentially be under team control long term.

Unlikely but would be a great fit for us.


seems like a key cog piece for Orlando. Its hard finding helpful big men. I think Orlando is set between Carter Jr and Bamba.

they just need Isaac to come back to see what they really got as a core.

Isaac
Bamba
Wagner

right now seem like a legit starting foundation.

Suggs, Fultz should be in the running but one is like a backup guard and the other is injured. right now.


Cole Anthony is a questionable piece for them.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#627 » by Morris_Shatford » Wed Dec 8, 2021 2:58 pm

10giz wrote:Any chance ORL would consider moving Bamba?

He's an RFA ($22,706,228 QO) and will almost assuredly receiving a massive if not max deal from someone. Does ORL want to put that on their books considering how far they are from contention?

Especially with ORL likely drafting in the top 3-5 this upcoming draft with Smith, Banchero and Holmgren incoming. They already gave Carter 4/50 (great deal - descending cap hit) too.

He's the type of player I see our FO targeting. Someone who's upside hasn't even been scratched yet, young, and can potentially be under team control long term.

Unlikely but would be a great fit for us.


Would love to take a flyer on Bamba but I think there are some challenges.

Orlando has Isaac and WCJ locked up long term at the 4/5.
Neither deal is exactly a break the bank deal as with both they are committed to around 32m total next season.

The Magic will also be around 84m in committed salary before signing Bamba which is well below the 112m cap.
While he has doubled his minutes his production hasn't increased the way I would hoped to see in nearly 30MPG,

I think that he likely ends up with a deal somewhere in the WCJ to Isaac range this summer which really isnt all that awful when you consider that the Magic don't have to worry about signing their new-ish young core for a few more seasons and you have Harris off the books this summer and Ross the following summer.

Any motivation to move Bamba has to be directly tied to if and when Isaac comes back and how he plays next to either WCJ or Bamba, so we may be off a ways from that even being a topic.
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Post#628 » by Morris_Shatford » Wed Dec 8, 2021 3:05 pm

Sniffing around the trade board I came across a suggestion I am not sure about.

Would you move Dragic's expiring for LeVert?
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Post#629 » by Psubs » Wed Dec 8, 2021 3:16 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:Sniffing around the trade board I came across a suggestion I am not sure about.

Would you move Dragic's expiring for LeVert?


Indiana gets: Goran Dragic
Cleveland gets: LeVert and cash (from Toronto and Indiana)
Toronto gets: Ricky Rubio

It would be like buying out Dragic with the cap savings. Still have a player that might play backup PG for the team.
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Post#630 » by Morris_Shatford » Wed Dec 8, 2021 3:25 pm

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Morris_Shatford wrote:Sniffing around the trade board I came across a suggestion I am not sure about.

Would you move Dragic's expiring for LeVert?


Indiana gets: Goran Dragic
Cleveland gets: LeVert and cash (from Toronto and Indiana)
Toronto gets: Ricky Rubio

It would be like buying out Dragic with the cap savings. Still have a player that might play backup PG for the team.


Cleveland appears to be getting some burn out of Ricky?

My thought with LeVert is really more along the lines of keeping us above the cap but below the tax next season with a sizable expiring if we needed it,
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Post#631 » by OakleyDokely » Wed Dec 8, 2021 4:30 pm

10giz wrote:Any chance ORL would consider moving Bamba?

He's an RFA ($22,706,228 QO) and will almost assuredly receiving a massive if not max deal from someone. Does ORL want to put that on their books considering how far they are from contention?

Especially with ORL likely drafting in the top 3-5 this upcoming draft with Smith, Banchero and Holmgren incoming. They already gave Carter 4/50 (great deal - descending cap hit) too.

He's the type of player I see our FO targeting. Someone who's upside hasn't even been scratched yet, young, and can potentially be under team control long term.

Unlikely but would be a great fit for us.


I think he will sign a similar deal to J Allen (5/100) with the Magic.

Unless you're a consistent all-nba type big man like AD, Gobert etc it's hard for a C to get max nowadays.
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Post#632 » by KrazyP » Wed Dec 8, 2021 6:03 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:Sniffing around the trade board I came across a suggestion I am not sure about.

Would you move Dragic's expiring for LeVert?


If the Raps cant get value for Dragic's expiring this year, it makes sense to roll it over for another expiring next year (as long the Raps still have room under next years luxury tax to potentially use their MLE and sign draft picks).

That said, LeVert is a negative asset as he's always injured. The Pacers would need to add draft compensation for this to work.
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Post#633 » by tecumseh18 » Wed Dec 8, 2021 6:04 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:Sniffing around the trade board I came across a suggestion I am not sure about.

Would you move Dragic's expiring for LeVert?


In a NY minute. People whine about Raps not having a proper C, but the real issue is that now with Kyle gone, we're short on guards who can light it up. Having Norm off the bench - or able to start when Fred or Kyle was hurt - was such a big part of the Raps success in the 2019-2020 season.

I don't know what the hell happened to Lavert. He's not having a good season. But he seems an ideal buy-low candidate.
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Post#634 » by ItsDanger » Wed Dec 8, 2021 6:10 pm

Giles sounds like a good option if we can fit him in salary wise.

Only a matter of time until Achiuwa gets injured. With Birch out (still swelling indicates a high probability he will need surgery), what are we going to do when it happens? Grind down our other players? Should always have 3 Cs on the roster. Or bring Freddie G back, at least he can absorb minutes in the interim period.
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Post#635 » by goinrogue » Wed Dec 8, 2021 6:12 pm

Why in the world would Indy do that trade? I feel like we’re just going to have to buy out Goran don’t think he has any trade value.
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Post#636 » by Morris_Shatford » Wed Dec 8, 2021 7:06 pm

goinrogue wrote:Why in the world would Indy do that trade? I feel like we’re just going to have to buy out Goran don’t think he has any trade value.


Entirely for cap reasons;
Assuming the Pacers walk away from Lamb and Warren this off-season they still at 112m in committed salary.

If the plan is to mop the decks wiping away 18m off the books next season should have some value to them.
Dragic expires and they are potentially under the cap walking into the off-season.

The entire concept hinges on
1) No one else wanting to roll the dice on an oft injured LeVert next season
2) That the Pacers are actually willing to enter a rebuild.
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Post#637 » by Morris_Shatford » Wed Dec 8, 2021 7:10 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:Sniffing around the trade board I came across a suggestion I am not sure about.

Would you move Dragic's expiring for LeVert?


In a NY minute. People whine about Raps not having a proper C, but the real issue is that now with Kyle gone, we're short on guards who can light it up. Having Norm off the bench - or able to start when Fred or Kyle was hurt - was such a big part of the Raps success in the 2019-2020 season.

I don't know what the hell happened to Lavert. He's not having a good season. But he seems an ideal buy-low candidate.


I think if LeVert gives us 15 games it would be a bonus.
From my perspective its about staying in that sweet spot between the cap and the tax and LeVert's contract does just that for us.
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Post#638 » by Rapsfan07 » Wed Dec 8, 2021 8:21 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:Sniffing around the trade board I came across a suggestion I am not sure about.

Would you move Dragic's expiring for LeVert?


I probably would. Even when Dragic expires, we’re still over the cap and can't acquire anyone noteworthy anyway.

Worst case scenario we’re in the same situation next year with him as we are with Dragic this year. Best case scenario he picks up his play and we can sell high next year.

I see no harm in this.
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Post#639 » by WaltFrazier » Wed Dec 8, 2021 9:18 pm

Watching replay of Nets-Mavs now, Reggie Miller is raving about Powell. Started almost every game, developing great chemistry wit Luka, frequently catching lobs or inside passes for dunks from Luka. No way they'd trade him to us for Dragic.
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Post#640 » by KL78192020 » Wed Dec 8, 2021 10:46 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:Sniffing around the trade board I came across a suggestion I am not sure about.

Would you move Dragic's expiring for LeVert?


I think they could at least get a 1st round pick from another team.

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