2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2

[HumbleRen]

[*]

Doesn't make much of a difference in terms of role in the NBA, unless they can both learn to shoot off the dribble efficiently.

Oh no it does. Amen is a legitimate point forward.

If you mean as in a top 2 scoring option on a team? Then yes, it doesn’t mean much until they can shoot.

Doesn't seem like they're running much with him as a point anything. Either way it's a weird argument, you said both were a tier above Edgecombe and Auser isn't even as good as Amen, but you gave the same rationalization for why.

I agree with one point of yours, it’s a weird argument.

Twins are better prospects and they’re not really comparable outside of defence.

[Raptorfan2012]

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Swish

Good game by Newell last night. Still see him as a starter-calibre F/C but don't think he has star potential.

[Jstock12]

[*]

Oh no it does. Amen is a legitimate point forward.

If you mean as in a top 2 scoring option on a team? Then yes, it doesn’t mean much until they can shoot.

Doesn't seem like they're running much with him as a point anything. Either way it's a weird argument, you said both were a tier above Edgecombe and Auser isn't even as good as Amen, but you gave the same rationalization for why.

I agree with one point of yours, it’s a weird argument.

Twins are better prospects and they’re not really comparable outside of defence.

I do seem to remember that Amen especially was praised for his playmaking/creation as a prospect.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Doesn't seem like they're running much with him as a point anything. Either way it's a weird argument, you said both were a tier above Edgecombe and Auser isn't even as good as Amen, but you gave the same rationalization for why.

I agree with one point of yours, it’s a weird argument.

Twins are better prospects and they’re not really comparable outside of defence.

I do seem to remember that Amen especially was praised for his playmaking/creation as a prospect.

My point was in the NBA if you can't shoot off the dribble even a little bit you won't be given the ball enough to create. It essentially mutes his playmaking skills. Being a .1% athlete v a 10%ile athlete doesn't matter, either. See the long list of scrubs that have participated in the dunk contest over the years. Edgecombe could well be a bust, but he offers a pretty similar outlook on a role in the NBA.

[HumbleRen]

I agree with one point of yours, it’s a weird argument.

Twins are better prospects and they’re not really comparable outside of defence.

I do seem to remember that Amen especially was praised for his playmaking/creation as a prospect.

My point was in the NBA if you can't shoot off the dribble even a little bit you won't be given the ball enough to create. It essentially mutes his playmaking skills. Being a .1% athlete v a 10%ile athlete doesn't matter, either. See the long list of scrubs that have participated in the dunk contest over the years. Edgecombe could well be a bust, but he offers a pretty similar outlook on a role in the NBA.

I think you’re underrating Amen’s scoring prowess.
He won’t ever be a first option or a primary ball handler but his athleticism on top of having high feel is potent enough where he’s one of the rare guys who can get away with it.

He’s not Scottie Barnes where you can sag off him and he can’t exploit it due to not having a first step. Amen will blitz you and blow by you within a second.

Amen is a unique athlete in the NBA, he’s not just a leaper.

Read on Twitter

?s=46

[WuTang_CMB]

JK going to be a good one. Dont see how he isn't a top 5 pick. Def in our group

Watch on YouTube

[billy_hoyle]

I do seem to remember that Amen especially was praised for his playmaking/creation as a prospect.

My point was in the NBA if you can't shoot off the dribble even a little bit you won't be given the ball enough to create. It essentially mutes his playmaking skills. Being a .1% athlete v a 10%ile athlete doesn't matter, either. See the long list of scrubs that have participated in the dunk contest over the years. Edgecombe could well be a bust, but he offers a pretty similar outlook on a role in the NBA.

I think you’re underrating Amen’s scoring prowess.
He won’t ever be a first option or a primary ball handler but his athleticism on top of having high feel is potent enough where he’s one of the rare guys who can get away with it.

He’s not Scottie Barnes where you can sag off him and he can’t exploit it due to not having a first step. Amen will blitz you and blow by you within a second.

Amen is a unique athlete in the NBA, he’s not just a leaper.

Read on Twitter

?s=46

I really like Amen (and Ausar). Seems like a pretty similiar type and tier of prospect as VJ tho. Are you discounting how he looked in the Olympics?

An elite athlete that has very likely transferrable disruptor skills (i.e STOCKS) is the main selling point for all 3 of these guys. Offense is what needs to be developed.

[grant101]

It's wild to me that Johni Broome continues to go under the radar and undrafted in some mocks. I see Wendell Carter Jr., which is a great outcome for a pick outside the lottery. Granted, he's a little older (22 yo, July birthday), but the guy just knows how to play the game on both ends. I'd take him over either Ivisic brother without blinking.

Read on Twitter

[ATLTimekeeper]

I do seem to remember that Amen especially was praised for his playmaking/creation as a prospect.

My point was in the NBA if you can't shoot off the dribble even a little bit you won't be given the ball enough to create. It essentially mutes his playmaking skills. Being a .1% athlete v a 10%ile athlete doesn't matter, either. See the long list of scrubs that have participated in the dunk contest over the years. Edgecombe could well be a bust, but he offers a pretty similar outlook on a role in the NBA.

I think you’re underrating Amen’s scoring prowess.
He won’t ever be a first option or a primary ball handler but his athleticism on top of having high feel is potent enough where he’s one of the rare guys who can get away with it.

He’s not Scottie Barnes where you can sag off him and he can’t exploit it due to not having a first step. Amen will blitz you and blow by you within a second.

Amen is a unique athlete in the NBA, he’s not just a leaper.

Read on Twitter

?s=46

Long term, in this era, I've only really seen it work for Giannis, and he's 7 feet tall. Eventually they just scout that out.

[HumbleRen]

My point was in the NBA if you can't shoot off the dribble even a little bit you won't be given the ball enough to create. It essentially mutes his playmaking skills. Being a .1% athlete v a 10%ile athlete doesn't matter, either. See the long list of scrubs that have participated in the dunk contest over the years. Edgecombe could well be a bust, but he offers a pretty similar outlook on a role in the NBA.

I think you’re underrating Amen’s scoring prowess.
He won’t ever be a first option or a primary ball handler but his athleticism on top of having high feel is potent enough where he’s one of the rare guys who can get away with it.

He’s not Scottie Barnes where you can sag off him and he can’t exploit it due to not having a first step. Amen will blitz you and blow by you within a second.

Amen is a unique athlete in the NBA, he’s not just a leaper.

Read on Twitter

?s=46

I really like Amen (and Ausar). Seems like a pretty similiar type and tier of prospect as VJ tho. Are you discounting how he looked in the Olympics?

An elite athlete that has very likely transferrable disruptor skills (i.e STOCKS) is the main selling point for all 3 of these guys. Offense is what needs to be developed.

If you ignore the fact that the twins are better athletes on top of having better passing chops with an extra 3-4 extra inches then sure.

I just think VJ’s offence’s is way more of a question mark because he’s smaller in stature so I personally wouldn’t have them in the same tier as prospects. He’s a wing in a guards body.

[ForeverTFC]

I agree with one point of yours, it’s a weird argument.

Twins are better prospects and they’re not really comparable outside of defence.

I do seem to remember that Amen especially was praised for his playmaking/creation as a prospect.

My point was in the NBA if you can't shoot off the dribble even a little bit you won't be given the ball enough to create. It essentially mutes his playmaking skills. Being a .1% athlete v a 10%ile athlete doesn't matter, either. See the long list of scrubs that have participated in the dunk contest over the years. Edgecombe could well be a bust, but he offers a pretty similar outlook on a role in the NBA.

You may be under-rating the physical profile of the twins. Amen was pretty much playing C last year when Sengun went out and was crushing it. You can make the case that Amen can legitimately play any position on the floor. Can the same be said about Edgecombe? Serious question, I don't know much about this year's prospects yet.

[Psubs]

It's wild to me that Johni Broome continues to go under the radar and undrafted in some mocks. I see Wendell Carter Jr., which is a great outcome for a pick outside the lottery. Granted, he's a little older (22 yo, July birthday), but the guy just knows how to play the game on both ends. I'd take him over either Ivisic brother without blinking.

Read on Twitter

Isn't he a 5 year senior? I can see a team late teens taking him. BK has a tonne of picks.

[Reeko]

I think you’re underrating Amen’s scoring prowess.
He won’t ever be a first option or a primary ball handler but his athleticism on top of having high feel is potent enough where he’s one of the rare guys who can get away with it.

He’s not Scottie Barnes where you can sag off him and he can’t exploit it due to not having a first step. Amen will blitz you and blow by you within a second.

Amen is a unique athlete in the NBA, he’s not just a leaper.

Read on Twitter

?s=46

I really like Amen (and Ausar). Seems like a pretty similiar type and tier of prospect as VJ tho. Are you discounting how he looked in the Olympics?

An elite athlete that has very likely transferrable disruptor skills (i.e STOCKS) is the main selling point for all 3 of these guys. Offense is what needs to be developed.

If you ignore the fact that the twins are better athletes on top of having better passing chops with an extra 3-4 extra inches then sure.

I just think VJ’s offence’s is way more of a question mark because he’s smaller in stature so I personally wouldn’t have them in the same tier as prospects. He’s a wing in a guards body.

I don’t know that they’re better athletes than VJ. Maybe Amen is. Also Ausar is not the same level of passer as Amen. VJ would be the best athlete we’ve had on the team since Vince, and by a pretty comfortable margin.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Also consider that VJ has a reputation as a good shooter. It hasn't materialized but he's not coming into the league with a busted jumper.

[billy_hoyle]

I think you’re underrating Amen’s scoring prowess.
He won’t ever be a first option or a primary ball handler but his athleticism on top of having high feel is potent enough where he’s one of the rare guys who can get away with it.

He’s not Scottie Barnes where you can sag off him and he can’t exploit it due to not having a first step. Amen will blitz you and blow by you within a second.

Amen is a unique athlete in the NBA, he’s not just a leaper.

Read on Twitter

?s=46

I really like Amen (and Ausar). Seems like a pretty similiar type and tier of prospect as VJ tho. Are you discounting how he looked in the Olympics?

An elite athlete that has very likely transferrable disruptor skills (i.e STOCKS) is the main selling point for all 3 of these guys. Offense is what needs to be developed.

If you ignore the fact that the twins are better athletes on top of having better passing chops with an extra 3-4 extra inches then sure.

I just think VJ’s offence’s is way more of a question mark because he’s smaller in stature so I personally wouldn’t have them in the same tier as prospects. He’s a wing in a guards body.

I think that's the question tho right? What are their positions?

The Thompson Twins are basically wings with elite wing athleticism and good/great wing playmaking with the ability to guard 1 thru 4 (probably best suited to guard fellow wings).

VJ looks more like a combo guard right?

His D might be best utilized guarding the 1 - 2.

Size is relative to the position you're matched up against. VJ has great size for a PG, and the potential for decent shooting and secondary playmaking. I'm not sure he's a great fit for our team, but BPA at this stage of the rebuild.

[HumbleRen]

I really like Amen (and Ausar). Seems like a pretty similiar type and tier of prospect as VJ tho. Are you discounting how he looked in the Olympics?

An elite athlete that has very likely transferrable disruptor skills (i.e STOCKS) is the main selling point for all 3 of these guys. Offense is what needs to be developed.

If you ignore the fact that the twins are better athletes on top of having better passing chops with an extra 3-4 extra inches then sure.

I just think VJ’s offence’s is way more of a question mark because he’s smaller in stature so I personally wouldn’t have them in the same tier as prospects. He’s a wing in a guards body.

I think that's the question tho right? What are their positions?

The Thompson Twins are basically wings with elite wing athleticism and good/great wing playmaking with the ability to guard 1 thru 4 (probably best suited to guard fellow wings).

VJ looks more like a combo guard right?

His D might be best utilized guarding the 1 - 2.

Size is relative to the position you're matched up against. VJ has great size for a PG, and the potential for decent shooting and secondary playmaking. I'm not sure he's a great fit for our team, but BPA at this stage of the rebuild.

VJ is a wing in a guard’s body.

He would be a pretty bad fit for us offensively but if we unfortunately drop from the top 5, he’s probably the BPA at that point, you kinda have to select him.

[Indeed]

Have you watched any Asa Newell?

I was out on him early largely due to archetype, but after watching a few Georgia games and some of his tape/scouting reports from his time at Montverde, I've fallen in love with him. Don't have a board as of now, but I can't see him falling much lower than my top 5.

Do you see him with elite offensive potential, elite defensive potential or just as a high level role player?

I thought Queen was fat and while a good college player like Lofton, Jr. does not the the physical attributes for the NBA. Also, where the hell is Bailey?

I believe Queen is overweight, while you cannot compare to Lofton Jr, because Queen is all about footwork and passing.
I might not have him in the top 3, but I think he can be in the top 10.

As for Asa, I think he is an elite defensive player to guard multiple positions, but I am unsure he has the perimeter skills to play as a forward. He could be in the top 10 as well.

[DKB333]

Do you see him with elite offensive potential, elite defensive potential or just as a high level role player?

I thought Queen was fat and while a good college player like Lofton, Jr. does not the the physical attributes for the NBA. Also, where the hell is Bailey?

I believe Queen is overweight, while you cannot compare to Lofton Jr, because Queen is all about footwork and passing.
I might not have him in the top 3, but I think he can be in the top 10.

As for Asa, I think he is an elite defensive player to guard multiple positions, but I am unsure he has the perimeter skills to play as a forward. He could be in the top 10 as well.

I have heard Queen being compared to DeMarcus Cousins. He was a great player in his early years but the NBA seemed to have passed him by. If he can't defend or shoot not sure why he should go top 10 is a loaded draft.

[billy_hoyle]

If you ignore the fact that the twins are better athletes on top of having better passing chops with an extra 3-4 extra inches then sure.

I just think VJ’s offence’s is way more of a question mark because he’s smaller in stature so I personally wouldn’t have them in the same tier as prospects. He’s a wing in a guards body.

I think that's the question tho right? What are their positions?

The Thompson Twins are basically wings with elite wing athleticism and good/great wing playmaking with the ability to guard 1 thru 4 (probably best suited to guard fellow wings).

VJ looks more like a combo guard right?

His D might be best utilized guarding the 1 - 2.

Size is relative to the position you're matched up against. VJ has great size for a PG, and the potential for decent shooting and secondary playmaking. I'm not sure he's a great fit for our team, but BPA at this stage of the rebuild.

VJ is a wing in a guard’s body.

He would be a pretty bad fit for us offensively but if we unfortunately drop from the top 5, he’s probably the BPA at that point, you kinda have to select him.

I'm of the philosophical team building notion that you are what you guard. So, if VJ has the ability to stay with guards, and is a disruptive force on that end, then you compensate for that with offensively initiators at other positions (we already have a pretty high ceiling option with Scottie).

You would really need to surround those two with shooting though.

VJ
Dick/Walter
Defensive SF shooter/Ochai
Barnes
Stretch 5

Can you turn RJ and IQ and some 1sts into OG and Towns? Haha

[Indeed]

I really like Amen (and Ausar). Seems like a pretty similiar type and tier of prospect as VJ tho. Are you discounting how he looked in the Olympics?

An elite athlete that has very likely transferrable disruptor skills (i.e STOCKS) is the main selling point for all 3 of these guys. Offense is what needs to be developed.

If you ignore the fact that the twins are better athletes on top of having better passing chops with an extra 3-4 extra inches then sure.

I just think VJ’s offence’s is way more of a question mark because he’s smaller in stature so I personally wouldn’t have them in the same tier as prospects. He’s a wing in a guards body.

I don’t know that they’re better athletes than VJ. Maybe Amen is. Also Ausar is not the same level of passer as Amen. VJ would be the best athlete we’ve had on the team since Vince, and by a pretty comfortable margin.

Edgecombe only has a 6'6 wingspan. Edgecombe will need a lot of skills to be a PG, while playing at SG will be slightly undersize. Norman Powell maybe a better comparison, even Powell has a 6'10 wingspan.