2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9

WuTang_OG · Post #641 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:01 pm

DonDoolie wrote:
Jerry Lucas wrote:Indiana giving pick 23 to the Pels for their 2026 FRP back

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Pacers really dragged their nuts across out FOs face with that Pascal trade.

Masai still working it

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CoinTossRoss31 · Post #642 » by **CoinTossRoss31** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:04 pm

So essentially we got Brandon Ingram for the 23rd pick of this draft.

I dont know how anyone can say thats not good value.

XTC · Post #643 » by **XTC** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:05 pm

While flawed, the average PER of the last 10 #9 picks is 13.4, their BPM is -1.4, and their average VORP is 1.2... there have been a total of 0 allstars.

Anyone expecting a star with the #9 pick is seriously hoping for a miracle. The chances are so slim.

DreamTeam09 · Post #644 » by **DreamTeam09** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:05 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:

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Anyone thinking we weren't targeting Maluach from the jump was just being delusional because he's not their preference for w/e reason.
I've stated from the jump, Maluach or trade down

I just don't think we're leaking our draft board like that, or that they'd view this pick with such a singular purpose. We've never done that.

We've always targetted players tho. I don't really believe in the Raps talking thru the media either but some leaks don't have to be from the organization side.
Masai has mentioned we beefing a young big,
The Maluach Masai BAL connection
The fact that we absolutely could use Maluach skillset
It's just obvious that is who we are targeting and the other players around that range really appeal to us. We have GD n Walter n Shead, none of the guards in range r leaps n bounds better than our guy.
So yeah it make sense for us to be targeting a big and if we can't get the big at the top of our board, maybe we extract some value and get the 2nd or 3rd big on our board. All of this make sense from a rationale standpoint

MainEvent · Post #645 » by **MainEvent** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:05 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:Okay I’ve switched up my board again. Now it’s Coward with the 9th pick, we need the next JDub!

Coward
Mal
Noa
Bryant

that would b sick. The amount of rim pressure JDub applied yesterday was crazy, he was relentless. His handle and self creation were a strength coming into the league tho where as Coward it's seen as a negative. I do think he has more self creation potential than Carter Bryant though and maybe he can unlock it a little more as he improves his handle

its too bad his season got cut short

WuTang_OG · Post #646 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:09 pm

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Dalek · Post #647 » by **Dalek** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:11 pm

grant101 wrote:Newell is not a center and Wolf doesn't play like one either. I really hope the rumors of our interest are smoke. Would much prefer a bet on Wang or Reynaud. At least I can see the upside with those two.

How does Wolf not play like a C? He rebounds well, is mobile enough to contest shots. Maybe he is not a gritty defender, but neither is Wang or Raynaud.

What Wolf excels at is ball handling. You can invert pick and rolls with a big like him. If he develops his shot he can be an even bigger threat offensively. He is exactly like what we have been doing with Jontay Porter and Kello Olynyk. He is a Darko facilitator big and having him allows us to have more cutting and dynamic motion/flex offense.

Asa Newell is mostly an offensive-minded PF/C. He doesn't rebound enough defensively, and is a bit on the short side, but he is a high effort player. He seems like the most Raptorsy player in my mind being that quiet focused worker type. We do burn through these types like Precious and Mogbo, but Asa seems a bit bigger than the others. He hasn't shown any real passing chops which is a check against him.

Both these guys in theory can stretch the floor, so I think the outline of who they are makes sense for Toronto. I have been behind them for a while now as better value plays than Maluach or Queen who will go higher and not have as high an outcome as their draft slot if they go 9 or sooner.

CoinTossRoss31 · Post #648 » by **CoinTossRoss31** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:14 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:

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Me on realgm manifesting 9 for 13 and 22 lol

BoyzNTheHood · Post #649 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:20 pm

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Basketball_Jones · Post #650 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:26 pm

Oh hell yeah let’s trade down grab Fleming and Jase and that Asian center

Clutch0z24 · Post #651 » by **Clutch0z24** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:41 pm

I doubt we are trading down for multiple draft picks if i had to guess...We already have Ochai/Dick/Walter/Battle/Shead/Mogbo/Chomche all on the team that are young guys that need to develop....Lets say we trade 9th for 2 FRPs....We would have 3 Rookies coming in next year....Thats 10 Roster spots with young players to develop....Add Ingram/Barnes/Quick/Yak/Barrett ...Thats a 15 team rotation majority filled with rookies or 2 year players....Thats not a winning formula in the NBA...

Gotta think if we move the 9th pick its in a consolidation move for a big upgrade + try and get back a pick within that trade as well so we can add depth ....Maybe RJ is involved in a 2nd move to bring a FRP back...Who knows...But i doubt we want to bring in 3 rookies next year unless we are tanking again.

deeps6x · Post #652 » by **deeps6x** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:47 pm

XTC wrote:While flawed, the average PER of the last 10 #9 picks is 13.4, their BPM is -1.4, and their average VORP is 1.2... there have been a total of 0 allstars.

Anyone expecting a star with the #9 pick is seriously hoping for a miracle. The chances are so slim.

So trade it for #13 and #22 and double your chances. Add Coward and Flemming. Get a couple players who can make 3s.

deeps6x · Post #653 » by **deeps6x** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:53 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:I doubt we are trading down for multiple draft picks if i had to guess...We already have Ochai/Dick/Walter/Battle/Shead/Mogbo/Chomche all on the team that are young guys that need to develop....Lets say we trade 9th for 2 FRPs....We would have 3 Rookies coming in next year....Thats 10 Roster spots with young players to develop....Add Ingram/Barnes/Quick/Yak/Barrett ...Thats a 15 team rotation majority filled with rookies or 2 year players....Thats not a winning formula in the NBA...

Gotta think if we move the 9th pick its in a consolidation move for a big upgrade + try and get back a pick within that trade as well so we can add depth ....Maybe RJ is involved in a 2nd move to bring a FRP back...Who knows...But i doubt we want to bring in 3 rookies next year unless we are tanking again.

Yeah. Lets bring back Lawson or Castleton as our 15th player, instead of grabbing an extra FRP like Flemming. Chomche won't be on the team next season. Hopefully the season after that tho.

Clutch0z24 · Post #654 » by **Clutch0z24** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:59 pm

deeps6x wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:I doubt we are trading down for multiple draft picks if i had to guess...We already have Ochai/Dick/Walter/Battle/Shead/Mogbo/Chomche all on the team that are young guys that need to develop....Lets say we trade 9th for 2 FRPs....We would have 3 Rookies coming in next year....Thats 10 Roster spots with young players to develop....Add Ingram/Barnes/Quick/Yak/Barrett ...Thats a 15 team rotation majority filled with rookies or 2 year players....Thats not a winning formula in the NBA...

Gotta think if we move the 9th pick its in a consolidation move for a big upgrade + try and get back a pick within that trade as well so we can add depth ....Maybe RJ is involved in a 2nd move to bring a FRP back...Who knows...But i doubt we want to bring in 3 rookies next year unless we are tanking again.

Yeah. Lets bring back Lawson or Castleton as our 15th player, instead of grabbing an extra FRP like Flemming. Chomche won't be on the team next season. Hopefully the season after that tho.

Point is if you are actually trying to compete next year and thats your goal....You are not having a majority of a team filled with rookies or 2 year players....Unless you are still rebuilding or going for lotto balls next year....Rookies & young players unless they are guys like Cooper Flagg types are rarely going to help you win games....More likely to lose more games the more young guys you have since they are still developing and make lots of mistakes...

From all accounts Masai is trying to win now as soon as next year....Which tells me hes trying to trade assets he has for upgrades to go in the direction of winning next year....Which is why i am saying the chances we add 3 rookies to a team with alot of young developing players already seems unrealistic for the talks/rumors around the team that we are going for "Big Fish" ....

We are more likely to use the 9th pick + players to trade for an established All star type guy than just trade for more rookies imo...Unless we are trying to be high in the lottery next year again...But i doubt thats the direction Masai is going...

XTC · Post #655 » by **XTC** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:00 pm

deeps6x wrote:
XTC wrote:While flawed, the average PER of the last 10 #9 picks is 13.4, their BPM is -1.4, and their average VORP is 1.2... there have been a total of 0 allstars.

Anyone expecting a star with the #9 pick is seriously hoping for a miracle. The chances are so slim.

So trade it for #13 and #22 and double your chances. Add Coward and Flemming. Get a couple players who can make 3s.

Unless someone falls, I've always been a fan of trading down for multiple picks if you're not picking in the top 5.

I'd trade #9 in a heartbeat to Atlanta for #13 + #22 and draft Fleming/Sorber at #13 and a guy like WCJ/Coward at #22

WuTang_OG · Post #656 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:01 pm

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WuTang_OG · Post #657 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:12 pm

So updated mock based on intel:

1. Cooper (Dallas)
2. Dylan (SAS)
3. VJ (Philly) .. assuming no trade down
4. Tre (Char)
5. Ace (Utah)
6. KM (Wash)
7. Fears (NO)
8. Noa (BRK)

Kon drops to 9

Dalek · Post #658 » by **Dalek** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:25 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:So updated mock based on intel:

1. Cooper (Dallas)
2. Dylan (SAS)
3. VJ (Philly) .. assuming no trade down
4. Tre (Char)
5. Ace (Utah)
6. KM (Wash)
7. Fears (NO)
8. Noa (BRK)

Kon drops to 9

Kon is such an average athlete it is hard to sell him as an upside pick, but it's interesting because the same could be said for Tre Johnson. I kind of think Kon is better than Johnson if you are teambuilding.

I imagine Kon falling to 10 and the Rockets grabbing him. They's love to have his shooting, I bet.

Ace in Utah is funny. They seem to always miss on picks, and this would be another big swing. Ace, Cody Williams (picked 10), Taylor Hendricks (picked 9) and even Brice Sensabaugh (picked 28) all seem to be forward flops although I really have high hopes for Brice.

Smalltown · Post #659 » by **Smalltown** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:33 pm

XTC wrote:Unless someone falls, I've always been a fan of trading down for multiple picks if you're not picking in the top 5.

I'd go so far as to say if you're not picking top 3 in most drafts I'd strongly consider it especially if one of the returning picks is top 15.

XTC · Post #660 » by **XTC** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:35 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:So updated mock based on intel:

1. Cooper (Dallas)
2. Dylan (SAS)
3. VJ (Philly) .. assuming no trade down
4. Tre (Char)
5. Ace (Utah)
6. KM (Wash)
7. Fears (NO)
8. Noa (BRK)

Kon drops to 9

Honestly I dont think this team can afford to draft another guard. I love Kon, but this team currently has RJ/Gradey/JKW/Ochai occupying the SG position.

If Kon is the choice, I dont think there's enough room of the roster for Kon, RJ, and Gradey.