pingpongrac wrote:Scase wrote:pingpongrac wrote:
It’s not just a “differing opinion” that’s the problem. There are plenty of posters on this board that voice their opinion with similar stances as you, but your takes gravitate towards the extreme (i.e. worst-case scenario) more often than not and you continuously spread your negativity throughout the forum. I mean just look at the post counts for the three Ingram-related threads on the first page of this forum. You are #1 or #2 in all of them trying to tell everyone else that your opinion is based in reality while the ~90% of people that think it’s a good deal are wrong and they’re using made up stats to cope.
So my posting frequency is an issue, yet I'm not just speaking into the ether. People are quoting me and responding to me directly, should I just ignore them to protect your sensibilities?
The last 2+ pages have been the same group of 4-5 posters dog piling on me as they do in every other thread where they don't like the opinion I share.
My takes gravitate towards the "I think this is going to fail, and here is why", if you think that is the extreme then perhaps provide counters that aren't "this is definitely going to work", cause that's all I ever see in response.
Ingram is injured and will probably continue to be so -> No we have a great medical staff it's all because NOP is cursed.
Jak trade was bad and won't work out -> Jak is a top 10 centre and championship calibre.
This team is likely a 1st/2nd round exit ceiling -> This is all asset building we have tons of young talent who have star potential and all we need is a trade for a super star when we're ready.
Like I'm not out here saying things like it's the worst trade in the franchise's history, hell I don't even think the trade itself is bad, I am not a fan of the timing of it. But any time you say anything that isn't glazing every move this team makes, you get branded as negative, despite the age of the average poster here, there seems to be a real difficult grasp that realism =/= negativity.
I prefer to be grounded in my approach, if people want to be overly optimistic that's their prerogative, but it doesn't make them immune from criticism. Lord knows it doesn't stop them from personally attacking me when I don't agree. There are plenty of people here that IMO have absurdly positive takes on things, but I'm not following them around the forums constantly commenting on all their stuff acting like they stole my GF.
Don't like my posts, put me on ignore, that's what I do. That's what the feature is for, I have a handful of people on ignore because I'm not a fan of their content. Use the tools at your disposal.
Your posting frequency in any one thread on its own isn’t the issue. The fact that you are posting more than anyone else in various Ingram threads is pretty telling though as it’s not like you are being forced to post those opinions and respond to every single person who disagrees with you in all three threads either…but you do.
The 4th paragraph is the perfect example of how you fairly frequently go the extreme. Even most people that are a fan of the Ingram trade are wary of his injury history and have acknowledged that he’s likely to miss some time one way or another. There are only a handful of posters on this entire board that think Poeltl is a legitimate Championship calibre / top 10 C in the league while the majority think he’s just a good C in the 15-20 range. This team likely is a 1st/2nd round ceiling — as currently constructed and in their current state — but that ignores the fact that the majority of the core is not even in their prime yet and the bench is filled with young players with varying degrees of potential while we’re more than likely going to add a top 8 pick from a very good draft in a few months and there is still the option of trading any one of the core pieces for an upgrade at some point if the fit/talent isn’t up to par.
You say you prefer to be grounded, but that is not what you have been on this board for as long as I can remember. The literal definition of grounded is “well balanced and sensible,” so how can you consider yourself to be grounded when your opinions are anything but well balanced? Almost everything is doom and gloom while the occasional post of approval is cosigned with a caveat. This is quite literally a Raptors fan board and most posters are going to lean towards the optimistic side because they want to see the team win and/or play well whenever they’re on the court. That doesn’t mean that you or anyone else that disagrees with the direction of the team isn’t a fan, but when the overwhelming majority of your posts over a 16-year span — where the team was generally pretty good and one of the best in the league for half of that time then even won a Championship — is against everything the organization is doing, it stands out. If someone from another board was to post your same thoughts on this board, they would probably be banned within a week due to negativity that could be seen as baiting.
So hang on, that paragraph is a perfect example of me going to the extremes......by paraphrasing arguments that I disagree with? What nonsense is that?
How is me saying things like, Ingram is injury prone and will probably continue to be, NOT "balanced and sensible". It is based off 8 of 9 years of his NBA career, it is not taking something to the extreme when my points are COUNTERING the extreme comments.
Stating Jak is a "top 10 centre" is an extreme comment? You know
Masai Ujiri is the one that said that right? And then it gets parroted by people on here, but
I'm the one that's talking in extremes?
Here is a whole ass thread
4 games into Jaks tenure, and saying things like :
the 103 drtg when jak's on the court makes the raptors the best defense in the league.
It'd be crazy if we went on a Celtics like dominant defensive run to close out the year.
Best centre in franchise history
Poeltl Net Rating of 15.9 in 4 games
And my personal favourite :
Trade deadline really wasn't a good moment for some posters here. Many were crying for Cam Thomas, who has now been dropped from the Nets rotation.
You know, the same Cam Thomas who put up 22/3/3 on 44/36/86 splits last year, and is currently putting up 25/4/3 on 45/37.5/88 splits in his limited games this season.
All this is in the first page and a half of that thread. Stop acting like the comments were just a "handful of posters", there was a huge group of people that were parading around like it was a massive win and a turning point for the franchise, just like they are doing it for the BI trade.
Yet when I say "Hey that's probably not going to be the case",
I'm the extreme one.
And you want to talk about the time when we were pretty good and even won a chip? Yeah, just like the attempt at calling out CPT earlier about being "wrong" before we won the chip, I was calling for trading DD and firing casey, because the team was going nowhere. And would you look at that, it happened, and we won a chip. People said they wanted to rebuild after being a team constantly failing in the playoffs, and that involves moving on from players. Same way I called for moving Siakam/FVV years ago, and lo and behold, we doubled down on that flawed core, traded future assets to double down on it, just to be right there anyways.
I do not in any way purport to have all the right answers by any stretch, but there are some that are pretty damn obvious, and just because people want to coast by on blind faith, doesn't make me negative, or dishonest, or any other adjective people feel the need to throw at me because they refuse to be "well balanced and sensible" in their assessments.
I have a sneaking suspicion that none of this is going to change your opinion, because it's clearly already made and set in stone, but maybe for a second, realize the "negative/dishonest" person that was
realistic in his expectations and opinions was the accurate one, and the same people flying off the handle with absurdly unrealistic statements and expectations, were the extreme ones.
Or again, is it only dishonest, negative, and extreme, because it runs counter to your opinion. Opinions that are then hand waved away 2 years later when those opinions turned out to be wildly inaccurate?
vini_vidi_vici wrote:We are not a monolith, or are we? Make up your mind.
This is just putting words in our mouths. We don't think that a complete tear down and tanking is the only way to succeed, we just think it's the best way....
every one of you sees this as a home run move, A+ Masai is back type deal from what I've read
We/you. The irony.
Dog piling, because people say a statistic is bad because they "wont" look into it, and is met with bad faith accusations. But hey, everyones a victim.
The truth is, and especially with all the movement of stars, there is no set way to win a championship. You can draft them, you can accumulate assets and move them, its not some binary. All you are arguing is likelihoods, but acting as though its definitive.
Boring.
78% gave Masai a B or higher rating for his post deadline approval.84% think that the BI extension was a good deal.79% gave the pascal return a B+ or higher.64% of people think Scottie was the best player in the 2021 draft70% gave Masais 2024 approval rating an A or B as of Oct 2024So yeah, it's a fair assessment to say "every one of you" sees it as a homerun, or at the very least a very good trade, and overall thinks he's got his mojo back and is making great moves.
And yet in May of last year
Only 28% of people were for trading to acquire BI.Sure sounds like a whole lot of people just glaze any move that is made,
after it's been made. Same way how no one was on board for tanking until Masai came out and said the magic word "rebuild". Then suddenly, so many people were in support, fancy that.
Meanwhile :
25 games in 72% of people were happy or somewhat happy with the state of the team. With the vast majority of comments in that thread are happy/excited about the prospect of adding a top 5 pick to the roster.
How does the board feel about A tank season? 87% love it.I am curious to see if there is any poll made about how many people are in support of some 5 year+ tanking job, cause after 30 pages deep of this board, not once did I find any poll with any results of how long people think we should be tanking for. So it is a very fair statement to say "every one" might be a bit heavy handed, but it's also not very far off from being a monolith when you're seeing 70-84% approval ratings, and there is nothing conclusive to show that "tWo" is a monolith that all agree the team should be tanking for years to come.
