Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released)

[casual_raps_fan]

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Based on who may be available in our draft range, he is my top pick.

Immediately he can play a McCaw role but with way better ball handling and playmaking. (high floor)

If he meets his potential, he is a dynamic playmaker with versatile defence. His offensive role and position would fit perfectly next to Fred, OG, Siakam. (high ceiling)

He reminds me of Rudy Fernandez with the sweet passing and athleticism, with longer arms. With Powell and TD and the talent looking fairly even in this draft, I think they should get a big.

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Ya that’s a good comparison. He projects as a better defender but I can definitely see the offensive similarities.


I think that’s fair going for a big. Eventually the raptors will have to get another ball handler though. Lowry is going to keep getting older and we will need more help in that department eventually. If there is a good one available (Dotson, bolmaro, Riller), I can see the raptors picking one.


I don’t particularly love the bigs that might be available but out of the guys we’ve talked about in this thread, I like Reed the most. I think his floor should be a serviceable 4th big and his ceiling is an all around starter. His role would be a utility 4 who can play some small ball center, run the floor, make open jumpers, simple drives, some versatile front court defense. there’s a lot of things for him to refine which makes me think he has quite a bit of potential.

[Sir-Swish-A-Lot]

Can we stop responding to the Elleby propaganda posts?

It's Russian Bots, paid for by the Kremlin.

Nope, I am not a Russian bot, buddy. People often try to joke their way out of something when they can't logically refute said particulars due to lack of intelligence concerning the matter at hand.

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[casual_raps_fan]

I don't see it with Elleby, his appeal at the next level would be primarily as a shooter and he did not shoot particularly well

He's taller than Terry but don't see any reason to buy his defense as above average. Terry shot better from everywhere on the field and had a higher creation load (USG%+AST%) on a superior offense w/ a superior handle and AST/TO ratio.

His game is far better rounded than Terry though. Terry doesn't have the ball handling that you would expect from a player his size AND you're probably going to have to hide him on defence. Elleby's ball handling is fine for a player his size/position and he has good steal block statistics along with decent size which gives him potential to be an above average defender.

I have interest in Terry but I'm having a hard time seeing him contributing enough on offence to makeup for what he doesn't bring.

[casual_raps_fan]

does mccaw have any trade value?

Doubt it maybe a deep second at best

Related to a thought I've had for awhile now but I'm wondering if the Raptors are preparing to cash in on Norm. He's ready to get a starting gig somewhere and will be expiring 2021. Anybody have any idea on who might be interested and what his value might be?

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I don't see it with Elleby, his appeal at the next level would be primarily as a shooter and he did not shoot particularly well

He's taller than Terry but don't see any reason to buy his defense as above average. Terry shot better from everywhere on the field and had a higher creation load (USG%+AST%) on a superior offense w/ a superior handle and AST/TO ratio.

His game is far better rounded than Terry though. Terry doesn't have the ball handling that you would expect from a player his size AND you're probably going to have to hide him on defence. Elleby's ball handling is fine for a player his size/position and he has good steal block statistics along with decent size which gives him potential to be an above average defender.

I have interest in Terry but I'm having a hard time seeing him contributing enough on offence to makeup for what he doesn't bring.

Terry is close to Stephen Curry at Davidson. If he would've stayed for his sophomore season he'd be putting up over 20 ppg in a stronger conference.

does mccaw have any trade value?

Doubt it maybe a deep second at best

Related to a thought I've had for awhile now but I'm wondering if the Raptors are preparing to cash in on Norm. He's ready to get a starting gig somewhere and will be expiring 2021. Anybody have any idea on who might be interested and what his value might be?

Raptors put all the time in development into Norm and loyalty. He'll be able to start at SG and be better defensively and 75% cheaper than say Donovan Mitchell.

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I see potentially TDII 2.0. He's doing this all at 18 years old. He still doesn't turn 19 until June 9! TD is turning 23 in 3 weeks. Having him in our system, he should easily fix his FT shooting to at least 75%.

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[Karanpal]

I don't see it with Elleby, his appeal at the next level would be primarily as a shooter and he did not shoot particularly well

He's taller than Terry but don't see any reason to buy his defense as above average. Terry shot better from everywhere on the field and had a higher creation load (USG%+AST%) on a superior offense w/ a superior handle and AST/TO ratio.

His game is far better rounded than Terry though. Terry doesn't have the ball handling that you would expect from a player his size AND you're probably going to have to hide him on defence. Elleby's ball handling is fine for a player his size/position and he has good steal block statistics along with decent size which gives him potential to be an above average defender.

I have interest in Terry but I'm having a hard time seeing him contributing enough on offence to makeup for what he doesn't bring.

Terry is close to Stephen Curry at Davidson. If he would've stayed for his sophomore season he'd be putting up over 20 ppg in a stronger conference.

Doubt it maybe a deep second at best

Related to a thought I've had for awhile now but I'm wondering if the Raptors are preparing to cash in on Norm. He's ready to get a starting gig somewhere and will be expiring 2021. Anybody have any idea on who might be interested and what his value might be?

Raptors put all the time in development into Norm and loyalty. He'll be able to start at SG and be better defensively and 75% cheaper than say Donovan Mitchell.

The thing is norm has a player option in 2021 and if he keeps playing like he did this season then he's going to be looking for a payday. If we are going all on on 2021 then I dont think we can retain norm and sign another free agent.

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His game is far better rounded than Terry though. Terry doesn't have the ball handling that you would expect from a player his size AND you're probably going to have to hide him on defence. Elleby's ball handling is fine for a player his size/position and he has good steal block statistics along with decent size which gives him potential to be an above average defender.

I have interest in Terry but I'm having a hard time seeing him contributing enough on offence to makeup for what he doesn't bring.

Terry is close to Stephen Curry at Davidson. If he would've stayed for his sophomore season he'd be putting up over 20 ppg in a stronger conference.

Related to a thought I've had for awhile now but I'm wondering if the Raptors are preparing to cash in on Norm. He's ready to get a starting gig somewhere and will be expiring 2021. Anybody have any idea on who might be interested and what his value might be?

Raptors put all the time in development into Norm and loyalty. He'll be able to start at SG and be better defensively and 75% cheaper than say Donovan Mitchell.

The thing is norm has a player option in 2021 and if he keeps playing like he did this season then he's going to be looking for a payday. If we are going all on on 2021 then I dont think we can retain norm and sign another free agent.

We would have some sort of rights to offer him a contract over the cap. Hopefully it's conveyed to him that they have to focus on Giannis first. After that's settled, can offer him something. Let's hope Giannis doesn't pull a Kawhi and milk it.

[Mark_83]

Can we stop responding to the Elleby propaganda posts?

It's Russian Bots, paid for by the Kremlin.

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[HeadtopChunes]

His game is far better rounded than Terry though. Terry doesn't have the ball handling that you would expect from a player his size AND you're probably going to have to hide him on defence. Elleby's ball handling is fine for a player his size/position and he has good steal block statistics along with decent size which gives him potential to be an above average defender.

I have interest in Terry but I'm having a hard time seeing him contributing enough on offence to makeup for what he doesn't bring.

Well, I think a handle is one of the easier things to improve and Terry already has some solid vision/passing skills. I doubt he's ever a true point but I think he can bring value as a combo. I like Terry as a college defender, but he will definitely be a NBA negative until he can put on some strength. Given the potentially elite shooting, okay ball-handling, and potential to be a net 0 defender in a couple of years I like what Terry can become as a high-end rotation player.

Like I mentioned earlier with Elleby, jack of all trades college types don't tend to translate well on to NBA teams. His best skill is shooting but he didn't do that well and nothing else about his game stands out to me, so what's the point in playing him if he doesn't make a meaningful impact on either side of the court? Even if Terry is a negative defender in the NBA, he can at least provide significant offensive impact. For example, Seth Curry was 54th in the league in OPIPM this year, ahead of guys like Lou Will, Joel Embiid, Derozan etc.) It's not sexy but there's definitely value to that type of player.

[HeadtopChunes]

does mccaw have any trade value?

Doubt it maybe a deep second at best

Related to a thought I've had for awhile now but I'm wondering if the Raptors are preparing to cash in on Norm. He's ready to get a starting gig somewhere and will be expiring 2021. Anybody have any idea on who might be interested and what his value might be?

After his season he should be able to net us a pretty high pick (maybe top 15ish), would consider trading him if someone like Tyrese Maxey falls into that range. New Orleans stands out to me as a potential trade partner.

I don't think that we do move him though although it would make sense if they don't plant to resign him in 21. Might hinge on what happens with Vanvleet.

[LoveMyRaps]

Andrew Nembhard just declared for the draft.
He'll still be maintaining his college eligibility in case he goes undrafted. (I believe the same thing happened last year)
I didn't like what I saw from him this season, but MAYYYBEE Nurse gets Masai to draft him in the second round?

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Andrew Nembhard just declared for the draft.
He'll still be maintaining his college eligibility in case he goes undrafted. (I believe the same thing happened last year)
I didn't like what I saw from him this season, but MAYYYBEE Nurse gets Masai to draft him in the second round?

I think he should stay in college honestly, coming out now would be a mistake for him

[Indeed]

NBADraft.net currently has CJ at #37 overall and had him as a late 1st rounder before that. CJ's defense isn't iffy. That is just one area that NBA personnel told him to improve on last year and he did this season. CJ led the Pac-12 in total steals (56)/steals per game (1.8) as I mentioned above and was second in the Pac-12 in points per game (19 ppg) while leading his team in rebounds per game (7.8) as a SF/SG.

So CJ's numbers do show a lot you just have to look at them with open eyes. He's not just a shooter but an all around offensive player that can score at all three levels and create for others plus he plays hard at both ends of the court. He is a two way player.

Whoever the Raptors draft at #28 most likely isn't going to crack their rotation as a rookie. CJ is only 19 years old and is only going to get better as he matures being that he is a gym rat that eats, sleeps and breathes basketball. Earl Watson & Klay Thompson are 2 indivduals that know NBA talent and what it takes to be a NBA player- both say that CJ is NBA ready...word is bond.

NBADraft.net is really not something you want to reference with.
Tankathon, The Stepien, nbascoutinglive.com, nbadraftroom.com all have much more extensive scouting report for their draft rank.

That's your opinion which I disagree with. NBADraft.net is a legit site just as legit as the other sites that you mentioned. So you stick to what you know and I'll do the same, pal.

It is more about the accuracy with the draft result years after years. There was site comparing between websites after players were drafted.

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Andrew Nembhard just declared for the draft.
He'll still be maintaining his college eligibility in case he goes undrafted. (I believe the same thing happened last year)
I didn't like what I saw from him this season, but MAYYYBEE Nurse gets Masai to draft him in the second round?

I think he should stay in college honestly, coming out now would be a mistake for him

I think this would be one of the weakest draft, even though many PG/SG in this draft.
Even he is undrafted, not surprised he will get invite and may have a chance to play for G-League teams, particularly teams don't want to sign players in the long term, perhaps he can find a spot this year instead of next. I am not surprised next year will be more stacked, and the year after with high school prospects would be even harder to get drafted.

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[HeadtopChunes]

Andrew Nembhard just declared for the draft.
He'll still be maintaining his college eligibility in case he goes undrafted. (I believe the same thing happened last year)
I didn't like what I saw from him this season, but MAYYYBEE Nurse gets Masai to draft him in the second round?

I think he should stay in college honestly, coming out now would be a mistake for him

I think this would be one of the weakest draft, even though many PG/SG in this draft.
Even he is undrafted, not surprised he will get invite and may have a chance to play for G-League teams, particularly teams don't want to sign players in the long term, perhaps he can find a spot this year instead of next. I am not surprised next year will be more stacked, and the year after with high school prospects would be even harder to get drafted.

I don’t see him getting drafted this year after his disappointing season.There might be 20+ gaurds better than him this year. It would probably end up like Wigginton where he plays summer league and then ends up in the gleague.

Better chance of being drafted next year, where there are less gaurds projected to be drafted and his college team will be better. He needs to show significant improvement as well of course

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I think he should stay in college honestly, coming out now would be a mistake for him

I think this would be one of the weakest draft, even though many PG/SG in this draft.
Even he is undrafted, not surprised he will get invite and may have a chance to play for G-League teams, particularly teams don't want to sign players in the long term, perhaps he can find a spot this year instead of next. I am not surprised next year will be more stacked, and the year after with high school prospects would be even harder to get drafted.

I don’t see him getting drafted this year after his disappointing season.There might be 20+ gaurds better than him this year. It would probably end up like Wigginton where he plays summer league and then ends up in the gleague.

Better chance of being drafted next year, where there are less gaurds projected to be drafted and his college team will be better. He needs to show significant improvement as well of course

Again, he will be undrafted this year, and he will be undrafted next year. I believe it would be a strong class next year due to the next next year having high school prospects. And teams drafted a PG this year will probably not draft another PG next year, so it is more than next year having less PG. This year there will be more roster spots.

[Sir-Swish-A-Lot]

NBADraft.net is really not something you want to reference with.
Tankathon, The Stepien, nbascoutinglive.com, nbadraftroom.com all have much more extensive scouting report for their draft rank.

That's your opinion which I disagree with. NBADraft.net is a legit site just as legit as the other sites that you mentioned. So you stick to what you know and I'll do the same, pal.

It is more about the accuracy with the draft result years after years. There was site comparing between websites after players were drafted.

Fair enough. The sites you listed have drawbacks as well.

Tankathon has Tyrell Terry (Stanford) & Tyler Bey (Colorado) projected in the first round while CJ Elleby (Washington State) is better than both of those players.

The Stepien and NBAScoutingLive don't even have a 2020 mock draft up.

NBADraftRoom doesn't even have certified first round pick Isaiah Stewart (Washington) listed as a first round pick, they have him projected as a second round pick.

My go to NBADraft sites are: NBADraft.net (who has projections and analysis for NBA drafts 2 years in advance) and DraftExpress. Draft Express just recently sold out to ESPN. I would be interesting in looking at that site you mentioned that compares NBA draft sites if you have a link to it. Peace

[HeadtopChunes]

I think this would be one of the weakest draft, even though many PG/SG in this draft.
Even he is undrafted, not surprised he will get invite and may have a chance to play for G-League teams, particularly teams don't want to sign players in the long term, perhaps he can find a spot this year instead of next. I am not surprised next year will be more stacked, and the year after with high school prospects would be even harder to get drafted.

I don’t see him getting drafted this year after his disappointing season.There might be 20+ gaurds better than him this year. It would probably end up like Wigginton where he plays summer league and then ends up in the gleague.

Better chance of being drafted next year, where there are less gaurds projected to be drafted and his college team will be better. He needs to show significant improvement as well of course

Again, he will be undrafted this year, and he will be undrafted next year. I believe it would be a strong class next year due to the next next year having high school prospects. And teams drafted a PG this year will probably not draft another PG next year, so it is more than next year having less PG. This year there will be more roster spots.

I can understand that, but again he wasn't very good this year. I don't think he'd get a roster spot this year is my point there will always be a surplus of guards but he really doesn't stand out at all this year. He's probably not an NBA player anyway but as far as maximizing his chances, IMO testing the waters and attempting to improve in college is better than being undrafted and forgotten in the gleague.