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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#621 » by Vampirate » Mon May 8, 2023 2:25 am

Brinbe wrote:
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Brinbe wrote:the jay are contenders. they have the assets to add on to this team and fix their holes.


I'll believe it when I see it.

Tbh no Jays team has ever won more than 95 games in over 25 years which is sad.

The Jays were a perennial .500 team, much like how the Angels are these years despite lucking into Ohtani and Trout.

bro, lol that's an artifical take. the jays are in a tough division and have the offense/defense to win. the pitching is the swing but they've held up alright so far. they'll be in the mix and are def a playoff team at the very least. but baseball postseason is like hockey, it doesn't matter if you have an 85-win team or a 110-win team.


Yeah, but I want to see a dominant regular season Jays team. Give me that 100 win season lol. Dominating the regular season usually indicates you'll be good for a while and gives you more chances in the playoffs.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#622 » by bballsparkin » Mon May 8, 2023 2:27 am

Coco Costanza wrote:The Las Vegas Golden Knights managed to make it to the Stanley Cup in their inaugural season. Makes me think (not being a hockey fan) that hockey requires a certain will to win. You either have it or you don't. This Leafs team doesn't have it.


NHL is a hardcap. It totally screws teams. Blackhawks couldn't keep Byfuglien. End of a dynasty. Leafs lost Hyman. Oilers gain. LVK's and the Kraken got to work around that hard cap with foresight. And teams let players go in the expansion draft due to money. NHL definitely is a will to win league though. They're crazy the players. Leafs top heavy on forward talent. Not balanced.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#623 » by ItsDanger » Mon May 8, 2023 2:36 am

When you have half your cap tied up in 4 players not really considered playoff style guys, it's a problem Dubas should have identified a while ago.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#624 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Mon May 8, 2023 2:40 am

ItsDanger wrote:When you have half your cap tied up in 4 players not really considered playoff style guys, it's a problem Dubas should have identified a while ago.


they just don't have the "it" factor. we need one of the 4 guys play like Draisaitl.gauranteed at least 1 win in this series if we had a guy step up like that
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#625 » by Los_29 » Mon May 8, 2023 2:41 am

ItsDanger wrote:When you have half your cap tied up in 4 players not really considered playoff style guys, it's a problem Dubas should have identified a while ago.


Their top 4 guys haven’t been the problem.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#626 » by Coco Costanza » Mon May 8, 2023 2:42 am

Potential wrote:Wow 1967 was a long time ago. Another failed era for the Laughs.

Blue Jays we need to hope Kikuchi and Berrios can keep it up. The bullpen still needs an upgrade.
The AL East is ridiculously good. It feels like the entire division could win 100 games. (Might be possible this year with the new schedule format) The MLB should just give all 5 AL East teams a bye and have the other 10 AL teams play for the last playoff spot


They should just get rid of divisions altogether. It's not fair that you get teams in weaker divisions that get into the playoffs with a worse record than some teams in the AL East.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#627 » by Hottie McShotty » Mon May 8, 2023 2:43 am

im devasted fam. only one playoff win in 7 years with this core of players. just not good enough! you can't roll this back. someting has to give in the off-season.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#628 » by ItsDanger » Mon May 8, 2023 2:44 am

Los_29 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:When you have half your cap tied up in 4 players not really considered playoff style guys, it's a problem Dubas should have identified a while ago.


Their top 4 guys haven’t been the problem.

Zero goals against Florida. They are THE problem.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#629 » by Hottie McShotty » Mon May 8, 2023 2:45 am

Los_29 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:When you have half your cap tied up in 4 players not really considered playoff style guys, it's a problem Dubas should have identified a while ago.


Their top 4 guys haven’t been the problem.


0 goals in 3 games. yes they have been the problem. Matthews with only 2 shots tonight. you have to break up that core in the off-season.

the Leafs are not winning 4 straight. this season is over.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#630 » by Coco Costanza » Mon May 8, 2023 3:07 am

Vampirate wrote:
Brinbe wrote:
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I'll believe it when I see it.

Tbh no Jays team has ever won more than 95 games in over 25 years which is sad.

The Jays were a perennial .500 team, much like how the Angels are these years despite lucking into Ohtani and Trout.

bro, lol that's an artifical take. the jays are in a tough division and have the offense/defense to win. the pitching is the swing but they've held up alright so far. they'll be in the mix and are def a playoff team at the very least. but baseball postseason is like hockey, it doesn't matter if you have an 85-win team or a 110-win team.


Yeah, but I want to see a dominant regular season Jays team. Give me that 100 win season lol. Dominating the regular season usually indicates you'll be good for a while and gives you more chances in the playoffs.


Not really. The Seattle Mariners won 116 games one season, only to fail to make it to the World Series. The 85' Jays won 99, and blew it in the playoffs. Playoffs are usually a different beast.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#631 » by Vampirate » Mon May 8, 2023 3:10 am

Coco Costanza wrote:
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Brinbe wrote:bro, lol that's an artifical take. the jays are in a tough division and have the offense/defense to win. the pitching is the swing but they've held up alright so far. they'll be in the mix and are def a playoff team at the very least. but baseball postseason is like hockey, it doesn't matter if you have an 85-win team or a 110-win team.


Yeah, but I want to see a dominant regular season Jays team. Give me that 100 win season lol. Dominating the regular season usually indicates you'll be good for a while and gives you more chances in the playoffs.


Not really. The Seattle Mariners won 116 games one season, only to fail to make it to the World Series. The 85' Jays won 99, and blew it in the playoffs. Playoffs are usually a different beast.


You misunderstood what I meant.

I meant if you a 100+ win team, it usually means you'll have multiple seasons where your making the playoffs, thus more chances.

Obviously there are outliers like the Mariners being so dominant that one season then nada, but if the Jays had a great record, you'd feel more confident about them makiing the playoffs next season.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#632 » by JB7 » Mon May 8, 2023 3:14 am

ItsDanger wrote:Dubas is on last year of his contract. He was given way too much leeway to build this team. Instead, he completely wasted this core. Good riddance.


If Shanahan had a clue what he was doing, he would have fired Dubas years ago.

Dubas was given Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly to build with, and has basically done nothing with his draft picks, and much beyond signing Tavares as a FA, which was pretty much Tavares wanting to come home.

That’s why I gave up on the Leafs. Absolute joke of an organization.

Thank god ownership was too focused on the Leafs, to leave Masai to build the Raps. Result - championship over the same period of time in a league that is much more difficult to win in.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#633 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon May 8, 2023 3:36 am

Joke of a franchise.
Had us in the first half ngl.
Same ol' Leafs.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#634 » by Raps in 4 » Mon May 8, 2023 4:52 am

The sad thing is, this season will be looked at as a success because they got past the first round. Such a poverty franchise. Truly the Knicks of the NHL.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#635 » by tms » Mon May 8, 2023 5:41 am

That was tough to watch. Didn't look like they wanted to be out there tonight. Toronto media cripples teams. The Leafs might be lacking in some areas (leadership, for example) but it's a devastating combo. They shouldn't be losing to the Panthers, yet here we are. They shouldn't be desperate for a player who wasn't in the lineup to start the playoffs (i.e., Knies) but more and more that's how it's being framed. And nobody's surprised, which is probably the worst thing about it. Yeah... devastating.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#636 » by bballsparkin » Mon May 8, 2023 5:52 am

^^the Panthers are pretty good. Their goalie looks like the best in the world right now. Tkachuck, as much as I don't like him is a talented beast of a player. I'll take Ekblad over any Leafs defenseman. They're loaded with solid players like Barkov, Bennet etc.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#637 » by Ado05 » Mon May 8, 2023 6:19 am

The Leafs are a lot closer to another rebuild than they are to a championship.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#638 » by GQStylin » Mon May 8, 2023 9:19 am

JB7 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Dubas is on last year of his contract. He was given way too much leeway to build this team. Instead, he completely wasted this core. Good riddance.


If Shanahan had a clue what he was doing, he would have fired Dubas years ago.

Dubas was given Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly to build with, and has basically done nothing with his draft picks, and much beyond signing Tavares as a FA, which was pretty much Tavares wanting to come home.


The thing is Matthews, Marner and Nylander have been severely underperforming this whole Florida series so far so how can you blame THAT on Dubas? All he's done is try to add experience, leadership and toughness to this team to give them some backbone and right now its the star players that need to show up and deliver when they've stayed largely silent so far in this series.

Also have you been following any Leafs prospects AT ALL?? Besides Knies who has looked pretty darn good before he got injured, there's at least several more prospects that are looking pretty decent with the Marlies who could be in the lineup in a year or two. The Leafs went from having barely any good prospects in their system before Dubas arrived to now having a fair number who show some promise in being NHL players someday. That's something that Leafs fans haven't seen in many years and is part of the reason why they've seen relative little success until recently.

That’s why I gave up on the Leafs. Absolute joke of an organization.

Thank god ownership was too focused on the Leafs, to leave Masai to build the Raps. Result - championship over the same period of time in a league that is much more difficult to win in.


Its much easier to build a championship team in the NBA when one or two big moves that can land you a star player or two can be the difference between barely making the playoffs and becoming a championship team. All the Raptors needed was to get rid of Derozan in exchange for Kawhi and boom they went from a good team that could never play consistently well in the playoffs to winning a championship.

The NHL on the otherhand is truly a team sport and most everyone needs to be playing good to win in the playoffs. That's why its probably the hardest trophy to win in all of sports because you can't have any passengers and you have to grind out 16 wins.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#639 » by GQStylin » Mon May 8, 2023 9:30 am

Ado05 wrote:The Leafs are a lot closer to another rebuild than they are to a championship.


I disagree. If the Leafs' best players had shown up the way McDavid and especially Draisaitl have done for the Oilers so far in the playoffs, the Leafs would've beaten Tampa much more easily and probably be leading in the Florida series as well. Leafs stars have barely put up any points so far against Florida and obviously you can't win if your best players can't score.

If any of them had showed up and put up even a few points the Leafs wouldn't be down 3-0 right now.
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Re: OT: Leafs Playoff Run 

Post#640 » by M3tro » Mon May 8, 2023 11:09 am

And so begins the hero story of Matt Murray...

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