Portland #3 trade rumors part 2

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[Yeezus_]

Pascal and Dame would be a pretty good 1-2 punch. They would need a third guy on the wing though.

[Yeezus_]

These guys have no idea what Dame actually wants tbh

[ArthurVandelay]

Pascal and Dame would be a pretty good 1-2 punch. They would need a third guy on the wing though.

They already have that in Grant. 20ppg and hitting 40% of 3s, 60.6 TS%.

[gbball]

Interesting article. Good break down of lottery pick trades and the post-trade results. Article begins noting Dame led the league in offensive estimated BPM of 8.1 per 100.





I disagree Portland can't add 2 stars. To do it they need to unlock their draft picks and let go of Sharpe but Sharpe and 3 can't be in the same deal.







https://www.theringer.com/nba-draft/2023/6/20/23766680/portland-trail-blazers-2023-draft-dilemma-3-pick-trade-damian-lillard-scoot-henderson-brandon-miller

Siakam is as sure a thing as the Blazers can get. I personally wouldn't want to give him up unless its for another sure thing. No one at 3 is that. Sharpe is pretty close.

Portland is in a tough spot, because giving up Sharpe would hurt unless they win a chip. But if they don't do a deal, they probably don't come any closer.

They need to do 2 trades. A Sharp package and a number 3 package. They should try to get Siakam and maybe a guy like Okongwu or Capela from Atlanta. Get Dame to the playoffs with a good supporting cast and solid defense and you have a chance.

They're not going to get a better opportunity.

Better to keep 3 and Sharpe and rebuild.

You don't want to win? You're taking Lillard for granted and underrating Siakam. I like Sharpe a lot, but I saw him fumble some games away down the stretch as the lead guy. Basically the complete opposite of Lillard. I'm sure he gets better, but some guys come through in tight games and some don't. Lillard is one of those guys.

Say Sharpe becomes as good as McGrady, but Scoot's a bust and you still can't get traction in the playoffs. Or they both become good, but it's still not enough. You'd rather that than a chance at a championship? Because that's what you'd have with Lillard and Siakam as your best 2 players.

Lillard, Siakam and whatever else you can get, plus the vets you have can compete with any team.

Philadelphia should have traded for Lowry, they didn't and their window with Simmons closed.

When you have a chance to go all in, you don't get gun shy. You'll never win that way.

Mark my words. Siakam is due for his best season ever. And he's just about to enter the best stretch of his career. He lives in the gym and is constantly finding ways to get better. His reasons for playing are more significant than most players - as he plays for his father who passed away.

I don't want to trade Siakam personally, and I'd be mad if we did for anyone other than for the possibility of a Canadian star in Shaedon. But, I would be happy to see him paired with Lillard who I also like and see them have a chance to contend and potentially win a chip. He's leagues better than he was in 2019 and he's likely to take another step this summer and likely for the next few years too.

It would change everything for your team in a good way, but it would come at a cost.

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[manjusaka]

I kinda feel the Blazers are already underwent the rebuilding process even with Dame in the lineup. Simons, Keon Johnson, Sharpe, and #3 are pieces that they can build on for the future. I suspected they are more likely to trade away Dame, not the #3 pick.

[JRoy]

Siakam is as sure a thing as the Blazers can get. I personally wouldn't want to give him up unless its for another sure thing. No one at 3 is that. Sharpe is pretty close.

Portland is in a tough spot, because giving up Sharpe would hurt unless they win a chip. But if they don't do a deal, they probably don't come any closer.

They need to do 2 trades. A Sharp package and a number 3 package. They should try to get Siakam and maybe a guy like Okongwu or Capela from Atlanta. Get Dame to the playoffs with a good supporting cast and solid defense and you have a chance.

They're not going to get a better opportunity.

Better to keep 3 and Sharpe and rebuild.

You don't want to win? You're taking Lillard for granted and underrating Siakam. I like Sharpe a lot, but I saw him fumble some games away down the stretch as the lead guy. Basically the complete opposite of Lillard. I'm sure he gets better, but some guys come through in tight games and some don't. Lillard is one of those guys.

Say Sharpe becomes as good as McGrady, but Scoot's a bust and you still can't get traction in the playoffs. Or they both become good, but it's still not enough. You'd rather that than a chance at a championship? Because that's what you'd have with Lillard and Siakam as your best 2 players.

Lillard, Siakam and whatever else you can get, plus the vets you have can compete with any team.

Philadelphia should have traded for Lowry, they didn't and their window with Simmons closed.

When you have a chance to go all in, you don't get gun shy. You'll never win that way.

Mark my words. Siakam is due for his best season ever. And he's just about to enter the best stretch of his career. He lives in the gym and is constantly finding ways to get better. His reasons for playing are more significant than most players - as he plays for his father who passed away.

I don't want to trade Siakam personally, and I'd be mad if we did for anyone other than for the possibility of a Canadian star in Shaedon. But, I would be happy to see him paired with Lillard who I also like and see them have a chance to contend and potentially win a chip. He's leagues better than he was in 2019 and he's likely to take another step this summer and likely for the next few years too.

It would change everything for your team in a good way, but it would come at a cost.

I want my team to succeed.

I don’t any of the TOR deals produce that result.


POR is too flawed and poorly coached.

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Whole time we have been focused on Pascal to Portland...what if he went to NO?


Raptors: Simons, Murphy, Daniels, Little, 2024 1st from NO/Lakers

Pelicans: Siakam, #3 (Scoot)

Portland: Zion, own 2024 1st from Chicago

Chicago: #14 from NO


I think everyone wins there, assuming the Blazers can stomach the Zion risk (fwiw I couldn't).
Raptors add shooting and creation.
Pelicans get Scoot and all-star talent at PF.
Portland gets a star and ability to make subsequent trade with their future picks unlocked.
Chicago gets the first owed in a better position than pick parameters (lottery protected).

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Those eager front offices are eying Blazers All-NBA guard Damian Lillard, with hopes that any outcome of Thursday night’s NBA Draft — where the Blazers own the No. 3 pick — which doesn’t result in a trade for veteran upgrades around Portland’s cornerstone, may result in Lillard requesting a trade from the only franchise he’s ever known. They’re hoping if the Blazers take Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller, it means as much as waving Lillard goodbye.

The reality, though, does not appear so binary. Lillard, by all accounts, prefers to remain with Portland, and the Trail Blazers have not shown any willingness to discuss the seven-time All-Star with inquiring teams, league sources told Yahoo Sports. The Blazers view this entire offseason as their canvas to fortify a contender around Lillard, not just this week’s NBA draft, and free agency will bring additional opportunity to bolster this roster beyond plans to re-sign Jerami Grant. Portland has been exploring avenues to deal the No. 3 pick, but in a draft that scouts have deemed holds three top prospects, the Blazers are strongly valuing their selection in talks with opposing teams, sources said. Portland appears unlikely to part with the No. 3 choice unless the Blazers are netting back one of a select number of premium targets to pair with Lillard. According to one source with knowledge of the situation, Portland is preparing what the team believes to be a compelling package for Miami to part with All-Defensive centerpiece Bam Adebayo.



A switchable, backline anchor such as Adebayo would bring instant improvement to a Portland team that ranked 28th in defensive efficiency during the 2022-23 campaign. Adebayo’s presence and versatility has helped power Miami to two Finals appearances in the past four seasons. He and Lillard played together for Team USA in the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and have developed a close friendship, but the Heat have primarily searched to supplement Adebayo in recent transaction cycles, sources said, and have not pondered a future without him starring in the frontcourt. Miami has targeted additional power forward help ever since the departure of P.J. Tucker last summer in free agency. Adebayo is a team favorite and a key hub of the Heat’s offense. Miami brass seems very unlikely to consider any Portland overture that doesn’t include standout rookie Shaedon Sharpe, in addition to a package of the No. 3 pick and Anfernee Simons that the Blazers, sources said, have made available in discussions with other teams.


If Adebayo ultimately marks someone on the Blazers’ wishlist and nothing more, at least Portland’s pursuit of the two-time All-Star reveals the type of talent it will take for this front office to part with the third selection. The Blazers have been linked by league personnel to both Raptors forwards Pascal Siakam and OG Anunoby, but Portland doesn’t truly covet either Toronto player for the No. 3 selection, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Zach LaVine, the Bulls All-Star guard who flirted with Portland as he reached unrestricted free agency last June, also does not appear to be a legitimate target for the Blazers. For all the speculation about Minnesota sharpshooter Karl-Anthony Towns, there has been no apparent interest from either the Wolves or Blazers, sources said, on deal frameworks surrounding Towns for the third pick. Portland, sources said, is targeting forwards with size at the top echelon of the league’s player hierarchy — someone like Adebayo or Clippers All-Star Paul George.

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Predictable, unless it’s a smokescreen.

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[JRoy]

I kinda feel the Blazers are already underwent the rebuilding process even with Dame in the lineup. Simons, Keon Johnson, Sharpe, and #3 are pieces that they can build on for the future. I suspected they are more likely to trade away Dame, not the #3 pick.

Don’t let anyone fool you into thinking Keon Johnson is anything special. He isn’t.

He’s an undersized guard with great hops, weak playmaking, weak handles, weak shot and weak defense.

He has some tools but he pretty much sucks.

[gbball]

Better to keep 3 and Sharpe and rebuild.

You don't want to win? You're taking Lillard for granted and underrating Siakam. I like Sharpe a lot, but I saw him fumble some games away down the stretch as the lead guy. Basically the complete opposite of Lillard. I'm sure he gets better, but some guys come through in tight games and some don't. Lillard is one of those guys.

Say Sharpe becomes as good as McGrady, but Scoot's a bust and you still can't get traction in the playoffs. Or they both become good, but it's still not enough. You'd rather that than a chance at a championship? Because that's what you'd have with Lillard and Siakam as your best 2 players.

Lillard, Siakam and whatever else you can get, plus the vets you have can compete with any team.

Philadelphia should have traded for Lowry, they didn't and their window with Simmons closed.

When you have a chance to go all in, you don't get gun shy. You'll never win that way.

Mark my words. Siakam is due for his best season ever. And he's just about to enter the best stretch of his career. He lives in the gym and is constantly finding ways to get better. His reasons for playing are more significant than most players - as he plays for his father who passed away.

I don't want to trade Siakam personally, and I'd be mad if we did for anyone other than for the possibility of a Canadian star in Shaedon. But, I would be happy to see him paired with Lillard who I also like and see them have a chance to contend and potentially win a chip. He's leagues better than he was in 2019 and he's likely to take another step this summer and likely for the next few years too.

It would change everything for your team in a good way, but it would come at a cost.

I want my team to succeed.

I don’t any of the TOR deals produce that result.


POR is too flawed and poorly coached.

I agree that an OG deal wouldn't make that much of difference. But, I do think Dame is the perfect pairing for Siakam. Siakam is everything except a consistent shooter and a closer. And I wont be surprised if he improves in those areas too going forward. In all honesty, replace Durant with Siakam on Phoenix last year and they go further in the playoffs...just because he's a better fit on a team with shooting and he does just about everything other than shooting as well as or better than Durant.

If you could somehow get Siakam and Peoltl, your team would be set.

[JRoy]

You don't want to win? You're taking Lillard for granted and underrating Siakam. I like Sharpe a lot, but I saw him fumble some games away down the stretch as the lead guy. Basically the complete opposite of Lillard. I'm sure he gets better, but some guys come through in tight games and some don't. Lillard is one of those guys.

Say Sharpe becomes as good as McGrady, but Scoot's a bust and you still can't get traction in the playoffs. Or they both become good, but it's still not enough. You'd rather that than a chance at a championship? Because that's what you'd have with Lillard and Siakam as your best 2 players.

Lillard, Siakam and whatever else you can get, plus the vets you have can compete with any team.

Philadelphia should have traded for Lowry, they didn't and their window with Simmons closed.

When you have a chance to go all in, you don't get gun shy. You'll never win that way.

Mark my words. Siakam is due for his best season ever. And he's just about to enter the best stretch of his career. He lives in the gym and is constantly finding ways to get better. His reasons for playing are more significant than most players - as he plays for his father who passed away.

I don't want to trade Siakam personally, and I'd be mad if we did for anyone other than for the possibility of a Canadian star in Shaedon. But, I would be happy to see him paired with Lillard who I also like and see them have a chance to contend and potentially win a chip. He's leagues better than he was in 2019 and he's likely to take another step this summer and likely for the next few years too.

It would change everything for your team in a good way, but it would come at a cost.

I want my team to succeed.

I don’t any of the TOR deals produce that result.


POR is too flawed and poorly coached.

I agree that an OG deal wouldn't make that much of difference. But, I do think Dame is the perfect pairing for Siakam. Siakam is everything except a consistent shooter and a closer. And I wont be surprised if he improves in those areas too going forward. In all honesty, replace Durant with Siakam on Phoenix last year and they go further in the playoffs...just because he's a better fit on a team with shooting and he does just about everything other than shooting as well as or better than Durant.

If you could somehow get Siakam and Peoltl, your team would be set.

Serious question:

Do you honestly believe Billups could coach that team to a title?

[Clutch0z24]

Sounds like this deal is dead in the water for us....The report is Blazers do not like the offers they are getting for 3....Prolly means whatever the Raptors already offered is not something Blazers want.....

That being said do the Blazers even want an expiring Siakam or OG? Prolly not....Are they asking for both Siakam/OG? Maybe....Will Scoot even be available at 3? With most teams trying to trade up to 3 wanting Scoot as the player in return but that not being a sure thing...

Zion to Hornets might be a lock if both teams want it....Blazers prolly getting Miller on draft night.

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Those eager front offices are eying Blazers All-NBA guard Damian Lillard, with hopes that any outcome of Thursday night’s NBA Draft — where the Blazers own the No. 3 pick — which doesn’t result in a trade for veteran upgrades around Portland’s cornerstone, may result in Lillard requesting a trade from the only franchise he’s ever known. They’re hoping if the Blazers take Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller, it means as much as waving Lillard goodbye.

The reality, though, does not appear so binary. Lillard, by all accounts, prefers to remain with Portland, and the Trail Blazers have not shown any willingness to discuss the seven-time All-Star with inquiring teams, league sources told Yahoo Sports. The Blazers view this entire offseason as their canvas to fortify a contender around Lillard, not just this week’s NBA draft, and free agency will bring additional opportunity to bolster this roster beyond plans to re-sign Jerami Grant. Portland has been exploring avenues to deal the No. 3 pick, but in a draft that scouts have deemed holds three top prospects, the Blazers are strongly valuing their selection in talks with opposing teams, sources said. Portland appears unlikely to part with the No. 3 choice unless the Blazers are netting back one of a select number of premium targets to pair with Lillard. According to one source with knowledge of the situation, Portland is preparing what the team believes to be a compelling package for Miami to part with All-Defensive centerpiece Bam Adebayo.



A switchable, backline anchor such as Adebayo would bring instant improvement to a Portland team that ranked 28th in defensive efficiency during the 2022-23 campaign. Adebayo’s presence and versatility has helped power Miami to two Finals appearances in the past four seasons. He and Lillard played together for Team USA in the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and have developed a close friendship, but the Heat have primarily searched to supplement Adebayo in recent transaction cycles, sources said, and have not pondered a future without him starring in the frontcourt. Miami has targeted additional power forward help ever since the departure of P.J. Tucker last summer in free agency. Adebayo is a team favorite and a key hub of the Heat’s offense. Miami brass seems very unlikely to consider any Portland overture that doesn’t include standout rookie Shaedon Sharpe, in addition to a package of the No. 3 pick and Anfernee Simons that the Blazers, sources said, have made available in discussions with other teams.


If Adebayo ultimately marks someone on the Blazers’ wishlist and nothing more, at least Portland’s pursuit of the two-time All-Star reveals the type of talent it will take for this front office to part with the third selection. The Blazers have been linked by league personnel to both Raptors forwards Pascal Siakam and OG Anunoby, but Portland doesn’t truly covet either Toronto player for the No. 3 selection, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Zach LaVine, the Bulls All-Star guard who flirted with Portland as he reached unrestricted free agency last June, also does not appear to be a legitimate target for the Blazers. For all the speculation about Minnesota sharpshooter Karl-Anthony Towns, there has been no apparent interest from either the Wolves or Blazers, sources said, on deal frameworks surrounding Towns for the third pick. Portland, sources said, is targeting forwards with size at the top echelon of the league’s player hierarchy — someone like Adebayo or Clippers All-Star Paul George.

JRoy...how long you been a Fischer source?

The Blazers have been linked by league personnel to both Raptors forwards Pascal Siakam and OG Anunoby, but Portland doesn’t truly covet either Toronto player for the No. 3 selection, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

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Those eager front offices are eying Blazers All-NBA guard Damian Lillard, with hopes that any outcome of Thursday night’s NBA Draft — where the Blazers own the No. 3 pick — which doesn’t result in a trade for veteran upgrades around Portland’s cornerstone, may result in Lillard requesting a trade from the only franchise he’s ever known. They’re hoping if the Blazers take Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller, it means as much as waving Lillard goodbye.

The reality, though, does not appear so binary. Lillard, by all accounts, prefers to remain with Portland, and the Trail Blazers have not shown any willingness to discuss the seven-time All-Star with inquiring teams, league sources told Yahoo Sports. The Blazers view this entire offseason as their canvas to fortify a contender around Lillard, not just this week’s NBA draft, and free agency will bring additional opportunity to bolster this roster beyond plans to re-sign Jerami Grant. Portland has been exploring avenues to deal the No. 3 pick, but in a draft that scouts have deemed holds three top prospects, the Blazers are strongly valuing their selection in talks with opposing teams, sources said. Portland appears unlikely to part with the No. 3 choice unless the Blazers are netting back one of a select number of premium targets to pair with Lillard. According to one source with knowledge of the situation, Portland is preparing what the team believes to be a compelling package for Miami to part with All-Defensive centerpiece Bam Adebayo.



A switchable, backline anchor such as Adebayo would bring instant improvement to a Portland team that ranked 28th in defensive efficiency during the 2022-23 campaign. Adebayo’s presence and versatility has helped power Miami to two Finals appearances in the past four seasons. He and Lillard played together for Team USA in the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and have developed a close friendship, but the Heat have primarily searched to supplement Adebayo in recent transaction cycles, sources said, and have not pondered a future without him starring in the frontcourt. Miami has targeted additional power forward help ever since the departure of P.J. Tucker last summer in free agency. Adebayo is a team favorite and a key hub of the Heat’s offense. Miami brass seems very unlikely to consider any Portland overture that doesn’t include standout rookie Shaedon Sharpe, in addition to a package of the No. 3 pick and Anfernee Simons that the Blazers, sources said, have made available in discussions with other teams.


If Adebayo ultimately marks someone on the Blazers’ wishlist and nothing more, at least Portland’s pursuit of the two-time All-Star reveals the type of talent it will take for this front office to part with the third selection. The Blazers have been linked by league personnel to both Raptors forwards Pascal Siakam and OG Anunoby, but Portland doesn’t truly covet either Toronto player for the No. 3 selection, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Zach LaVine, the Bulls All-Star guard who flirted with Portland as he reached unrestricted free agency last June, also does not appear to be a legitimate target for the Blazers. For all the speculation about Minnesota sharpshooter Karl-Anthony Towns, there has been no apparent interest from either the Wolves or Blazers, sources said, on deal frameworks surrounding Towns for the third pick. Portland, sources said, is targeting forwards with size at the top echelon of the league’s player hierarchy — someone like Adebayo or Clippers All-Star Paul George.

JRoy...how long you been a Fischer source?

The Blazers have been linked by league personnel to both Raptors forwards Pascal Siakam and OG Anunoby, but Portland doesn’t truly covet either Toronto player for the No. 3 selection, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Many of the realists on this board have been saying for weeks that an expiring Siakam for 3 is not realistic. It comes down to how much Toronto is willing to add to that to get a deal done. Knowing Masai, it’s not much (if at all), so this means that we probably won’t be trading up. Sucks.

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JRoy...how long you been a Fischer source?

The Blazers have been linked by league personnel to both Raptors forwards Pascal Siakam and OG Anunoby, but Portland doesn’t truly covet either Toronto player for the No. 3 selection, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Many of the realists on this board have been saying for weeks that an expiring Siakam for 3 is not realistic. It comes down to how much Toronto is willing to add to that to get a deal done. Knowing Masai, it’s not much (if at all), so this means that we probably won’t be trading up. Sucks.

Any talk of trading Siakam should always be taken with the expectation of a pre-arranged extension agreement in place. Is it legal? No. Does it happen? Absolutely.

[gbball]

I want my team to succeed.

I don’t any of the TOR deals produce that result.


POR is too flawed and poorly coached.

I agree that an OG deal wouldn't make that much of difference. But, I do think Dame is the perfect pairing for Siakam. Siakam is everything except a consistent shooter and a closer. And I wont be surprised if he improves in those areas too going forward. In all honesty, replace Durant with Siakam on Phoenix last year and they go further in the playoffs...just because he's a better fit on a team with shooting and he does just about everything other than shooting as well as or better than Durant.

If you could somehow get Siakam and Peoltl, your team would be set.

Serious question:

Do you honestly believe Billups could coach that team to a title?

I don't know enough about him to be honest. But he's won before as a player, so he knows what it takes. And I know that coaches look a million times better when they have a bunch of veterans on their team who know they have a chance to win it all.

Plus, you can always change the coach. You'd have a bit of a window to work with. Lillard's age and health would be the constraint, not Siakam; and Dame is still only 32 and relies on shooting...he can play for a good while still so long as he can stay healthy. Siakam is low maintenance and I'm sure he would resign. Nothing that I've seen from him as a Raptors fan would suggest otherwise.

I'm just saying. It'd be bittersweet giving up a player with Sharpe's potential, but imagine what it would be like in Portland if you could win with Dame.

The stars are aligned. What are the odds that the only Canadian team would be willing to move on from their franchise player in Siakam who was basically untouchable last year and the team that would be the best fit has a budding Canadian prospect that might get that deal done. A player, who last year would have only gotten you OG.

[DreamTeam09]

This place is a cesspool of hurt feelings of posters who wanna tank lol.

On the trade board someone had us getting 3 7 10 n keeping 13. lol actually think that you can get

#3 #7 #10 #13 all from the same draft and think Masai is a hackjob because he didn't do that fantasy trade someone made up.... It's the Shiney new project syndrome lol

I'm outta here till draft day,