The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2

TorontoBarneys · Post #661 » by **TorontoBarneys** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:40 pm

Might be a worse draft choice than Flynn when all is said and done.

Jerry Lucas · Post #662 » by **Jerry Lucas** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:44 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:Might be a worse draft choice than Flynn when all is said and done.

Masai basically repeating the Malachi over Bane blindspot by picking Gradey over Podz because Podz has a T Rex wingspan. Possibly also his inexperience bias. Malachi over Bane was a Junior over Senior pick and Gradey over Podz was a Freshman over Soph pick.

canz55 · Post #663 » by **canz55** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:45 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:Might be a worse draft choice than Flynn when all is said and done.

He's a year and a bit removed from a high-school player. Take a pill and let our development program work with him.

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ash_k · Post #664 » by **ash_k** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:01 pm

Even if he becomes the next Gordon Hayward(Dick), I have seen enough of Jordan Hawkins to confirm my belief that his shooting-style is what the team needed. You have to pay attention to him, no choice with his running and quick release

Yallbecrazy · Post #665 » by **Yallbecrazy** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:11 pm

ash_k wrote:Even if he becomes the next Gordon Hayward(Dick), I have seen enough of Jordan Hawkins to confirm my belief that his shooting-style is what the team needed. You have to pay attention to him, no choice with his running and quick release

Gradey Dick moves just as well as Hawkins and also has a quick, high release...it just doesn't matter if everything is a brick.

Dick is a better rebounder, passer, and ball handler than Hawkins and has more potential on D, but they both are very bad defenders currently.

ash_k · Post #666 » by **ash_k** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:20 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:
ash_k wrote:Even if he becomes the next Gordon Hayward(Dick), I have seen enough of Jordan Hawkins to confirm my belief that his shooting-style is what the team needed. You have to pay attention to him, no choice with his running and quick release

Gradey Dick moves just as well as Hawkins and also has a quick, high release...it just doesn't matter if everything is a brick.

Dick is a better rebounder, passer, and ball handler than Hawkins and has more potential on D, but they both are very bad defenders currently.

Not even close to Hawkins' executions and movements. Plus one is a set-shooter, the other a jump-shooter and I will always favor the latter

UnbelievablyRAW · Post #667 » by **UnbelievablyRAW** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:24 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:
ash_k wrote:Even if he becomes the next Gordon Hayward(Dick), I have seen enough of Jordan Hawkins to confirm my belief that his shooting-style is what the team needed. You have to pay attention to him, no choice with his running and quick release

Gradey Dick moves just as well as Hawkins and also has a quick, high release...it just doesn't matter if everything is a brick.

Dick is a better rebounder, passer, and ball handler than Hawkins and has more potential on D, but they both are very bad defenders currently.

As of now, Gradey only looks to shoot in wide open situations and rarely if ever takes a moving three pointer off the catch and doesn’t hunt shots. I don’t know what ball handling ability Gradey has shown tbh. Sometimes he tries to attack off closeouts but he’s too slow to get all the way to the paint and settles for pull up mid rangers that rarely go in. I didn’t want Hawkins either but he at least has enough confidence in his shot to let it fly with any space

Grader’s slow lateral speed and lack of strength doesn’t bod well for his defensive ceiling even with his height. Smaller guards will blow by him and larger wings will go right through his chest (don’t see him turning into a tank if he wants to grow into a movement shooter one day).

dozo · Post #668 » by **dozo** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:30 pm

Its clear by now that mgmt made wrong selection, his ceiling at best is a fringe starter.(im still trying to be optimistic) George, Podz, Whitmore to name a few project to NBA be starters.

Their are many draft selections after Gradey that are playing well in G-League. Brice and Emoni have both scored over 30 pts. Whitehead is the only selection under performing in g-league.

Gradey's results during 3pt shooting drills at the draft combine were nothing to brag about, I think Sasser had the best showing during the 3pt drills.

Guard depth and shooting were needs before the draft. At 13 they could have filled both those needs. The only thing Gradey has over his peers is NBA size. (I think in shoes he's closer to 6'7)

Walid · Post #669 » by **Walid** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:42 pm

Gradey Dick was selected around where many mocks placed him, so it's not as if the pick was a surprising blunder at the time. Every year, teams miss out on players who show they can contribute right away...it's not just the Raptors who missed out on the likes of Desmond Bane, Podz, Jaime Jaquez. Still, it's too early to write Gradey off.

ash_k · Post #670 » by **ash_k** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:47 pm

Walid wrote:Gradey Dick was selected around where many mocks placed him, so it's not as if the pick was a surprising blunder at the time. Every year, teams miss out on players who show they can contribute right away...it's not just the Raptors who missed out on the likes of Desmond Bane, Podz, Jaime Jaquez. Still, it's too early to write Gradey off.

Hayward's first season 5.4 points per game. NoBoysAllowed. Gradey is just fine for now at barely 20, we will just have to wait.

Airmiess · Post #671 » by **Airmiess** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:56 pm

Im now super skeptical of all the theatrical stuff he had going on. Now seems more like he was focused on the wrong things.

Public_Enemy101 · Post #672 » by **Public_Enemy101** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:58 pm

dick sucks ass

D.S.A.

Thaddy · Post #673 » by **Thaddy** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:59 pm

He has a lot of jitters, you can see it. He needs to work on his body a lot more and develop explosive muscle mass. Seeing him blow open dunks in the GLeague is just disappointing. He needs the confidence of Precious or Boucher and just throw up extended three point shots. In garbage time he was overlooked several times, if he's playing with scrubs he needs to take advantage.

mtcan · Post #674 » by **mtcan** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:01 pm

However bad Gradey's shooting is today...remember...
Jalen Suggs shot 21% from 3 as a rookie...then 31% as a sophomore...now he's shooting 39.4% on 5.3 attempts a game.

Scottie shot 30% from 3 as a rookie...then 28% as a sophomore...now he's shooting 38.2% on 5.6 attempts a game.

Improvement is definitely possible.

Raptaurus · Post #675 » by **Raptaurus** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:12 pm

Walid wrote:Gradey Dick was selected around where many mocks placed him, so it's not as if the pick was a surprising blunder at the time. Every year, teams miss out on players who show they can contribute right away...it's not just the Raptors who missed out on the likes of Desmond Bane, Podz, Jaime Jaquez. Still, it's too early to write Gradey off.

The problem is that Masai and company literally need to nail all our draft picks for this team to have any sustained long term success more than any other team unfortunately as we are horrible at attracting free agents.

We got Scottie, but otherwise, we only have Flynn, Koloko, and Grady to show for the past 4 drafts….obviously its unrealistic to expect nabbing a franchise level guy every draft but we should at least be able to grab starter or even rotation level players…

ItsDanger · Post #676 » by **ItsDanger** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:18 pm

If you had to bet $10K on whether he's a bust or not, you all know what you would bet on.

But, lot of rookies struggle in their first NBA season (especially in the 1st half). The true assessment comes next season. I'm still concerned about fit, not just with the other players style and minutes, but who is he going to guard? Is he really a starter at some point?

Los_29 · Post #677 » by **Los_29** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:28 pm

Jerry Lucas wrote:
TorontoBarneys wrote:Might be a worse draft choice than Flynn when all is said and done.

Masai basically repeating the Malachi over Bane blindspot by picking Gradey over Podz because Podz has a T Rex wingspan. Possibly also his inexperience bias. Malachi over Bane was a Junior over Senior pick and Gradey over Podz was a Freshman over Soph pick.

Bane has a longer wingspan than Malachi.

ChillRelaxDude · Post #678 » by **ChillRelaxDude** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:35 pm

I don't want to lump all white 3pt specialists together, but since he's often compared to the likes of JJ Redick, Kyle Kover, Doug McDermott, etc. The development curve for all of them was rough in their first season. They all needed time to get used to the speed of the game, spacing, and defensive schemes before they could craft their spots without being a complete liability.

Give him time to adjust and he'll be alright. I wasn't expecting such low shooting percentages/confidence, but I certainly was not expecting a rotational player.

Post #679 » by **DG88** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:37 pm

I'm still perplexed about him having a special conditioning program mid season. It's not like he was injured or anything. He just was not prepared to play in the NBA. Let's see how he looks next season because it appears that this season is a wash.

ItsDanger · Post #680 » by **ItsDanger** » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:49 pm

DG88 wrote:I'm still perplexed about him having a special conditioning program mid season. It's not like he was injured or anything. He just was not prepared to play in the NBA. Let's see how he looks next season because it appears that this season is a wash.

Its just an excuse to cover up Dick performance struggles.