Thank Nation! Pre-Lottery: Denver 9th, NY pick 7th (PART 4)

Flight33 · Post #641 » by **Flight33** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:11 pm

We better win that damn coin toss.

Mark_83 · Post #642 » by **Mark_83** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:11 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:Is Deyonta Davis a poor man's Favors or a bigger John Henson? Raw, lanky defensive players with some hops and unpolished offense. They're built similarly.

Reminds me a bit of Clint Capella with better range and skills.

0 - 100 · Post #643 » by **0 - 100** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:13 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:Is Deyonta Davis a poor man's Favors or a bigger John Henson? Raw, lanky defensive players with some hops and unpolished offense. They're built similarly.

I wouldn't say he's like either of those players. He has a similar frame to Anthony Davis just needs to add more strength. He obviously has a ways ago to even reach that talent level but he's got great length and is athletic. Can play the pick and roll on offence but needs to work on that 15-20 foot jumper to elevate his game. Protects the rim, defends the pick and roll well.

I have zero idea about his character and work ethic but I wouldn't be surprised to see him climb up the draft boards during workouts.

brownbobcat · Post #644 » by **brownbobcat** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:14 pm

Dennis 37 wrote:
brownbobcat wrote:
Dennis 37 wrote:Other than being the 37th pick, which in itself is fantastic, I can't find anything that states he is no longer on the Raptors roster, even though I can't see how it us possible that he still is. He signed a contract with the 905, so does that not imply he is no longer Raptor property? Would there not have been some sort of news release if he was waived?

He was never on the Raptors roster, because he never signed a contract with them. He signed an overseas contract after being drafted (which expired in 2015), and the Raptors retain his NBA rights for 1 year thereafter (which expires sometime in 2016?), but I have no idea what his current status is. As I understand it, D-League rights and contracts have nothing to do with the NBA-side. 905 owning his rights just means that is the only D-league team he can play for. If/when the Raptors no longer hold his rights, then any team could sign him.

Thanks for that, see my edited post above for NBA League rule on draft rights players.

Ah, thanks. Anybody know how long NBA teams can hold draft rights players?

arbsn · Post #645 » by **arbsn** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:18 pm

artsncrafts wrote:At 10 which is what I am expecting as we always lose coin flips. I expect Masai to trade something. 10th + 26th + Bruno + delon + Bebe + Powell....wtf are we supposed to do with all of them.

I doubt he trades all of our prospects.

He probably does something like 26+TRoss+Bebe for a future 1st. That will give them cap flexibility to resign Bismack and also provide a future asset. TRoss doesn't really add value to this team now that we have Norm since Demar, Cojo and Lowry can all play the 2 plus I assume we take a guard at 10 since this is a guard heavy draft

monkey · Post #646 » by **monkey** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:01 pm

This is the most excited I've ever been for a Coin toss.

Anyone know how and when this is going to go down?

0 - 100 · Post #647 » by **0 - 100** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:11 pm

monkey wrote:This is the most excited I've ever been for a Coin toss.

Anyone know how and when this is going to go down?

tomorrow

LJKO · Post #648 » by **LJKO** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:16 pm

Imagine if some way our pick lucked out to be 2nd-5th and NY/Denver pick is 8th; i'll immediately collapse of that shockness

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #649 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:19 pm

What?!?! Another coin flip? When will we find out, in case I missed it already?

0 - 100 · Post #650 » by **0 - 100** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:20 pm

guys read the thread before asking questions that have recently been answered

ruckus · Post #651 » by **ruckus** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:30 pm

Can anyone calculate the odds for having both the 7th and 8th moving into the top 3?

gerrit4 · Post #652 » by **gerrit4** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:35 pm

ruckus wrote:Can anyone calculate the odds for having both the 7th and 8th moving into the top 3?

Someone earlier said that it was around 1%.

Just a note though (and I'm fairly certain of this) the lottery odds for 8,9 and 10 are all either exactly the same or very close (like one lottery ball apart) because the three teams are tied. So in other words, losing the coin toss doesn't really affect lottery odds - only positioning after the lottery.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure of this (and remember it from the Coin Toss Ross incident).

Inevitable · Post #653 » by **Inevitable** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:38 pm

Just get ready for Coin Toss Ross 2.0

CunningLinguist · Post #654 » by **CunningLinguist** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:38 pm

LJKO wrote:Imagine if some way our pick lucked out to be 2nd-5th and NY/Denver pick is 8th; i'll immediately collapse of that shockness

Our own pick is not in the lottery. Since we have the 4th best record our pick is 27th.

Tortiglioni · Post #655 » by **Tortiglioni** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:45 pm

No Raps season is complete without a coin toss.

First Step · Post #656 » by **First Step** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:56 pm

Mysticist wrote:Why is everyone assuming that there'll be a coin toss on tie breakers ?

http://stats.nba.com/playoffpicture

TIEBREAKER BASIS FOR TWO-WAY TIES:

(-) Tie breaker not needed (better overall winning percentage)
(1) Head-to-head won-lost percentage
(2) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division
(3) Division won-lost percentage for teams in the same division
(4) Conference won-lost percentage
(5) W-L Percentage vs. Playoff teams, own conference
(6) W-L Percentage vs. Playoff teams, other conference
(7) Net Points, all games

TIEBREAKER BASIS FOR MULTI-WAY TIES:

(-) Tie breaker not needed (better overall winning percentage)
(1) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division
(2) Head-to-head won-lost percentage
(3) Division won-lost percentage for teams in the same division
(4) Conference won-lost percentage
(5) W-L Percentage vs. Playoff teams, own conference
(6) W-L Percentage vs. Playoff teams, other conference
(7) Net Points, all games

but this is the likely outcome

Spoiler:

Colangelo is inquiring with the league if he can select Dragan Bender with the 3rd and 4th picks.

artsncrafts · Post #657 » by **artsncrafts** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:05 pm

CunningLinguist wrote:
LJKO wrote:Imagine if some way our pick lucked out to be 2nd-5th and NY/Denver pick is 8th; i'll immediately collapse of that shockness

Our own pick is not in the lottery. Since we have the 4th best record our pick is 27th.

I think he means, DEN pick to be 2nd and NY Pick to be 8th (that is fine with me)

CunningLinguist · Post #658 » by **CunningLinguist** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:08 pm

artsncrafts wrote:
CunningLinguist wrote:
LJKO wrote:Imagine if some way our pick lucked out to be 2nd-5th and NY/Denver pick is 8th; i'll immediately collapse of that shockness

Our own pick is not in the lottery. Since we have the 4th best record our pick is 27th.

I think he means, DEN pick to be 2nd and NY Pick to be 8th (that is fine with me)

I'm not sure how "our" pick can be interpreted as Denver's pick in that sentence, but O.K.

artsncrafts · Post #659 » by **artsncrafts** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:08 pm

CunningLinguist wrote:
artsncrafts wrote:
CunningLinguist wrote:
Our own pick is not in the lottery. Since we have the 4th best record our pick is 27th.

I think he means, DEN pick to be 2nd and NY Pick to be 8th (that is fine with me)

I'm not sure how "our" pick can be interpreted as Denver's pick in that sentence, but O.K.

Thats the only way it makes sense 8-)

I_Like_Dirt · Post #660 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:25 pm

artsncrafts wrote:Thats the only way it makes sense

It still doesn't make sense because there is no way any of the picks wind up 5th, for instance. That said, I think it's pretty clearly just a misunderstanding of how the lottery works, which isn't something to get worked up about since lots of people fit that bill. A bit more research and it gets figured out pretty quickly.