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DelAbbot wrote:GreatWhiteStiff wrote:720 wrote:Yo dude, Idk why it’s interesting but I found an old thread from 2013 where we were both on TeamMediocre/ anti tank. Different world.
pm me the link!
pm me the link too
ATLTimekeeper wrote:KL78192020 wrote:
Its not a flawed question. You have FVV/GTJ/OG/Siakam who will be free agents in 2023 and 2024. FVV will be a max contract and GJT will be getting a hefty raise. Siakam will also be up for this next max contract. So are we going to commit close to around 110million to 120million to those guys?
No. And to again examine that you don't understand this part of the debate, what was Kawhi's trade value prior Zaza stepping in his landing space?Even if its in 2024, what is the trade you're making for a top 5 player? How are you getting the next Kawhi?
Why does it have to be in 2024? Now tell the future top 5 NBA player that we can get by 2024, or stop asking this question that doesn't have an answer to.
720 wrote:Davis is probably going to play his way up above our range but atm some mocks have him in that 14-18 area where we currently preside.
Badonkadonk wrote:720 wrote:Davis is probably going to play his way up above our range but atm some mocks have him in that 14-18 area where we currently preside.
Yeah I'm a fan of Davis' game.
KL78192020 wrote:ATLTimekeeper wrote:KL78192020 wrote:
Its not a flawed question. You have FVV/GTJ/OG/Siakam who will be free agents in 2023 and 2024. FVV will be a max contract and GJT will be getting a hefty raise. Siakam will also be up for this next max contract. So are we going to commit close to around 110million to 120million to those guys?
No. And to again examine that you don't understand this part of the debate, what was Kawhi's trade value prior Zaza stepping in his landing space?Even if its in 2024, what is the trade you're making for a top 5 player? How are you getting the next Kawhi?
Why does it have to be in 2024? Now tell the future top 5 NBA player that we can get by 2024, or stop asking this question that doesn't have an answer to.
Its 2024 because 4 of your starters are free agents in the next year or two, what are you going to do with them? Are you committing to them long term?
It doesn't matter who the top 5 are, the question is how are the Raptors getting that top 5 player like Kawhi? Are you saying the team should just hope that a top 5 player gets injured and demands a trade and the Raptors swoop in?
KL78192020 wrote:Its 2024 because 4 of your starters are free agents in the next year or two, what are you going to do with them? Are you committing to them long term?
It doesn't matter who the top 5 are, the question is how are the Raptors getting that top 5 player like Kawhi? Are you saying the team should just hope that a top 5 player gets injured and demands a trade and the Raptors swoop in?
720 wrote:Badonkadonk wrote:720 wrote:Davis is probably going to play his way up above our range but atm some mocks have him in that 14-18 area where we currently preside.
Yeah I'm a fan of Davis' game.
I was talking to some raptors fans about him on discord and they’re convinced he is going top 10. Which would be a bummer.
GreatWhiteStiff wrote:To the knicks board!
ATLTimekeeper wrote:KL78192020 wrote:Its 2024 because 4 of your starters are free agents in the next year or two, what are you going to do with them? Are you committing to them long term?
It doesn't matter who the top 5 are, the question is how are the Raptors getting that top 5 player like Kawhi? Are you saying the team should just hope that a top 5 player gets injured and demands a trade and the Raptors swoop in?
You can commit to some of them long-term, sure. Do all these guys have to be trade chips for "the next Kawhi?" JV was traded for Marc Gasol. TRoss was traded for Ibaka.
As for the second part, you just don't seem to get the premise of the conversation. If you literally need a non-Kawhi example tell me if you think 2019 James Harden would return Cariss LaVert and some future firsts and marginal prospects.
KL78192020 wrote:ATLTimekeeper wrote:KL78192020 wrote:Its 2024 because 4 of your starters are free agents in the next year or two, what are you going to do with them? Are you committing to them long term?
It doesn't matter who the top 5 are, the question is how are the Raptors getting that top 5 player like Kawhi? Are you saying the team should just hope that a top 5 player gets injured and demands a trade and the Raptors swoop in?
You can commit to some of them long-term, sure. Do all these guys have to be trade chips for "the next Kawhi?" JV was traded for Marc Gasol. TRoss was traded for Ibaka.
As for the second part, you just don't seem to get the premise of the conversation. If you literally need a non-Kawhi example tell me if you think 2019 James Harden would return Cariss LaVert and some future firsts and marginal prospects.
The Nets traded three first round draft picks (2022, 2024 and 2026) and four first round pick swaps (2021, 2023, 2025 and 2027) and Allen/Levert/Prince for Harden.
Harden also wanted to play with KD/Kyrie. When was last time a top 5 level player demanded a trade and picked Toronto as his preferred destination? Even after winning a championship Kawhi left the first chance he got. Harden wanted to be on the Nets which makes a huge difference when giving up all those picks.
That would be a lot of assets to give up for a guy you only have control over for one or to years. It would be the equivalent of trading OG/GTJ and all those picks to see Harden leave after a year.
Los_29 wrote:KL78192020 wrote:ATLTimekeeper wrote:
You can commit to some of them long-term, sure. Do all these guys have to be trade chips for "the next Kawhi?" JV was traded for Marc Gasol. TRoss was traded for Ibaka.
As for the second part, you just don't seem to get the premise of the conversation. If you literally need a non-Kawhi example tell me if you think 2019 James Harden would return Cariss LaVert and some future firsts and marginal prospects.
The Nets traded three first round draft picks (2022, 2024 and 2026) and four first round pick swaps (2021, 2023, 2025 and 2027) and Allen/Levert/Prince for Harden.
Harden also wanted to play with KD/Kyrie. When was last time a top 5 level player demanded a trade and picked Toronto as his preferred destination? Even after winning a championship Kawhi left the first chance he got. Harden wanted to be on the Nets which makes a huge difference when giving up all those picks.
That would be a lot of assets to give up for a guy you only have control over for one or to years. It would be the equivalent of trading OG/GTJ and all those picks to see Harden leave after a year.
No they didn't. Prince and Allen went to Cleveland and Levert was then swapped for an expiring contract in Oladipo. Houston only got late FRP's for James Harden.
Harden had Portland, Boston and Milwaukee on his list of teams he'd accept a trade to. Players want to win. If players are willing to go to Portland and Milwaukee to do that then Toronto will be on that list as well if we are a contending team.
KL78192020 wrote:Los_29 wrote:KL78192020 wrote:
The Nets traded three first round draft picks (2022, 2024 and 2026) and four first round pick swaps (2021, 2023, 2025 and 2027) and Allen/Levert/Prince for Harden.
Harden also wanted to play with KD/Kyrie. When was last time a top 5 level player demanded a trade and picked Toronto as his preferred destination? Even after winning a championship Kawhi left the first chance he got. Harden wanted to be on the Nets which makes a huge difference when giving up all those picks.
That would be a lot of assets to give up for a guy you only have control over for one or to years. It would be the equivalent of trading OG/GTJ and all those picks to see Harden leave after a year.
No they didn't. Prince and Allen went to Cleveland and Levert was then swapped for an expiring contract in Oladipo. Houston only got late FRP's for James Harden.
Harden had Portland, Boston and Milwaukee on his list of teams he'd accept a trade to. Players want to win. If players are willing to go to Portland and Milwaukee to do that then Toronto will be on that list as well if we are a contending team.
Where ever those players went after isn't what matter, the fact this that is the complete list of assets needed to complete the trade for Harden. Without those assets the trade doesn't happen. Levert/Allen/Price were all required to complete the trade based on Houston's demands for extra picks via Cleveland.