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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#661 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Jan 24, 2024 4:38 am

Reggie Victor Cam Whitmore for Bruce Brown & the OKC pick
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#662 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:42 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:Reggie Victor Cam Whitmore for Bruce Brown & the OKC pick


Personally I still believe in Cam so I’d do it (minus us including a pick, I don’t see why we’d have to).
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#663 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed Jan 24, 2024 6:01 am

TimeForChange wrote:Just do Brown to Dallas for Holmes, Green and Omax.

No picks needed.

Trade Boucher and GTJ for some seconds and call it a day.


O-Max for Brown would be a terrific get.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#664 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed Jan 24, 2024 6:02 am

Need defense-first guys.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#665 » by aminiaturebuddha » Wed Jan 24, 2024 6:24 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:Just do Brown to Dallas for Holmes, Green and Omax.

No picks needed.

Trade Boucher and GTJ for some seconds and call it a day.


O-Max for Brown would be a terrific get.


Yep, probably wouldn't be able to get O-Max and Green, but Seth Curry would work in that same trade idea instead of Green. I'd probably still do it, but I'm fairly high on O-Max as a guy that, with some development, could possibly produce at least a fraction of the defence and spot up shooting that went out the door with OG. And as a 1st round pick, he'd be cost controlled for a number of years.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

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aminiaturebuddha wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:Just do Brown to Dallas for Holmes, Green and Omax.

No picks needed.

Trade Boucher and GTJ for some seconds and call it a day.


O-Max for Brown would be a terrific get.


Yep, probably wouldn't be able to get O-Max and Green, but Seth Curry would work in that same trade idea instead of Green. I'd probably still do it, but I'm fairly high on O-Max as a guy that, with some development, could possibly produce at least a fraction of the defence and spot up shooting that went out the door with OG. And as a 1st round pick, he'd be cost controlled for a number of years.


Green is getting an extension raise to $12 million next season. OMax and Hardy for bench depth?
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#668 » by OakleyDokely » Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:02 pm

If the Raps are taking Holmes' contract back from the Mavs, that alone warrants an asset before you even get to Brown's value.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#669 » by StopitLeo » Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:10 pm

aminiaturebuddha wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:Just do Brown to Dallas for Holmes, Green and Omax.

No picks needed.

Trade Boucher and GTJ for some seconds and call it a day.


O-Max for Brown would be a terrific get.


Yep, probably wouldn't be able to get O-Max and Green, but Seth Curry would work in that same trade idea instead of Green. I'd probably still do it, but I'm fairly high on O-Max as a guy that, with some development, could possibly produce at least a fraction of the defence and spot up shooting that went out the door with OG. And as a 1st round pick, he'd be cost controlled for a number of years.


Brown isn’t going to put Dallas over the top so why is this a good trade for them?
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#670 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:19 pm

StopitLeo wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
O-Max for Brown would be a terrific get.


Yep, probably wouldn't be able to get O-Max and Green, but Seth Curry would work in that same trade idea instead of Green. I'd probably still do it, but I'm fairly high on O-Max as a guy that, with some development, could possibly produce at least a fraction of the defence and spot up shooting that went out the door with OG. And as a 1st round pick, he'd be cost controlled for a number of years.


Brown isn’t going to put Dallas over the top so why is this a good trade for them?


As a Mavs fan I would trade Holmes Seth Omax for Brown. Even if it doesn't put us over the top, he's a welcomed & needed addition & fits well next to Luka Kyrie
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#671 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:19 pm

StopitLeo wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
O-Max for Brown would be a terrific get.


Yep, probably wouldn't be able to get O-Max and Green, but Seth Curry would work in that same trade idea instead of Green. I'd probably still do it, but I'm fairly high on O-Max as a guy that, with some development, could possibly produce at least a fraction of the defence and spot up shooting that went out the door with OG. And as a 1st round pick, he'd be cost controlled for a number of years.


Brown isn’t going to put Dallas over the top so why is this a good trade for them?


The asking price has been stated as a 1st + young player which this would be and DAL adding Brown would be significant as he’s the perfect type of player to play off of Luka and help both him & Kyrie defensively. This would also be by far the best overall roster Luka has had, the asking price of OMax + 1st is far from unreasonable, it’s not even my preferred option tbh.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#672 » by Fairview4Life » Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:23 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:Just do Brown to Dallas for Holmes, Green and Omax.

No picks needed.

Trade Boucher and GTJ for some seconds and call it a day.


O-Max for Brown would be a terrific get.


So I don't watch the Mavs, but he's 21 and his numbers are terrible. Is he really going to do that much more with more opportunity? Why would he be a terrific get? Just hoping on development?
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#673 » by OakleyDokely » Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:29 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:Just do Brown to Dallas for Holmes, Green and Omax.

No picks needed.

Trade Boucher and GTJ for some seconds and call it a day.


O-Max for Brown would be a terrific get.


So I don't watch the Mavs, but he's 21 and his numbers are terrible. Is he really going to do that much more with more opportunity? Why would he be a terrific get? Just hoping on development?


I think he has potential as a defender, but the chances he becomes even an average player offensively are pretty low.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#674 » by StopitLeo » Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:33 pm

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StopitLeo wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:
Yep, probably wouldn't be able to get O-Max and Green, but Seth Curry would work in that same trade idea instead of Green. I'd probably still do it, but I'm fairly high on O-Max as a guy that, with some development, has could possibly produce at least a fraction of the defence and spot up shooting that went out the door with OG. And as a 1st round pick, he'd be cost controlled for a number of years.


Brown isn’t going to put Dallas over the top so why is this a good trade for them?


The asking price has been stated as a 1st + young player which this would be and DAL adding Brown would be significant as he’s the perfect type of player to play off of Luka and help both him & Kyrie defensively. This would also be by far the best overall roster Luka has had, the asking price of OMax + 1st is far from unreasonable, it’s not even my preferred option tbh.


Where’s the 1st? Or are we considering O-Max equivalent to a 1st? I read Brown for Holmes, Green/Curry, and O-Max. Add their 2027 FRP and sure, I’d go for that.

I think we need to get a FRP in any trade for Brown. As we rebuild we need as much draft capital as possible to be able to make deals.

Perhaps my uncertainty comes from not believing in Josh Green as a 3&D solution moving forward and I think that’s a big roster gap right now. Green’s shooting has improved but does he have the size to be that versatile wing defender and POA defender we currently lack?
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#675 » by aminiaturebuddha » Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:39 pm

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Fairview4Life wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
O-Max for Brown would be a terrific get.


So I don't watch the Mavs, but he's 21 and his numbers are terrible. Is he really going to do that much more with more opportunity? Why would he be a terrific get? Just hoping on development?


I think he has potential as a defender, but the chances he becomes even an average player offensively are pretty low.


You can essentially ignore his NBA stats so far because the sample sizes are so small as to be essentially meaningless. He's really only had a few games where he got anything other than garbage time minutes.

And yeah, he's probably never going to be more than a 5th option, or 4th at best when he's on the court. But he has the chance to be a solid complementary player. I think his defence will play across a couple of positions in time (rookies are almost always bad defenders), and he looks like he's developing into a solid catch-and-shoot guy. He'll also do just enough of everything else (rebounds, making the right pass, smart cuts to the hoop) to be useful when he's not getting the ball much.

I think eventually he could fit into an top 8 or 9 rotation on a good team in the league.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#676 » by Fairview4Life » Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:51 pm

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So I don't watch the Mavs, but he's 21 and his numbers are terrible. Is he really going to do that much more with more opportunity? Why would he be a terrific get? Just hoping on development?


I think he has potential as a defender, but the chances he becomes even an average player offensively are pretty low.


You can essentially ignore his NBA stats so far because the sample sizes are so small as to be essentially meaningless. He's really only had a few games where he got anything other than garbage time minutes.

And yeah, he's probably never going to be more than a 5th option, or 4th at best when he's on the court. But he has the chance to be a solid complementary player. I think his defence will play across a couple of positions in time (rookies are almost always bad defenders), and he looks like he's developing into a solid catch-and-shoot guy. He'll also do just enough of everything else (rebounds, making the right pass, smart cuts to the hoop) to be useful when he's not getting the ball much.

I think eventually he could fit into an top 8 or 9 rotation on a good team in the league.


So I Brown is already much better than that and so getting a young guy with top9 potential isn't really a terrific get for him.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#677 » by aminiaturebuddha » Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:59 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:
I think he has potential as a defender, but the chances he becomes even an average player offensively are pretty low.


You can essentially ignore his NBA stats so far because the sample sizes are so small as to be essentially meaningless. He's really only had a few games where he got anything other than garbage time minutes.

And yeah, he's probably never going to be more than a 5th option, or 4th at best when he's on the court. But he has the chance to be a solid complementary player. I think his defence will play across a couple of positions in time (rookies are almost always bad defenders), and he looks like he's developing into a solid catch-and-shoot guy. He'll also do just enough of everything else (rebounds, making the right pass, smart cuts to the hoop) to be useful when he's not getting the ball much.

I think eventually he could fit into an top 8 or 9 rotation on a good team in the league.


So I Brown is already much better than that and so getting a young guy with top9 potential isn't really a terrific get for him.


For the most part, I'm on the "keep Brown" bandwagon, but this kind of deal where you get a young player back is something they'd need to consider. The big difference obviously is years of control. Brown is only signed until next year. Getting a 1st round rookie like O-Max would allow the team to have his rights for 4 years, and then still have the best chance of signing him to a longer extension if they like what they see.

So the difference could essentially be 1.5 years of control compared to 6.5 years of control. And all for much less than what Brown is making.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#678 » by OakleyDokely » Wed Jan 24, 2024 4:05 pm

The only young piece i'm interested in on the Mavs is Green.

The only 1st rounder the Mavs can trade is 2027, since they owe a pick to the Knicks in 24 (or 25) and they owe a '29 pick to BRK for Kyrie.
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