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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#681 » by Kabookalu » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:06 am

Red_Claw wrote:Derozan took the same amount of shots as the rest of the starters combined.........Take a look in the mirror if you don't believe hes the problem


DeMar was a problem, so as all the other pussies on the team that passed up shots that would rather watch DeMar ISO so they wouldn't have to try and score.
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Post#682 » by VinBaker6 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:06 am

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Yosemite Dan wrote:Lol at people blaming anybody other than DD entirely for this loss.


Cause it's perfectly okay for players to be pussies and not involve themselves in the offense.

It's everyone's fault. If Delon wasn't passing up easy looks he would have prevented DeMar from attempting another stupid ass drive with 4 Wizards around him.


The most concerning thing to me is that they're switching everything. There's too much of a burden on DD. Lowry couldn't even take Gortat on switches. We can't get into the regular offense.
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#683 » by Yosemite Dan » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:06 am

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Yosemite Dan wrote:Lol at people blaming anybody other than DD entirely for this loss.


Cause it's perfectly okay for players to be pussies and not involve themselves in the offense.

It's everyone's fault. If Delon wasn't passing up easy looks he would have prevented DeMar from attempting another stupid ass drive with 4 Wizards around him.


Lol you just don’t get it. How the **** would they involve themselves when DD is holding the ball and only passes when they’re not in a position to shoot? And then they’re forced to give the ball back to him. The only time this team showed rhythm is when DD was on the bench. The biggest pussy is DD because he could are less about the wins unless he looks good doing it.
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Re: RE: Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#684 » by lebron stopper » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:06 am

RalphWiggum wrote:"I thought DeMar was terrific". They shouldn't even let Casey get on the plane after saying something that stupid.

Stackhouse should be coaching game 5.


I still remember when Doofius Maximus defended a play call for DeMar to take a heavily contested (hand in the face) 16 foot game winner attempt that clanked off the rim because *surprise* it was heavily contested, and he said it was a "good clean look" and he would have DeMar take heavily contested shots "999 out of 1000" times.
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#685 » by Volcano » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:06 am

C.Boshly wrote:The culture and playstyle of this team is fine. This is the NBA; if your stars do not perform you will not be successful. Who exactly on this team would you rather have with the ball? Lowry and Delon who have no game between the three point line and basket? CJ Miles who looked terrified?

Casey was 100% on point in postgame. This team has to execute offensively, stop with the ridiculous turnovers and cannot pass up shots they normally take. We were in a position to win the game and either Lowry or Demar has to lead us there.


If the culture and play style was fine, what was this entire season of "culture change" for? Apparently, everyone in the entire organization bought into the "culture change", but you think it wasn't a good idea.

Our stars haven't perform in a couple of previous series, but we still got to the next round due to our supporting cast. You are also assuming our stars are at a level that they haven't reached yet. They are essential strong scorers who can't always be relied upon. The narrative that we have to win with Lowry/DD leading the way is false.

Lowry and Delon are more than capable of sharing and initiating possessions. The team has had plenty of minutes and games without DD in the past several years and they've done just fine.

Even Lowry and DD disagree with you, saying that they didn't follow their offense and the offense was stagnated, but no, the play style was fine.
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Post#686 » by lobosloboslobos » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:06 am

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"I thought DeMar was terrific". They shouldn't even let Casey get on the plane after saying something that stupid.

Stackhouse should be coaching game 5.


those journalists should read a few pages of our PG thread before they go to the presser so they have some freaking idea of what the real questions should be. Bunch a marshmallows.

"Oh Dwayne, sweetie, what went wrong in the 4th quarter because, gee, it did seem like something kinda sorta did go a teensy bit wrong?"

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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#687 » by TrustFundBaby » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:07 am

RaptorsNorth wrote:I can easily see the Raptors losing this series. they have no answer for wall who is averaging almost 30 points in this series, they're averaging 10 plus turnovers in every game, DeMar is back to his iso ways, Lowry is not scoring enough to compete with what wall and beal are putting up, CJ miles is just way too inconsistent, and JV looks slow and useless again. momentum has swung big time in this series, and the wizards small blood.


Easy to smell blood when your opponents bleed at the slightest provocation. Only team to make an ECF yet have no confidence in themselves, reverting to old habits when the pressure on.

I see Ben Simmons keeping his cool in a physical series, and he’s a rookie smh
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#688 » by Kabookalu » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:08 am

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Yosemite Dan wrote:Lol at people blaming anybody other than DD entirely for this loss.


Cause it's perfectly okay for players to be pussies and not involve themselves in the offense.

It's everyone's fault. If Delon wasn't passing up easy looks he would have prevented DeMar from attempting another stupid ass drive with 4 Wizards around him.


Lol you just don’t get it. How the **** would they involve themselves when DD is holding the ball and only passes when they’re not in a position to shoot? And then they’re forced to give the ball back to him. The only time this team showed rhythm is when DD was on the bench. The biggest pussy is DD because he could are less about the wins unless he looks good doing it.


Take open shots when you have them? Go up for lay ups when you're around the rim? Did you not see Poeltl down low in the post, and instead of trying to attack he'd just dribble it out and find DeMar? How many open looks did Delon pass up? Some of you guys have lower IQs than Ibaka. When players are REFUSING to shoot someone has to, and DeMar's the only one that wants to, too bad he ****ing sucks at it.




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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#689 » by Patman » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:08 am

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Oh so a single possession was enough reason to stop going to those two but DeMar we need a dozen straight, sounds about right.


Delon had plenty of opportunities to assert himself THROUGHOUT THE GAME and never did. Lowry had touches and kept deferring to DeMar in the 4th. Again, how is that on Casey?


You just admitted several times that the plays we're started with the ball in DeMar's hands, who else's fault would that be?! lol


DeRozan was the only one who was attacking the D in the 4th quarter. The problem was he would almost always attack and shoot instead of attack and pass. You can't create good looks just by aimlessly passing the ball around a dozen times in a possession. That's not good ball movement.
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#690 » by lebron stopper » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:09 am

Raptar7 wrote:Delon was shook tonight man. How many open 3s he passed up. Disappointed in him

CJ miles, I’m being honest he cheeses me more than DMC sometimes did. At least with Carroll we knew he was COMPLETE garbage, but CJ has the potential to kill other teams. We know he can do better, so when he off like tonight, it kills me.


I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Raptors *need* CJ Miles to make shots then they're already screwed
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#691 » by hsb » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:09 am

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Red_Claw wrote:Derozan took the same amount of shots as the rest of the starters combined.........Take a look in the mirror if you don't believe hes the problem


DeMar was a problem, so as all the other pussies on the team that passed up shots that would rather watch DeMar ISO so they wouldn't have to try and score.


I feel like the only player to pass up shots they absolutely should've taken at any impressionable quantity was Delon. I yelled at the screen one time and I don't really do that when watching a game lol.

I think setting up better in-rhythm shots means DD and KL have to execute quicker off the screen rather than just use a screen to catch the ball and dribble for a decent amount of time. If they don't, they can get caught up in getting their own shots as the defense is well established rather than moving out of position. Also, it's just a flat out fact DD missed too many rollers in the first half.
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Re: RE: Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#692 » by toronto00 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:09 am

Yosemite Dan wrote:Lol at people blaming anybody other than DD entirely for this loss.

No it wasn’t the refs it was DD

No it wasn’t Casey, it was DD. You think he told DD to chuck away the entire game? And what was he supposed to do because DD wouldn’t listen, is he gonna bench him? Last thing he wants is to create internal drama on this team, you can do that in February but not game 4 of the 1st round, especially when the game was tight throughout.

No it wasn’t Ibaka or any of the bench players looking scared. DD from the very first minute was going Kobe and didn’t care because his ego is the size of the hatred for Kathleen Wynne. He shut everyone out, took them out of thier comfort zone and then the few times they were allowed to have the ball, they naturally tighten up because they weren’t in rhythm. And consequently the defense suffered because they didn’t feel involved in the game. Go play a pick up game and if everyone refuses to pass to you, see how much you lose your zeal for playing defense after awhile. NBA players are human, it’s a natural reaction.

If any of you don’t solely blame DD for 100% of this loss then frankly you’re an idiot and there’s nothing to talk about.

As much as I truly appreciate your disgust for Demar Debraindead - he didn't check himself back in with 7 minutes left after playing the entire second half of iso ball. That distinct honor goes squarely on the incompetent shoulders of one Mr Casey.

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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#693 » by TrustFundBaby » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:10 am

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Cause it's perfectly okay for players to be pussies and not involve themselves in the offense.

It's everyone's fault. If Delon wasn't passing up easy looks he would have prevented DeMar from attempting another stupid ass drive with 4 Wizards around him.


Lol you just don’t get it. How the **** would they involve themselves when DD is holding the ball and only passes when they’re not in a position to shoot? And then they’re forced to give the ball back to him. The only time this team showed rhythm is when DD was on the bench. The biggest pussy is DD because he could are less about the wins unless he looks good doing it.


Take open shots when you have them? Go up for lay ups when you're around the rim? Did you not see Poeltl down low in the post, and instead of trying to attack he'd just dribble it out and find DeMar? How many open looks did Delon pass up? Some of you guys have lower IQs than Ibaka. When players are REFUSING to shoot someone has to, and DeMar's the only one that wants to, too bad he ****ing sucks at it.


Should’ve had Val in, idc If he’s a pylon. Not like we were getting stops. At least Wiz respect his scoring
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#694 » by Red_Claw » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:11 am

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Red_Claw wrote:Derozan took the same amount of shots as the rest of the starters combined.........Take a look in the mirror if you don't believe hes the problem


DeMar was a problem, so as all the other pussies on the team that passed up shots that would rather watch DeMar ISO so they wouldn't have to try and score.


So Derozan has wide open 3 but shoots it 30% or less, he should take it?!

I assume your blaming Delon. He's not a very good 3pt shooter or even spot up shooter. He's better at running the offence which he can't do when he's on the floor with Derozan who has the ball the majority.

Delon is a bench player and played solid defence. We don't need him scoring 20, 15 or even 10. We do need our big three who is apparently Kyle, DD and Serge to score efficiently which they did not do.

Delon does not tip the scale. Derozan going 10 for 29 does.
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#695 » by Yosemite Dan » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:11 am

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Oh so a single possession was enough reason to stop going to those two but DeMar we need a dozen straight, sounds about right.


Delon had plenty of opportunities to assert himself THROUGHOUT THE GAME and never did. Lowry had touches and kept deferring to DeMar in the 4th. Again, how is that on Casey?


You just admitted several times that the plays we're started with the ball in DeMar's hands, who else's fault would that be?! lol


So true. I don’t what game some of these guys were watching but DD had the ball in his hands constantly to start every possession and at least a dozen times where he had no intention to pass....and didn’t.
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Post#696 » by PhilBlackson » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:11 am

Patman wrote:
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Delon had plenty of opportunities to assert himself THROUGHOUT THE GAME and never did. Lowry had touches and kept deferring to DeMar in the 4th. Again, how is that on Casey?


You just admitted several times that the plays we're started with the ball in DeMar's hands, who else's fault would that be?! lol


DeRozan was the only one who was attacking the D in the 4th quarter. The problem was he would almost always attack and shoot instead of attack and pass. You can't create good looks just by aimlessly passing the ball around a dozen times in a possession. That's not good ball movement.


So who's job is it to draw up those plays so we aren't "aimlessly passing the ball around" or continuing to run a play that isn't working for several minutes straight?!
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Post#697 » by WTNRaps » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:11 am

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Post#699 » by traps#10 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:12 am

No lead is safe when Casey is in charge. Always calling timeouts 1-2 possessions too slow.
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Re: PG: derozan will never learn 

Post#700 » by Kabookalu » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:12 am

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Red_Claw wrote:Derozan took the same amount of shots as the rest of the starters combined.........Take a look in the mirror if you don't believe hes the problem


DeMar was a problem, so as all the other pussies on the team that passed up shots that would rather watch DeMar ISO so they wouldn't have to try and score.


I feel like the only player to pass up shots they absolutely should've taken at any impressionable quantity was Delon. I yelled at the screen one time and I don't really do that when watching a game lol.

I think setting up better in-rhythm shots means DD and KL have to execute quicker off the screen rather than just use a screen to catch the ball and dribble for a decent amount of time. If they don't, they can get caught up in getting their own shots as the defense is well established rather than moving out of position. Also, it's just a flat out fact DD missed too many rollers in the first half.


I don't know if there's a video of it but there was a play I distinctly remember where Poeltl was semi open on a pass from DeMar near the elbow. Gortat had his head turned, Poeltl just needed to attack. Instead he dribbles it back out and finds DeMar again for a reset. Inexcusable.




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