2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[Bruin]

Would clevland be interested in a siakam for 3 deal given that the available options aren’t going to be great fits for them?

Would New Orleans be interested in 4, fvv for Ingram, 10?

It would be great if we could turn fvv and siakam into younger assets that will fit with OG long term moving forward.

4 and Fred for Ingram and 10 would be foolish

There’s a very real possibility that whoever we get ends up being a better player than Ingram and Fred is better than whoever we could get at 10

[arbsn]

What is so special about Suggs? He is not elite in anything. not even an elite 3pt shooter for Today's NBA. not an elite scorer. He has regular size for a combo guard.
How does he match up against a Trae Young|Lillard|Kyrie|Fox|Ja for example? How does he matchup against Collin Sexton ?

I like Suggs mostly because of his calm demeaner. Really reminds me of Brandon Roy. Not overly athletic but extremely high BBIQ and always tries his hardest on defense. Always works really hard and wants to win more than anyone else on the floor. He has a lot of skill as well but it's really his heart and mind that I like about him. Pretty much the exact opposite as Jalen Green who I see has incredible athletic ability and scoring but doesnt care on defense and acts like he is better than everyone - reminds me a lot of Zach Lavine.

As a comparison the one thing Suggs has over Young, Lillard, Kyrie (all freakish offensive players) is his commitment to defense and his size. He's bigger than those 3 (they are around 180lbs to Suggs 200+lbs). Suggs can move to the SG similar to FVV and as we know today's NBA is all about guarding multiple positions.

I'd say of those guys his best comp is a slower, bigger, better shooting Fox

[Asif16]

What is so special about Suggs? He is not elite in anything. not even an elite 3pt shooter for Today's NBA. not an elite scorer. He has regular size for a combo guard.
How does he match up against a Trae Young|Lillard|Kyrie|Fox|Ja for example? How does he matchup against Collin Sexton ?

I like Suggs mostly because of his calm demeaner. Really reminds me of Brandon Roy. Not overly athletic but extremely high BBIQ and always tries his hardest on defense. Always works really hard and wants to win more than anyone else on the floor. He has a lot of skill as well but it's really his heart and mind that I like about him. Pretty much the exact opposite as Jalen Green who I see has incredible athletic ability and scoring but doesnt care on defense and acts like he is better than everyone - reminds me a lot of Zach Lavine.

As a comparison the one thing Suggs has over Young, Lillard, Kyrie (all freakish offensive players) is his commitment to defense and his size. He's bigger than those 3 (they are around 180lbs to Suggs 200+lbs). Suggs can move to the SG similar to FVV and as we know today's NBA is all about guarding multiple positions.

I'd say of those guys his best comp is a slower, bigger, better shooting Fox

Suggs may not be ELite in one specific aspect but he's damn good in almost every aspect. His IQ and passing is also the highest out of the group.

Jalen Green may be elite at scoring, but he's still raw. Defense is suspect and so IQ
Mobely is still gonna take time to develop

[Young_Buc]

Very interesting. But I will need further evidence to see what you see regarding the' Franchise guys' status. I just don't see it right now.

Could you really turn down 4th pick for 8th pick + 13th and Myles Turner(just turned 25)?

It's tempting - I won't lie to you. I really, really like Myles Turner and think that Nurse can help him elevate his game.

But the disparity between the talents and 1-5 and the rest of the draft is massive IMO. There is a very real possibility that 8th and 13th are projects that don't pan out.

So the question in my mind is - do we go with the guy who has the highest chance (no matter how small that chance might be) or do we add a starting C and maybe nothing else?

It's a hard one but as of right now, I'd take Suggs UNLESS there is an incredible deal we're going to get for a package around 8th and 13.

What is so special about Suggs? He is not elite in anything. not even an elite 3pt shooter for Today's NBA. not an elite scorer. He has regular size for a combo guard.
How does he match up against a Trae Young|Lillard|Kyrie|Fox|Ja for example? How does he matchup against Collin Sexton ?

ELITE ATHLETE (Mr Minnesota in basketball AND football comparable athletically to a bledsoe)

Built like a tank (6'4 200+)

Excellent vision

Elite defender

Excellent **** mechanics

Elite finisher


Has only dedicated himself to basketball for the past year (was thinking hard of taking football over basketball)

[YelloC]

I was just reading that due to early bird rights, the most the Kings can offer Richaun Holmes as a 1st year salary is $10.5 million.
Can they still match any offer sheet or is it capped at 10.5 million??

[Jadoogar]

What is so special about Suggs? He is not elite in anything. not even an elite 3pt shooter for Today's NBA. not an elite scorer. He has regular size for a combo guard.
How does he match up against a Trae Young|Lillard|Kyrie|Fox|Ja for example? How does he matchup against Collin Sexton ?

I like Suggs mostly because of his calm demeaner. Really reminds me of Brandon Roy. Not overly athletic but extremely high BBIQ and always tries his hardest on defense. Always works really hard and wants to win more than anyone else on the floor. He has a lot of skill as well but it's really his heart and mind that I like about him. Pretty much the exact opposite as Jalen Green who I see has incredible athletic ability and scoring but doesnt care on defense and acts like he is better than everyone - reminds me a lot of Zach Lavine.

As a comparison the one thing Suggs has over Young, Lillard, Kyrie (all freakish offensive players) is his commitment to defense and his size. He's bigger than those 3 (they are around 180lbs to Suggs 200+lbs). Suggs can move to the SG similar to FVV and as we know today's NBA is all about guarding multiple positions.

I'd say of those guys his best comp is a slower, bigger, better shooting Fox

Suggs may not be ELite in one specific aspect but he's damn good in almost every aspect. His IQ and passing is also the highest out of the group.

Jalen Green may be elite at scoring, but he's still raw. Defense is suspect and so IQ
Mobely is still gonna take time to develop

Agree. Devin Booker isn't really ELITE at anything. He's not an other worldly shooter (only 34% from 3). He's not an elite athlete. Not a great play maker or defender either. But he doesn't really have any weaknesses. That's how i view Suggs. He should succeed on IQ and feel for the game alone. His jumper will improve with time because he's not a Ben Simmons level shooter or anything.

[YelloC]

I like Suggs mostly because of his calm demeaner. Really reminds me of Brandon Roy. Not overly athletic but extremely high BBIQ and always tries his hardest on defense. Always works really hard and wants to win more than anyone else on the floor. He has a lot of skill as well but it's really his heart and mind that I like about him. Pretty much the exact opposite as Jalen Green who I see has incredible athletic ability and scoring but doesnt care on defense and acts like he is better than everyone - reminds me a lot of Zach Lavine.

As a comparison the one thing Suggs has over Young, Lillard, Kyrie (all freakish offensive players) is his commitment to defense and his size. He's bigger than those 3 (they are around 180lbs to Suggs 200+lbs). Suggs can move to the SG similar to FVV and as we know today's NBA is all about guarding multiple positions.

I'd say of those guys his best comp is a slower, bigger, better shooting Fox

Suggs may not be ELite in one specific aspect but he's damn good in almost every aspect. His IQ and passing is also the highest out of the group.

Jalen Green may be elite at scoring, but he's still raw. Defense is suspect and so IQ
Mobely is still gonna take time to develop

Agree. Devin Booker isn't really ELITE at anything. He's not an other worldly shooter (only 34% from 3). He's not an elite athlete. Not a great play maker or defender either. But he doesn't really have any weaknesses. That's how i view Suggs. He should succeed on IQ and feel for the game alone. His jumper will improve with time because he's not a Ben Simmons level shooter or anything.

Would Jamal Murray be a good comp for Suggs?
They seem to have similar measurements and frame with Suggs trending more towards point while Jamal is more of a 2 guard.

[ash_k]

I like Suggs mostly because of his calm demeaner. Really reminds me of Brandon Roy. Not overly athletic but extremely high BBIQ and always tries his hardest on defense. Always works really hard and wants to win more than anyone else on the floor. He has a lot of skill as well but it's really his heart and mind that I like about him. Pretty much the exact opposite as Jalen Green who I see has incredible athletic ability and scoring but doesnt care on defense and acts like he is better than everyone - reminds me a lot of Zach Lavine.

As a comparison the one thing Suggs has over Young, Lillard, Kyrie (all freakish offensive players) is his commitment to defense and his size. He's bigger than those 3 (they are around 180lbs to Suggs 200+lbs). Suggs can move to the SG similar to FVV and as we know today's NBA is all about guarding multiple positions.

I'd say of those guys his best comp is a slower, bigger, better shooting Fox

Suggs may not be ELite in one specific aspect but he's damn good in almost every aspect. His IQ and passing is also the highest out of the group.

Jalen Green may be elite at scoring, but he's still raw. Defense is suspect and so IQ
Mobely is still gonna take time to develop

Agree. Devin Booker isn't really ELITE at anything. He's not an other worldly shooter (only 34% from 3). He's not an elite athlete. Not a great play maker or defender either. But he doesn't really have any weaknesses. That's how i view Suggs. He should succeed on IQ and feel for the game alone. His jumper will improve with time because he's not a Ben Simmons level shooter or anything.

Booker is an ELITE scorer, Suggs is not, he does not have that scorer mentality like Trae Young. Plus Booker's high-release point allows him to play his mid-range game comfortably against length thus he does not that elite 3-pt shooting. if at least Suggs was an elite 3-pt shooter but he is not.#tradethepick

[Morris_Shatford]

I was just reading that due to early bird rights, the most the Kings can offer Richaun Holmes as a 1st year salary is $10.5 million.
Can they still match any offer sheet or is it capped at 10.5 million??

He is a UFA w/ Early Bird Rights;
The Kings have no matching rights.

But you can bet your bottom dollar the Kings will try and open up space to keep him.

[douggood]

I was just reading that due to early bird rights, the most the Kings can offer Richaun Holmes as a 1st year salary is $10.5 million.
Can they still match any offer sheet or is it capped at 10.5 million??

holmes is a UFA, there isnt an offer sheet. they cant sign him for more than 105% of MLE unless they create cap room.

[Asif16]

I think Holmes is Dallas bound. Once Dallas gets rid of Porzingus. (My Guess is Porzingus to Charlotte).

Only few teams have outright Cap-Space this summer. Dallas and New York being the biggest

[Morris_Shatford]

I think Holmes is Dallas bound. Once Dallas gets rid of Porzingus. (My Guess is Porzingus to Charlotte).

Only few teams have outright Cap-Space this summer. Dallas and New York being the biggest

Holmes is going to be 28 on opening night and has played on a four year rookie deal that paid him around 6m total and coming off a two year deal that paid him under 10m total.

This guy is going to whoever gives him the bag and I don't blame him for a second

[DreamTeam09]

I think Holmes is Dallas bound. Once Dallas gets rid of Porzingus. (My Guess is Porzingus to Charlotte).

Only few teams have outright Cap-Space this summer. Dallas and New York being the biggest

Dallas money is going back to THJ and I don't think they have money after that. Nor do I see my Mavs trading porzingas right now, and if we do, it definitely won't be for pennies on the dollar.

Mavs don't even have a GM or a coach right now

[Phezmo123]

What is so special about Suggs? He is not elite in anything. not even an elite 3pt shooter for Today's NBA. not an elite scorer. He has regular size for a combo guard.
How does he match up against a Trae Young|Lillard|Kyrie|Fox|Ja for example? How does he matchup against Collin Sexton ?

I like Suggs mostly because of his calm demeaner. Really reminds me of Brandon Roy. Not overly athletic but extremely high BBIQ and always tries his hardest on defense. Always works really hard and wants to win more than anyone else on the floor. He has a lot of skill as well but it's really his heart and mind that I like about him. Pretty much the exact opposite as Jalen Green who I see has incredible athletic ability and scoring but doesnt care on defense and acts like he is better than everyone - reminds me a lot of Zach Lavine.

As a comparison the one thing Suggs has over Young, Lillard, Kyrie (all freakish offensive players) is his commitment to defense and his size. He's bigger than those 3 (they are around 180lbs to Suggs 200+lbs). Suggs can move to the SG similar to FVV and as we know today's NBA is all about guarding multiple positions.

I'd say of those guys his best comp is a slower, bigger, better shooting Fox

Suggs will develop into an elite 3-point shooter on this Raptors team. Not to the level of Trae/Dame/Kyrie, but elite. He also already has better court vision than the three and will be a much better defender.

[Bruin]

What is so special about Suggs? He is not elite in anything. not even an elite 3pt shooter for Today's NBA. not an elite scorer. He has regular size for a combo guard.
How does he match up against a Trae Young|Lillard|Kyrie|Fox|Ja for example? How does he matchup against Collin Sexton ?

I like Suggs mostly because of his calm demeaner. Really reminds me of Brandon Roy. Not overly athletic but extremely high BBIQ and always tries his hardest on defense. Always works really hard and wants to win more than anyone else on the floor. He has a lot of skill as well but it's really his heart and mind that I like about him. Pretty much the exact opposite as Jalen Green who I see has incredible athletic ability and scoring but doesnt care on defense and acts like he is better than everyone - reminds me a lot of Zach Lavine.

As a comparison the one thing Suggs has over Young, Lillard, Kyrie (all freakish offensive players) is his commitment to defense and his size. He's bigger than those 3 (they are around 180lbs to Suggs 200+lbs). Suggs can move to the SG similar to FVV and as we know today's NBA is all about guarding multiple positions.

I'd say of those guys his best comp is a slower, bigger, better shooting Fox

Suggs will develop into an elite 3-point shooter on this Raptors team. Not to the level of Trae/Dame/Kyrie, but elite. He also already has better court vision than the three and will be a much better defender.

Suggs shot 33.7% on 3.5 Attempts per game from 3

He’s very likely to develop into a 38ish% shooter on high volume around 6-8 attempts a game. His shot is not going to be an issue in the NBA, especially since his mechanics are fine

[Asif16]

Suggs will def become a better shooter over time. His form/mechanics are sexy.

Just look at how good of a 3pt shooter OG has become. Suggs will excel

[TorontoRapsFan]

If raps get Suggs, trade FVV and try to get another player from this draft, maybe to NO if they want to give back the 10, and salary. Resign Lowry.
Season rotation goes something like

Lowry/Suggs/Flynn
GTJ/(moody?bouknight? etc..)
OG
Siakam/Boucher
Birch

Fill out the roster.

If raps get Mobley, trade Siakam, maybe the GS wiggins plus 7 pick, (should come with at least another future 1st). OG can be PF for start of season, and hopefully Mobley gets it and OG goes to SF.

FVV/Flynn
GTJ(Moody?, bouknight? etc...
Wiggins
OG/Mobley/Boucher
Birch

Fill out the roster

[Phezmo123]

If we draft Mobley, then we're looking at an extra couple years to become contenders again I think. Mobley will take 3 years to become a star.

By that time, Siakam and FVV will both be 30. The question is, do you flip them and acquire younger assets or keep the winning? I say we keep maintaining the winning culture while he develops.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

If raps get Suggs, trade FVV and try to get another player from this draft, maybe to NO if they want to give back the 10, and salary. Resign Lowry.
Season rotation goes something like

Lowry/Suggs/Flynn
GTJ/(moody?bouknight? etc..)
OG
Siakam/Boucher
Birch

Fill out the roster.

If raps get Mobley, trade Siakam, maybe the GS wiggins plus 7 pick, (should come with at least another future 1st). OG can be PF for start of season, and hopefully Mobley gets it and OG goes to SF.

FVV/Flynn
GTJ(Moody?, bouknight? etc...
Wiggins
OG/Mobley/Boucher
Birch

Fill out the roster

We’re not trading Fred. Kyle is going to be signed and traded or kept for a tradable contract. He doesn’t fit our timeline with us getting a potential young star to pair with OG and Trent who are in their early 20s. If anything I would be trying to move Siakam for the 3rd pick and draft whoever is left from the top 4. Either combo of Green/Suggs Green/Mobley Suggs/Mobley will be a force for the next 5 years and we pull off a rebuild in one offseason

[mtcan]

If we draft Mobley, then we're looking at an extra couple years to become contenders again I think. Mobley will take 3 years to become a star.

By that time, Siakam and FVV will both be 30. The question is, do you flip them and acquire younger assets or keep the winning? I say we keep maintaining the winning culture while he develops.

I wouldn't assume that Mobley won't be a contributor for 3 whole years. He could start now and whatever he gives you is probably an improvement over whatever we had last season. Like I said before...Ayton averaged 16 and 10 as a rookie. It's not impossible to assume Mobley gives you 12 and 7 as a rook with decent defence and that's better than Ron Baynes.