2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

mihaic · Post #661 » by **mihaic** » Mon Feb 17, 2025 6:44 pm

I think the problem we have is that we don't have a proper PG. Ideally Quick, RJ, Walter and Dick should all play at SG with a proper dynamic PG. Assuming Poeltl Scottie Ingram are starting.

Astaluego · Post #662 » by **Astaluego** » Mon Feb 17, 2025 6:52 pm

mihaic wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
Astaluego wrote:RJ Barrett for J.Collins...Collins expiring as 6 man to backup Poelt/Barnes..
what do you think?

The Raptors need a bare minimum of two 2nd rounders or 1 first round pick. If that can happen then the Raptors would probably be down for this trade.

If Collins opts into his PO...

Barrett for Collins + 2025 LAC 2nd + 2026 MIN/CLE 1st (basically a 2nd rounder)

Poeltl
Collins
Barnes
Ingram
IQ

The 6'9 dream would be alive again.

That's a bottom 8 team with almost every player playing out of position. EDIT: Moreover noone can defend the opposing PG.

IQ/Agbaji/Ingram/Barnes/Poelt
Draft or Shead/Walter/Dicks/Mogbo/Collins

I think this would be more balanced, a good starting five and very good depth... if they stay reasonably healthy, I think they could be a 4th or 6th seed (where Pacers/Pistons/Bucks are now) with a lot of room for improvement due to their youth.

mihaic · Post #663 » by **mihaic** » Mon Feb 17, 2025 9:30 pm

Astaluego wrote:
mihaic wrote:
Thaddy wrote:The Raptors need a bare minimum of two 2nd rounders or 1 first round pick. If that can happen then the Raptors would probably be down for this trade.

If Collins opts into his PO...

Barrett for Collins + 2025 LAC 2nd + 2026 MIN/CLE 1st (basically a 2nd rounder)

Poeltl
Collins
Barnes
Ingram
IQ

The 6'9 dream would be alive again.

That's a bottom 8 team with almost every player playing out of position. EDIT: Moreover noone can defend the opposing PG.

IQ/Agbaji/Ingram/Barnes/Poelt
Draft or Shead/Walter/Dicks/Mogbo/Collins

I think this would be more balanced, a good starting five and very good depth... if they stay reasonably healthy, I think they could be a 4th or 6th seed (where Pacers/Pistons/Bucks are now) with a lot of room for improvement due to their youth.

Ya that's much better, possibly okish on D. Players also play their position (I guess we put Agbaji on the opposing best guard but in the offensive set everyone can play at their strength)

hyper316 · Post #664 » by **hyper316** » Mon Feb 17, 2025 9:46 pm

mihaic wrote:I think the problem we have is that we don't have a proper PG. Ideally Quick, RJ, Walter and Dick should all play at SG with a proper dynamic PG. Assuming Poeltl Scottie Ingram are starting.

We don't need a proper PG with Scottie around, we need proper shooters for 5 out basketball. Poeltl is the issue

mihaic · Post #665 » by **mihaic** » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:03 pm

hyper316 wrote:
mihaic wrote:I think the problem we have is that we don't have a proper PG. Ideally Quick, RJ, Walter and Dick should all play at SG with a proper dynamic PG. Assuming Poeltl Scottie Ingram are starting.

We don't need a proper PG with Scottie around, we need proper shooters for 5 out basketball. Poeltl is the issue

I strongly disagree. Good teams need high level point guards. Look at contenders. Most of them have outstanding point guards, even Lebron and Durant needed them to win their championships. We had peak Lowry if you remember. Milwaukee and Celts with Jrue. Doncic. Irving. Curry. Murray. Etc. I don't see IQ playing at that level, I know that can change but imo it's unlikely.

Thaddy · Post #666 » by **Thaddy** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 1:16 am

hyper316 wrote:
mihaic wrote:I think the problem we have is that we don't have a proper PG. Ideally Quick, RJ, Walter and Dick should all play at SG with a proper dynamic PG. Assuming Poeltl Scottie Ingram are starting.

We don't need a proper PG with Scottie around, we need proper shooters for 5 out basketball. Poeltl is the issue

Barnes piss poor offense is more of an issue than Poeltl. If Scottie could shoot 38% from 3 we would be a much better team than we currently are. Even if he was just a stationary shooter it would take our offense to a top 10 level.

bballsparkin · Post #667 » by **bballsparkin** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:26 am

Thaddy wrote:Barnes piss poor offense is more of an issue than Poeltl. If Scottie could shoot 38% from 3 we would be a much better team than we currently are. Even if he was just a stationary shooter it would take our offense to a top 10 level.

Asking Scottie to shoot 38% from threes is a lot isn't it. That was never in his repertoire. I'd be happy with 33% for now.

Sticks · Post #668 » by **Sticks** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:25 am

mihaic wrote:I think the problem we have is that we don't have a proper PG. Ideally Quick, RJ, Walter and Dick should all play at SG with a proper dynamic PG. Assuming Poeltl Scottie Ingram are starting.

The solution is Kyrie Irving

Kyrie opts out this offseason, Masai works his magic and trades Quickley + in a S&T into Kyrie

Kyrie
RJ
Ingram
Barnes
Poetl

This starting lineup plus our deep and young bench is top 4 in the east easy

Los_29 · Post #669 » by **Los_29** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:40 am

mihaic wrote:I think the problem we have is that we don't have a proper PG. Ideally Quick, RJ, Walter and Dick should all play at SG with a proper dynamic PG. Assuming Poeltl Scottie Ingram are starting.

IQ is a point guard and a good playmaker. This is a guy who will likely average 6-7apg with us when healthy.

And as we’ve seen, you don’t need a “proper” pg to win in this league.

CazOnReal · Post #670 » by **CazOnReal** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:57 am

Sticks wrote:
mihaic wrote:I think the problem we have is that we don't have a proper PG. Ideally Quick, RJ, Walter and Dick should all play at SG with a proper dynamic PG. Assuming Poeltl Scottie Ingram are starting.

The solution is Kyrie Irving

Kyrie opts out this offseason, Masai works his magic and trades Quickley + in a S&T into Kyrie

Kyrie
RJ
Ingram
Barnes
Poetl

This starting lineup plus our deep and young bench is top 4 in the east easy

F*ck everything about this.

Kyrie is not some renowned playmaker and is likely on the decline.

He's not a team's lead guard at this stage in his career and has never demonstrated the ability to do so; his best times were playing off of a better lead PG in James Harden (Nets) or Luka (Mavericks), and while LeBron wasn't the PG in Cleveland he was and still is a better leader for playmaking than Kyrie.

He's a flat earther and has been a team cancer in 3/4 teams for his career - and he's only been "not team cancer" after him blowing up the team prior to that made him so toxic that no one but Dallas wanted to take a risk on him (and thus he had to salvage his value by not tweeting out various anti-semitic bullsh*t, among other controversies).

And for Quickley? F*ck no.

hyper316 · Post #671 » by **hyper316** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:10 am

Today I just learned Cooper Flagg has a twin brother

Psubs · Post #672 » by **Psubs** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:49 pm

What's the most, people are willing to trade for KD?

Poetll, Barrett and Dick?
For
KD and Nik Richards

PG IQ - Shead - Jakobe
SG Ingram - Jakobe
SF KD - Mogbo - Battle
PF Scottie - 1st pick
C Nick Richard - 1st pick - Chomche

MoneyBall · Post #673 » by **MoneyBall** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:06 am

Los_29 wrote:
mihaic wrote:I think the problem we have is that we don't have a proper PG. Ideally Quick, RJ, Walter and Dick should all play at SG with a proper dynamic PG. Assuming Poeltl Scottie Ingram are starting.

IQ is a point guard and a good playmaker. This is a guy who will likely average 6-7apg with us when healthy.

And as we’ve seen, you don’t need a “proper” pg to win in this league.

Kind of off topic, but I miss those days. PGs setting the offense, hooking guys up with sweet passes. Nash, Kidd, Paul, D.Williams, Parker, Rondo... those were the days.

MessiahUjiri · Post #674 » by **MessiahUjiri** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:39 am

If we drop out of the top 8, is there a chance we look to trade back with someone like Atlanta, so that we have 2 picks instead of 1?

Atlanta currently has #13 and #23.

#9 for
#13 & #23.

mihaic · Post #675 » by **mihaic** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:54 am

MessiahUjiri wrote:If we drop out of the top 8, is there a chance we look to trade back with someone like Atlanta, so that we have 2 picks instead of 1?

Atlanta currently has #13 and #23.

#9 for
#13 & #23.

Do we even have enough roster spots? I'd rather we trade up.

CazOnReal · Post #676 » by **CazOnReal** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:01 pm

mihaic wrote:
MessiahUjiri wrote:If we drop out of the top 8, is there a chance we look to trade back with someone like Atlanta, so that we have 2 picks instead of 1?

Atlanta currently has #13 and #23.

#9 for
#13 & #23.

Do we even have enough roster spots? I'd rather we trade up.

We would given who is expiring, and this would also resolve (in a small way) the cap situation we'd have regarding filling out the remaining roster with how little cap space we would have post-BI extension and Scottie's max kicking in.

Granted, it would be pretty catastrophic to drop to 9th after this season...

Rapsfan07 · Post #677 » by **Rapsfan07** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:35 pm

CazOnReal wrote:
mihaic wrote:
MessiahUjiri wrote:If we drop out of the top 8, is there a chance we look to trade back with someone like Atlanta, so that we have 2 picks instead of 1?

Atlanta currently has #13 and #23.

#9 for
#13 & #23.

Do we even have enough roster spots? I'd rather we trade up.

We would given who is expiring, and this would also resolve (in a small way) the cap situation we'd have regarding filling out the remaining roster with how little cap space we would have post-BI extension and Scottie's max kicking in.

Granted, it would be pretty catastrophic to drop to 9th after this season...

That would be an absolute disaster but if push came to shove, I would consider this.

Godaddycurse · Post #678 » by **Godaddycurse** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:25 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
CazOnReal wrote:
mihaic wrote:Do we even have enough roster spots? I'd rather we trade up.

We would given who is expiring, and this would also resolve (in a small way) the cap situation we'd have regarding filling out the remaining roster with how little cap space we would have post-BI extension and Scottie's max kicking in.

Granted, it would be pretty catastrophic to drop to 9th after this season...

That would be an absolute disaster but if push came to shove, I would consider this.

13 + 23 makes more money than #9 + 2nd round min contract so that doesn't help at all

~8.4 M for 13 + 23 vs 7.8M for #9 and 2nd round min contract after 120% raises for both sides

Grindhouse · Post #679 » by **Grindhouse** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:13 pm

scottie barnes/ shead
gradey dick/ ingram
bradon ingram/ RJ / battle
derik queen/ scottie
yak poetlt/ queen

draft derik queen please and thank you

the players I didnt mention have no future here

HangTime · Post #680 » by **HangTime** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:24 pm

Grindhouse wrote:scottie barnes/ shead
gradey dick/ ingram
bradon ingram/ RJ / battle
derik queen/ scottie
yak poetlt/ queen

draft derik queen please and thank you

the players I didnt mention have no future here

Ja'Kobe is probably the 3rd most important/intriguing player we have (won't be used that way for a while), behind Scottie and Ingram.