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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#661 » by Raps in 4 » Sat Feb 8, 2020 4:30 pm

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AbbieCat2008 wrote:I am so glad Nurse FINALLY came to senses by playing more of Davis lately.
Two games in a row Davis had played significant minutes in the 4th. I have always believed in him.. and he proved it again why he deserves more minutes.

McCaw was non-existent tonight.


Its because Powell is hurt. His minutes will come from Powell. McCaw's minutes remain the same. TD will get some when we are behind but that hasn't happened a lot lately.

Maybe y'all can start hating on Powell too when he comes back.


Powell is actually productive, unlike McCaw.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#662 » by Raps in 4 » Sat Feb 8, 2020 4:35 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:It's time to lock this thread up. Yes, we might not view him as an NBA caliber player, but the coaching staff & front office clearly do. Let's accept the fact that they know more than us and they know what they're doing.
I will say this though, I have seen improvements in his game as of late. Slight improvements but improvements nonetheless.
He was pretty invisible tonight but I hope Nurse & co. can help him reach his full potential before the playoffs because it's a surefire bet that we'll see him in our playoff rotation.


All the metrics say that McCaw is terrible. It doesn't matter what the coaching staff see in him when they're wrong.

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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#663 » by Johnny Bball » Sat Feb 8, 2020 5:06 pm

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Johnny Bball wrote:
AbbieCat2008 wrote:I am so glad Nurse FINALLY came to senses by playing more of Davis lately.
Two games in a row Davis had played significant minutes in the 4th. I have always believed in him.. and he proved it again why he deserves more minutes.

McCaw was non-existent tonight.


Its because Powell is hurt. His minutes will come from Powell. McCaw's minutes remain the same. TD will get some when we are behind but that hasn't happened a lot lately.

Maybe y'all can start hating on Powell too when he comes back.


Powell is actually productive, unlike McCaw.


I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I said. McCaw is playing SF most of the time as people have apparently failed to notice. And it's his defense.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#664 » by ItsDanger » Sat Feb 8, 2020 6:09 pm

This is the 9th time McAwful has scored 2 or less pts in about 20+ minutes in 27 games this season. That is horrendous. In fact, I cannot recall another player on this team being that bad. Might have to go back to 2012 & further but we had plenty of chuckers back then.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#665 » by Raps in 4 » Sat Feb 8, 2020 6:32 pm

ItsDanger wrote:This is the 9th time McAwful has scored 2 or less pts in about 20+ minutes in 27 games this season. That is horrendous. In fact, I cannot recall another player on this team being that bad. Might have to go back to 2012 & further but we had plenty of chuckers back then.


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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#666 » by geminiz » Sat Feb 8, 2020 7:21 pm

Failure to notice his average-at-best defense? Yes indeed I fail to notice any lockdown defense.
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Johnny Bball wrote:
Its because Powell is hurt. His minutes will come from Powell. McCaw's minutes remain the same. TD will get some when we are behind but that hasn't happened a lot lately.

Maybe y'all can start hating on Powell too when he comes back.


Powell is actually productive, unlike McCaw.


I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I said. McCaw is playing SF most of the time as people have apparently failed to notice. And it's his defense.


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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#667 » by Johnny Bball » Sat Feb 8, 2020 8:02 pm

geminiz wrote:Failure to notice his average-at-best defense? Yes indeed I fail to notice any lockdown defense.
Johnny Bball wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Powell is actually productive, unlike McCaw.


I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I said. McCaw is playing SF most of the time as people have apparently failed to notice. And it's his defense.


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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#668 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Feb 8, 2020 8:22 pm

It’s his great defence that somehow doesn’t show up in any advanced statistic whatsoever. What a player.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#669 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Feb 8, 2020 8:24 pm

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Ramed Nazored wrote:Raps could repeat as champions and some of you would rush to the computer to hammer out a “did you see McCaw’s stat line!!!??” Thread. For as silly as I find it, I admire your consistency and dedication to the cause.

Well played.

Can't get much more silly than Patrick McCaw averaging 25 minutes a game (eight more minutes than Terrence Davis) on a contender and contributing negatively all season while doing it.

We're only two more months from the games actually mattering. If he's still playing when that happens (forcing the team to play 4 on 5 on offense against teams actually implementing defensive game plans), the Raptors won't be playing games that matter for very long.


Using a rookie in a competitive season and the playoffs is like stretching out a reliever in baseball to become a starter. I think the team immediately recognized what they had in TD2. It was obvious to us from the opening game against the Pels. In the pre-season, the Rockets commentators compared Davis to Westbrook. Hell, the Raptors offered him a guaranteed deal after his first summer league game. Nick's task this season was to get Davis acclimated, healthy and kept fresh for the playoffs.

Unless McCaw comes back from the ASB with a 40% 3-pointer, the 8-man playoff rotation will undoubtedly be Kyle, Fred, OG, Marc, Serge, Pascal, Norm and Davis. Maybe sneak some RHJ minutes in there. There will be no McCaw. I guaran-damn-tee it.

You may be right and I hope you are, but I’ve heard basically the same prediction made at various points this season and it has not come to fruition yet.

I just don’t know anymore.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#670 » by Clay Davis » Sat Feb 8, 2020 8:32 pm

geminiz wrote:Failure to notice his average-at-best defense? Yes indeed I fail to notice any lockdown defense.
Johnny Bball wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Powell is actually productive, unlike McCaw.


I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I said. McCaw is playing SF most of the time as people have apparently failed to notice. And it's his defense.


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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#671 » by Basketball_Jones » Sat Feb 8, 2020 8:39 pm

As amazing as Davis has been, I still don’t think he’s out of the dog house yet. McCaw is still the golden boy. Davis needs to go on a run similar to what Damian Lillard is doing, and only then will Nick Thibs be convinced.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#672 » by Ramed Nazored » Sat Feb 8, 2020 10:51 pm

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Ramed Nazored wrote:Raps could repeat as champions and some of you would rush to the computer to hammer out a “did you see McCaw’s stat line!!!??” Thread. For as silly as I find it, I admire your consistency and dedication to the cause.

Well played.

Can't get much more silly than Patrick McCaw averaging 25 minutes a game (eight more minutes than Terrence Davis) on a contender and contributing negatively all season while doing it.

We're only two more months from the games actually mattering. If he's still playing when that happens (forcing the team to play 4 on 5 on offense against teams actually implementing defensive game plans), the Raptors won't be playing games that matter for very long.


I'm not one for agonizing over hypothetical scenarios over which i have no control. I'd rather spend my time enjoying the wildly successful team we're being treated to this year, McCaw or otherwise. That's our current reality. They're on 13 game winning streak. Just enjoy it.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#673 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Feb 8, 2020 10:54 pm

Ramed Nazored wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Ramed Nazored wrote:Raps could repeat as champions and some of you would rush to the computer to hammer out a “did you see McCaw’s stat line!!!??” Thread. For as silly as I find it, I admire your consistency and dedication to the cause.

Well played.

Can't get much more silly than Patrick McCaw averaging 25 minutes a game (eight more minutes than Terrence Davis) on a contender and contributing negatively all season while doing it.

We're only two more months from the games actually mattering. If he's still playing when that happens (forcing the team to play 4 on 5 on offense against teams actually implementing defensive game plans), the Raptors won't be playing games that matter for very long.


I'm not one for agonizing over hypothetical scenarios over which i have no control. I'd rather spend my time enjoying the wildly successful team we're being treated to this year, McCaw or otherwise. That's our current reality. They're on 13 game winning streak. Just enjoy it.

It's possible to both enjoy a win streak and recognize a mistake/failing that could potentially cost the team once the games start mattering at the same time.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#674 » by alienchild » Sat Feb 8, 2020 10:59 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Ramed Nazored wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Can't get much more silly than Patrick McCaw averaging 25 minutes a game (eight more minutes than Terrence Davis) on a contender and contributing negatively all season while doing it.

We're only two more months from the games actually mattering. If he's still playing when that happens (forcing the team to play 4 on 5 on offense against teams actually implementing defensive game plans), the Raptors won't be playing games that matter for very long.


I'm not one for agonizing over hypothetical scenarios over which i have no control. I'd rather spend my time enjoying the wildly successful team we're being treated to this year, McCaw or otherwise. That's our current reality. They're on 13 game winning streak. Just enjoy it.

It's possible to both enjoy a win streak and recognize a mistake/failing that could potentially cost the team once the games start mattering at the same time.



It's also possible to be a boil on our collective ass.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#675 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Feb 8, 2020 11:26 pm

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Randle McMurphy wrote:
Ramed Nazored wrote:
I'm not one for agonizing over hypothetical scenarios over which i have no control. I'd rather spend my time enjoying the wildly successful team we're being treated to this year, McCaw or otherwise. That's our current reality. They're on 13 game winning streak. Just enjoy it.

It's possible to both enjoy a win streak and recognize a mistake/failing that could potentially cost the team once the games start mattering at the same time.

It's also possible to be a boil on our collective ass.

You'd prefer denialism, I get it. It's easier.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#676 » by Ramed Nazored » Sat Feb 8, 2020 11:34 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Ramed Nazored wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Can't get much more silly than Patrick McCaw averaging 25 minutes a game (eight more minutes than Terrence Davis) on a contender and contributing negatively all season while doing it.

We're only two more months from the games actually mattering. If he's still playing when that happens (forcing the team to play 4 on 5 on offense against teams actually implementing defensive game plans), the Raptors won't be playing games that matter for very long.


I'm not one for agonizing over hypothetical scenarios over which i have no control. I'd rather spend my time enjoying the wildly successful team we're being treated to this year, McCaw or otherwise. That's our current reality. They're on 13 game winning streak. Just enjoy it.

It's possible to both enjoy a win streak and recognize a mistake/failing that could potentially cost the team once the games start mattering at the same time.


Mistakenly and-1'd your post while trying to quote you. Had to redact.

Anyways, yes, it is possible. So take some of your own advice and express that enjoyment. Because I'll I've observed from you over the last several weeks is incessant brow-beating over the teams least important player.
Just came back from 10 down with 2 minutes left? Lets lament McCaw.

Won in Indiana without Norm and Gasol and losing Lowry? Time to chat McCaw!

Break franchise record for wins while also winning ten straight games ON THE ROAD? Cool and all, but this won't be sustainable with McCaw.

Can you not see how uninteresting this is?
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#677 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Feb 8, 2020 11:41 pm

Ramed Nazored wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Ramed Nazored wrote:
I'm not one for agonizing over hypothetical scenarios over which i have no control. I'd rather spend my time enjoying the wildly successful team we're being treated to this year, McCaw or otherwise. That's our current reality. They're on 13 game winning streak. Just enjoy it.

It's possible to both enjoy a win streak and recognize a mistake/failing that could potentially cost the team once the games start mattering at the same time.


Mistakenly and-1'd your post while trying to quote you. Had to redact.

Anyways, yes, it is possible. So take some of your own advice and express that enjoyment. Because I'll I've observed from you over the last several weeks is incessant brow-beating over the teams least important player.
Just came back from 10 down with 2 minutes left? Lets lament McCaw.

Won in Indiana without Norm and Gasol and losing Lowry? Time to chat McCaw!

Break franchise record for wins while also winning ten straight games ON THE ROAD? Cool and all, but this won't be sustainable with McCaw.

Can you not see how uninteresting this is?

I've praised Davis repeatedly over the past few months including after these specific games. He's one of the best rookies this franchie has had in its 25 years. But every bit of his own success makes the McCaw situation all the more perplexing. If you find the criticism of McCaw's bizarre usage uninteresting, there's nothing stopping you from posting in any other thread on this forum and not coming into this one.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#678 » by alienchild » Sat Feb 8, 2020 11:50 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
alienchild wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:It's possible to both enjoy a win streak and recognize a mistake/failing that could potentially cost the team once the games start mattering at the same time.

It's also possible to be a boil on our collective ass.

You'd prefer denialism, I get it. It's easier.


No, you don't get it. Not even close.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#679 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Sun Feb 9, 2020 1:13 am

I mean what's future of Sir Pat Mccaw? Is he still going to be a rotational player the next year/the year after that? WIll advance stats destroy his career? Will he suddenly have some sort of team player secret sauce value that realgm currently doesn't understand, and sign a 10 million per year deal going forward.
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Re: Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player 

Post#680 » by basketball royalty » Sun Feb 9, 2020 2:18 am

Maybe they’re trying to keep TD under wraps so they can sign him to a decent extension. He doesn’t have a rookie contract so I think he becomes an unrestricted FA after next season.
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