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Son Goku 25 · Post #641 » by **Son Goku 25** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:09 pm

If we somehow managed to get top 3 lottery we'd basically have 2 first rounds with the way our scouting is when selecting our 2nd pick early. If this draft is as good as people are saying then our 2nd pick would definitely be to replace a current rotation player with a not so great contract.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #642 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:27 pm

Son Goku 25 wrote:If we somehow managed to get top 3 lottery we'd basically have 2 first rounds with the way our scouting is when selecting our 2nd pick early. If this draft is as good as people are saying then our 2nd pick would definitely be to replace a current rotation player with a not so great contract.

unfortunately we don't have our 2nd round pick this year or next year

Son Goku 25 · Post #643 » by **Son Goku 25** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:22 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:
Son Goku 25 wrote:If we somehow managed to get top 3 lottery we'd basically have 2 first rounds with the way our scouting is when selecting our 2nd pick early. If this draft is as good as people are saying then our 2nd pick would definitely be to replace a current rotation player with a not so great contract.

unfortunately we don't have our 2nd round pick this year or next year

Oh damn didn't realize

JShuttlesworth · Post #644 » by **JShuttlesworth** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:40 pm

I agree with all the Mobley hype, he is my favourite big man prospect in quite some time.

All the stats I posted (pg 32) are All-Star NBA bigs, aside from Davis, Mobley's numbers stand out the most. He has a face up game, he can shoot, he can pass, has some nice hook shots around the rim, he plays defense. Just the way he moves at that size, it's rare to see a player that tall move around so effortlessly.

Maybe I'm crazy, and I might be alone here, but I have Mobley ahead of Cade.

Son Goku 25 · Post #645 » by **Son Goku 25** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:43 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:I agree with all the Mobley hype, he is my favourite big man prospect in quite some time.

All the stats I posted (pg 32) are All-Star NBA bigs, aside from Davis, Mobley's numbers stand out the most. He has a face up game, he can shoot, he can pass, has some nice hook shots around the rim, he plays defense. Just the way he moves at that size, it's rare to see a player that tall move around so effortlessly.

Maybe I'm crazy, and I might be alone here, but I have Mobley ahead of Cade.

You think he's the next Duncan? Honest to God that would make up for this season.

JShuttlesworth · Post #646 » by **JShuttlesworth** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:40 pm

Son Goku 25 wrote:
JShuttlesworth wrote:I agree with all the Mobley hype, he is my favourite big man prospect in quite some time.

All the stats I posted (pg 32) are All-Star NBA bigs, aside from Davis, Mobley's numbers stand out the most. He has a face up game, he can shoot, he can pass, has some nice hook shots around the rim, he plays defense. Just the way he moves at that size, it's rare to see a player that tall move around so effortlessly.

Maybe I'm crazy, and I might be alone here, but I have Mobley ahead of Cade.

You think he's the next Duncan? Honest to God that would make up for this season.

To me Duncan is securely a Top 15 player of all time, I would never make a comparison like that, I don't think that's fair.

When I look at Mobley though, he looks like he's built for the NBA, I think his game is going to translate well. The one 'knock' on him is that he needs to add size and strength. But his length, mobility, and shot blocking is going to make him a valuable asset defensively even as a rookie.

Will he be a primary option offensively? I'm not sure. Was Bosh a true primary scoring option? Because I think Mobley as a prospect looks just as good if not better than CB, and I think Bosh was best suited as 2nd / 3rd option, he still was an 11x All-Star. We still have Fred / Pascal / Anunoby who carry the offense, so Mobley wouldn't have to have to deal with that pressure early on.

At the end of the day, we aren't getting Mobley unless we have a Top 3 pick though.

Psubs · Post #647 » by **Psubs** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:26 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:
Son Goku 25 wrote:
JShuttlesworth wrote:I agree with all the Mobley hype, he is my favourite big man prospect in quite some time.

All the stats I posted (pg 32) are All-Star NBA bigs, aside from Davis, Mobley's numbers stand out the most. He has a face up game, he can shoot, he can pass, has some nice hook shots around the rim, he plays defense. Just the way he moves at that size, it's rare to see a player that tall move around so effortlessly.

Maybe I'm crazy, and I might be alone here, but I have Mobley ahead of Cade.

You think he's the next Duncan? Honest to God that would make up for this season.

To me Duncan is securely a Top 15 player of all time, I would never make a comparison like that, I don't think that's fair.

When I look at Mobley though, he looks like he's built for the NBA, I think his game is going to translate well. The one 'knock' on him is that he needs to add size and strength. But his length, mobility, and shot blocking is going to make him a valuable asset defensively even as a rookie.

Will he be a primary option offensively? I'm not sure. Was Bosh a true primary scoring option? Because I think Mobley as a prospect looks just as good if not better than CB, and I think Bosh was best suited as 2nd / 3rd option, he still was an 11x All-Star. We still have Fred / Pascal / Anunoby who carry the offense, so Mobley wouldn't have to have to deal with that pressure early on.

At the end of the day, we aren't getting Mobley unless we have a Top 3 pick though.

Agreed. He could be AD/Bosh level. There is no Duncan or Lebron in the draft but there could be many Wade's, Bosh's and Carmelo's.

Even next year, Chet Holmgren could be Durant but more like Porzingis with better handles. Wembenyana could be the PF version of Gobert but more like taller Pokusevski.

So far this year, Lamelo looks like he could be less athletic Penny Hardaway. Which is the ceiling I gave him last year.

Psubs · Post #648 » by **Psubs** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:35 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:I agree with all the Mobley hype, he is my favourite big man prospect in quite some time.

All the stats I posted (pg 32) are All-Star NBA bigs, aside from Davis, Mobley's numbers stand out the most. He has a face up game, he can shoot, he can pass, has some nice hook shots around the rim, he plays defense. Just the way he moves at that size, it's rare to see a player that tall move around so effortlessly.

Maybe I'm crazy, and I might be alone here, but I have Mobley ahead of Cade.

Mobley has such quick hops from standstill, it's crazy.

Cade has sooooo many turnovers that he's way less of a PG than Ben Simmons. He's a point forward right now. Maybe it's his team not being as talented. Is he a taller, more athletic Evan Turner that can shoot 3's? Evan Turner was drafted #2 overall.

Hmmmm, in 2010 the Clippers drafted Aminu #8 and should've drafted local boy Paul George (taken #10).

Bruin · Post #649 » by **Bruin** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:39 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:I agree with all the Mobley hype, he is my favourite big man prospect in quite some time.

All the stats I posted (pg 32) are All-Star NBA bigs, aside from Davis, Mobley's numbers stand out the most. He has a face up game, he can shoot, he can pass, has some nice hook shots around the rim, he plays defense. Just the way he moves at that size, it's rare to see a player that tall move around so effortlessly.

Maybe I'm crazy, and I might be alone here, but I have Mobley ahead of Cade.

I’m really high on Mobley too but unfortunately with the way the league is right now, having a big as your star player kind of puts a cap on your teams potential. Like with KAT in Minnesota and AD in Nola. Arguments can be made for Jokic and Embiid but as we’ve seen Embiid can’t take a team to the top himself and Jokic has a great sidekick in Jamal

The days of elite bigs carrying teams to the finals like Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem are over

I’d rather get an elite wing like Cade. If we already had an elite wing then I’d be all over Mobley though

JShuttlesworth · Post #650 » by **JShuttlesworth** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:06 pm

PrinceAli wrote:
JShuttlesworth wrote:I agree with all the Mobley hype, he is my favourite big man prospect in quite some time.

All the stats I posted (pg 32) are All-Star NBA bigs, aside from Davis, Mobley's numbers stand out the most. He has a face up game, he can shoot, he can pass, has some nice hook shots around the rim, he plays defense. Just the way he moves at that size, it's rare to see a player that tall move around so effortlessly.

Maybe I'm crazy, and I might be alone here, but I have Mobley ahead of Cade.

I’m really high on Mobley too but unfortunately with the way the league is right now, having a big as your star player kind of puts a cap on your teams potential. Like with KAT in Minnesota and AD in Nola. Arguments can be made for Jokic and Embiid but as we’ve seen Embiid can’t take a team to the top himself and Jokic has a great sidekick in Jamal

The days of elite bigs carrying teams to the finals like Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem are over

I’d rather get an elite wing like Cade. If we already had an elite wing then I’d be all over Mobley though

I don't really buy the argument about bigs not winning.

The Heat just went to the finals with Bam as their second best player, the Lakers just won with a big as one of their stars, the Nuggets took down the Clippers with Jokic, Embiid is dominating this year, etc.

I'm not saying Mobley wouldn't need help, I think you'd have to pair him with another star, no different than anyone else in the league. No one is winning championships alone, not Lebron, not Steph, not Durant. You need multiple All-Stars to win championships, and even still it's not a sure thing -- Ask Harden, Westbrook, Paul or George. I'd want to pair him with an elite wing for sure, but that doesn't make Mobley any less valuable to me.

Now if you draft an elite wing, you still need to an elite level option to pair him with regardless, whether it's a guard or a big man. Either way, one player isn't going to make you contender unless he turns out to be a generational talent.

Bruin · Post #651 » by **Bruin** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:54 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
JShuttlesworth wrote:I agree with all the Mobley hype, he is my favourite big man prospect in quite some time.

All the stats I posted (pg 32) are All-Star NBA bigs, aside from Davis, Mobley's numbers stand out the most. He has a face up game, he can shoot, he can pass, has some nice hook shots around the rim, he plays defense. Just the way he moves at that size, it's rare to see a player that tall move around so effortlessly.

Maybe I'm crazy, and I might be alone here, but I have Mobley ahead of Cade.

I’m really high on Mobley too but unfortunately with the way the league is right now, having a big as your star player kind of puts a cap on your teams potential. Like with KAT in Minnesota and AD in Nola. Arguments can be made for Jokic and Embiid but as we’ve seen Embiid can’t take a team to the top himself and Jokic has a great sidekick in Jamal

The days of elite bigs carrying teams to the finals like Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem are over

I’d rather get an elite wing like Cade. If we already had an elite wing then I’d be all over Mobley though

I don't really buy the argument about bigs not winning.

The Heat just went to the finals with Bam as their second best player, the Lakers just won with a big as one of their stars, the Nuggets took down the Clippers with Jokic, Embiid is dominating this year, etc.

I'm not saying Mobley wouldn't need help, I think you'd have to pair him with another star, no different than anyone else in the league. No one is winning championships alone, not Lebron, not Steph, not Durant. You need multiple All-Stars to win championships, and even still it's not a sure thing -- Ask Harden, Westbrook, Paul or George. I'd want to pair him with an elite wing for sure, but that doesn't make Mobley any less valuable to me.

Now if you draft an elite wing, you still need to an elite level option to pair him with regardless, whether it's a guard or a big man. Either way, one player isn't going to make you contender unless he turns out to be a generational talent.

Yeah no I agree it’s possible to win with an elite big. I just don’t think he can be that first option guy. AD had lebron, Bam had Butler, Jokic beat the clippers cause Murray went god mode. Embiid doing well in the regular season is a different story cause we’ve yet to see how it’ll translate to the playoffs

Psubs · Post #652 » by **Psubs** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:59 pm

Let's keep bucking the trend and make other teams deal with FVV/OG/Siakam/Boucher/Mobley lineup.

PG FVV
SG Cade/Suggs/Green
SF OG
PF Siakam
C Boucher?

PG FVV
SG OG
SF Kuminga/JJohnson
PF Siakam
C Boucher?

Any of the other pikcs stil have the question of, can Boucher start at C?

Syd-TK3 · Post #653 » by **Syd-TK3** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:08 pm

Psubs wrote:Let's keep bucking the trend and make other teams deal with FVV/OG/Siakam/Boucher/Mobley lineup.

PG FVV
SG Cade/Suggs/Green
SF OG
PF Siakam
C Boucher?

PG FVV
SG OG
SF Kuminga/JJohnson
PF Siakam
C Boucher?

Any of the other pikcs stil have the question of, can Boucher start at C?

Boucher is definitely not a starter but luckily the draft is before free agency so in these scenarios from these 5 picks we either use the cap space on a wing or a center and the draft fills the other

mademan · Post #654 » by **mademan** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:39 pm

Jalen Johnson please. Dude's just a winner. And i think he's a good enough ball handler that you can put him at PG in a year or so

Johnson
FVV
OG
Siakam
...

Just missing a C. Hopefully Lowry trade gets us a pick and we knock that out of the park too

notagenius · Post #655 » by **notagenius** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:48 pm

What do you guys think of kuminga?

Dalek · Post #656 » by **Dalek** » Mon Feb 1, 2021 4:50 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:
Psubs wrote:Let's keep bucking the trend and make other teams deal with FVV/OG/Siakam/Boucher/Mobley lineup.

PG FVV
SG Cade/Suggs/Green
SF OG
PF Siakam
C Boucher?

PG FVV
SG OG
SF Kuminga/JJohnson
PF Siakam
C Boucher?

Any of the other pikcs stil have the question of, can Boucher start at C?

Boucher is definitely not a starter but luckily the draft is before free agency so in these scenarios from these 5 picks we either use the cap space on a wing or a center and the draft fills the other

I want Mobley and see him as the top prospect, but I do not see him as the starting center next year. From what I understand, he weighs about 210 lbs. I don't want to see this guy get injured banging against guys like Vuc, Embiid etc. Do what Memphis did and put a traditional big beside him, like they put JV beside JJJ. Of course, if know has patience they could draft Cade or Suggs and start him right away and let them dominate.

Psubs · Post #657 » by **Psubs** » Mon Feb 1, 2021 5:15 pm

Dalek wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:
Psubs wrote:Let's keep bucking the trend and make other teams deal with FVV/OG/Siakam/Boucher/Mobley lineup.

PG FVV
SG Cade/Suggs/Green
SF OG
PF Siakam
C Boucher?

PG FVV
SG OG
SF Kuminga/JJohnson
PF Siakam
C Boucher?

Any of the other pikcs stil have the question of, can Boucher start at C?

Boucher is definitely not a starter but luckily the draft is before free agency so in these scenarios from these 5 picks we either use the cap space on a wing or a center and the draft fills the other

I want Mobley and see him as the top prospect, but I do not see him as the starting center next year. From what I understand, he weighs about 210 lbs. I don't want to see this guy get injured banging against guys like Vuc, Embiid etc. Do what Memphis did and put a traditional big beside him, like they put JV beside JJJ. Of course, if know has patience they could draft Cade or Suggs and start him right away and let them dominate.

Which ever leads to a championship.

I don't mind them trying to get another FA big on a 1 year deal. Kelly Olynyk for 4 year MLE?

Stromile12 · Post #658 » by **Stromile12** » Mon Feb 1, 2021 5:18 pm

Syd-TK3 · Post #659 » by **Syd-TK3** » Mon Feb 1, 2021 8:27 pm

genius- wrote:What do you guys think of kuminga?

Got the most potential in the draft imo
He the youngest guy though so a bit of a project

Psubs · Post #660 » by **Psubs** » Mon Feb 1, 2021 9:54 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:
genius- wrote:What do you guys think of kuminga?

Got the most potential in the draft imo
He the youngest guy though so a bit of a project

In the 2 scrimmages that they lost Kuminga was doing the best. We'll see how he does in a couple of weeks.

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