Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

wegetitin08 · Post #681 » by **wegetitin08** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:28 am

Out of us and the teams currently ranked around us, who has the toughest schedule?

Waylon Mercy · Post #682 » by **Waylon Mercy** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:53 am

I just watched the KY vs. Georiga game on my PVR

Anthony Davis got 2 FGA all game... The ESPN commentators were not happy about that
but raved about him saying he can be the next Garnett.

John Calipari was also giving Terrence Jones the business multiple times for mishaps

fredericklove · Post #683 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:29 am

How was MKG's performance tonight?

Waylon Mercy · Post #684 » by **Waylon Mercy** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:37 am

fredericklove wrote:How was MKG's performance tonight?

14 and 11 but was non existent in the second half...

Really appreciating his speed and how thats an attribute the Raps really miss outside of
Barbosa.

fredericklove · Post #685 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:54 am

Waylon Mercy wrote:
fredericklove wrote:How was MKG's performance tonight?

14 and 11 but was non existent in the second half...

Really appreciating his speed and how thats an attribute the Raps really miss outside of
Barbosa.

Non-existent? was it because it was a blow out? Usually he makes impacts when the team is down by whatever points....so?

Waylon Mercy · Post #686 » by **Waylon Mercy** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:04 am

fredericklove wrote:
Waylon Mercy wrote:
fredericklove wrote:How was MKG's performance tonight?

14 and 11 but was non existent in the second half...

Really appreciating his speed and how thats an attribute the Raps really miss outside of
Barbosa.

Non-existent? was it because it was a blow out? Usually he makes impacts when the team is down by whatever points....so?

He had 2 points in the second half

fredericklove · Post #687 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:20 am

Waylon Mercy wrote:
He had 2 points in the second half

icic, that's rare to see. But at least the 14 and 11 overall is aite.

Post #688 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:21 am

MKG was still all over the defensive end in the second half, they didn't need him to score. He and Davis are a two man swarm and they dominated the glass.

A couple things though, I think MKG's half court offense could be a legit question mark and the more I watch him the more I think he's a 2. He's just not that tall. If both those things are true he could have some problems in the NBA, but if only one is true then he could be fine.

RapsFanInOhio · Post #689 » by **RapsFanInOhio** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:49 am

We desperately need a creator at PG, SF, or SG and I don't think there's one in this class, sadly.

TheRaptor! · Post #690 » by **TheRaptor!** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:37 am

RapsFanInOhio wrote:We desperately need a creator at PG, SF, or SG and I don't think there's one in this class, sadly.

We can't fill all our holes in one draft.

We can, however, get a scorer at the SF position.

If we can get (Doesn't seem THAT unrealistic to me) something like this:

Nash/Calderon
Allen/Derozan
Barnes/JJ
Bargnani/Kleiza
Valanciunas/Amir

Ship Ed and Bayless for another piece, I think we'd be a second round playoff team at the very least. Surrounding Steve Nash with shooters in Allen, Barnes, Bargnani and a defensive, rebounding athletic C is ideal, imo. Derozan can even start to bring Allen off the bench.

Look at the East right now and tell me we can't be 3rd seed with that team.

tejpis · Post #691 » by **tejpis** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:42 am

TheRaptor! wrote:
RapsFanInOhio wrote:We desperately need a creator at PG, SF, or SG and I don't think there's one in this class, sadly.

We can't fill all our holes in one draft.

We can, however, get a scorer at the SF position.

If we can get (Doesn't seem THAT unrealistic to me) something like this:

Nash/Calderon
Allen/Derozan
Barnes/JJ
Bargnani/Kleiza
Valanciunas/Amir

Ship Ed and Bayless for another piece, I think we'd be a second round playoff team at the very least. Surrounding Steve Nash with shooters in Allen, Barnes, Bargnani and a defensive, rebounding athletic C is ideal, imo. Derozan can even start to bring Allen off the bench.

Look at the East right now and tell me we can't be 3rd seed with that team.

And why would Allen and Nash consider going to Toronto, when the likes of Knicks and Lakers would be all over them? Toronto are not going to contend with two starting rookies.

sunny · Post #692 » by **sunny** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:28 pm

one thing to consider - the 2012 highschool class is the largest bigman class in recent history. This means that the nba draft from 2013-2015 will likely also have more bigs than normal.

sunny · Post #693 » by **sunny** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:39 pm

another thing is that the draft next year won't have that many players with elite potential.
Shabazz is looking good. I don't like Austin very much but I guess its possible he gets hype in college although he plays like Bargnani.
Anderson isn't a great prospect. Tarczewski will need time in college. Bennett is too small. Jerrett could be a sullinger. Ashley might have what it takes, but his season at finlay hasn't been spectacular. Steven Adams could be good, but the Pitt system will take its toll on him as a prospect.

nahom1319 · Post #694 » by **nahom1319** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:48 pm

RapsFanInOhio wrote:We desperately need a creator at PG, SF, or SG and I don't think there's one in this class, sadly.

We need the Lamb of God. :lol:

edquantum · Post #695 » by **edquantum** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:49 pm

mieshpal wrote:
edquantum wrote:Sign Nash, draft Jeremy Lamb and trade Derozan + Amir, 2nd for somebody like Deng and we have playoff time

Nash
Lamb
Deng*
Bargnani
Val

it aint happening by the time val has developed nash will be retired haha

I believe Val will be ready to contribute next year, he's playing pro basketball in Europe. Don't forget JJ, Kleiza, Calderon, Bayless, Barbosa, ED and other possible trades, FA vet's. I was talking about starting 5 and playoffs not a championship, but in the future who knows.

Man of Steel · Post #696 » by **Man of Steel** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:19 pm

Valanciunas / Magloire
Bargnani / A. Johnson
J. Johnson / Kleiza / Butler
Lamb / DeRozan
Kabongo / Bayless

1. Draft Lamb.
2. Trade a package containing any combination of Jose, Barbosa, Ed Davis for the pick that gets us Kabongo. Since we would be drafting Lamb, I would be open to moving DeRozan for the pick as well, if we could sign Weems.
3. Amnesty Jose if we can't move him.
4. Let simmer for 2-3 years.
5. Championship Time.

JamesNaismith · Post #697 » by **JamesNaismith** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:37 pm

sunny wrote:another thing is that the draft next year won't have that many players with elite potential.
Shabazz is looking good. I don't like Austin very much but I guess its possible he gets hype in college although he plays like Bargnani.
Anderson isn't a great prospect. Tarczewski will need time in college. Bennett is too small. Jerrett could be a sullinger. Ashley might have what it takes, but his season at finlay hasn't been spectacular. Steven Adams could be good, but the Pitt system will take its toll on him as a prospect.

Few things (you also missed 3 MAJOR prospects):

-Shabazz looks like the next dominant SG.
- Isaiah Austin does NOT look like Barg; awful comparison as IA plays defence quit well actually and rebounds
- you forgot Nerlen Noels probably the best shotblocking C prospect since Howard
- Jabari Parker who's game resembles a young Grant Hill
- Julius Randle who looks like an athletic freak version of ZBo but at SF
- plus I would suspect McAdoo will develop next year when Barnes is gone

Man of Steel · Post #698 » by **Man of Steel** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:53 pm

Valanciunas / Magloire
Bargnani / A. Johnson
J. Johnson / Kleiza / Butler
Lamb / DeRozan
Kabongo / Bayless

1. Draft Lamb.
2. Trade a package containing any combination of Jose, Barbosa, Ed Davis for the pick that gets us Kabongo. Since we would be drafting Lamb, I would be open to moving DeRozan for the pick as well, if we could sign Weems.
3. Amnesty Jose if we can't move him.
4. Let simmer for 2-3 years.
5. Championship Time.

JamesNaismith · Post #699 » by **JamesNaismith** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:03 pm

^If we draft Lamb then personally I feel we would need to do everything in our power to create a trade to land another lotto pick for a SMALL FORWARD....as all of them are easily considered better talent then any available PG hence no PGs even projected in the lotto.

I think any combo of:

Lamb
Barnes/MKG/PJ3
Bargnani
Val

looks better then the lineup you posted not to mention the league is LOADED with PGs; majority of which are just as good as Kabongo could hope to be or better.

sunny · Post #700 » by **sunny** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:46 pm

JamesNaismith wrote:
sunny wrote:another thing is that the draft next year won't have that many players with elite potential.
Shabazz is looking good. I don't like Austin very much but I guess its possible he gets hype in college although he plays like Bargnani.
Anderson isn't a great prospect. Tarczewski will need time in college. Bennett is too small. Jerrett could be a sullinger. Ashley might have what it takes, but his season at finlay hasn't been spectacular. Steven Adams could be good, but the Pitt system will take its toll on him as a prospect.

Few things (you also missed 3 MAJOR prospects):

-Shabazz looks like the next dominant SG.
- Isaiah Austin does NOT look like Barg; awful comparison as IA plays defence quit well actually and rebounds
- you forgot Nerlen Noels probably the best shotblocking C prospect since Howard
- Jabari Parker who's game resembles a young Grant Hill
- Julius Randle who looks like an athletic freak version of ZBo but at SF
- plus I would suspect McAdoo will develop next year when Barnes is gone

I like Bazz a lot. While he is not a a Greg oden/Dwight Howard/LBJ level star, he is on par I'd say with Davis - ahead of Barnes, maybe a bit behind Wall.
Austin has shown a poor attitude, weak motor and has not improved like many had hoped. He spends way too much time on the perimeter and hasn't developed necessary big man skills. His D looks good because of the level of competition he faces now.
- Noels is not in that class
- Parker is not in that class
- Randle is not in that class

Who do you want the Raptors to draft in the 2012 NBA Draft?