Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[ArthurVandelay]

He did. Cronin played it. But I dont like giving them 1 team and then saying you wont be professional anywhere else. That's not right in my eyes.

Yeah I’m in a bit of a moral dilemma on this one.

Lol you’re in a bit of a dilemma? You must’ve not been a fan when Vince was here.
Professionalism is a base level expectation from a NBA player.

Been a fan since 95.

Comparing to Vince is a poor example. End result is the same but how they got there is totally different.

Again, Dame got played.

[tecumseh18]

Normally I’d side with team and contract

But in this case, I don’t think Cronin and Co were acting in good faith. They should have been upfront last year or definitely this year that they wanted to go young.

I think Dame got jerked around. That just my opinion.

they gave him a $100 mil 2 year extension 2 years from now when they had zero reason to. they did right by dame financially.

Yup they’ve done right by him his whole career. It’s not unfair to ask Dame to help them so the blazers future isn’t completely tanked.
There’s a lot of other good teams that can offer a decent package. Time for Dame to grow up.

I sure don't feel bad for Portland. They've hit in the lottery in both of the last two drafts. It's not like they held on to a star who dragged them down into the teens in the draft. And while they missed the boat and aren't gonna get a massive haul for the 33-year-old Dame, they'll get some useful long-term assets.

And I don't feel bad for Dame. He should have had the savvy to know that it was never gonna work with him and CJ and especially Norm. He made his bed, and now he's gotta lie in it. Fortunately, the mattress is stuffed with cash.

Mainly, I feel bad for NBA fans. Dame should have been on teams making deep playoff runs in the past several years, showing off his talent. We'll always have the series winner made in PG's face, but there could have been so much more. Jimmy Butler might never win a championship. But at least we got to see him several times on the big stage (never healthy, tho').

[JRoy]

So jroy, what's your prediction for Lillard? I think 2 Miami 1sts, Robinson, and Herro. Maybe a 2nd as well if Riley feels generous.

Edit: our franchise got burnt a couple times by Riley, he might do it again.

He will go where he wants to go. The list of teams may grow but he won’t be exiled.

A 3-4 team trade might be necessary to sweeten that pot. Herro needs to be rerouted somewhere his talents are needed.

The end probably starts at your idea and goes up a bit, but nothing outrageous.

You're being logical about the situation (and I do feel for you, it sucks....that could easily be the Raptors in the same situation).

However all this talk of sending him to Charlotte or Detroit, or letting him sit without pay is just nonsense. We can argue that it should happen, but any of us who follow the NBA closely know it won't. He's a Top 75 player and box-office draw. He is one of a handful of players that people actually pay money to see. There is not a chance in hell the season starts with a star player like that not playing, or sulking on some backwater team.

At some point some team will need to make an example of someone, but it won't be Dame. The sacrificial lamb will have to be a lesser star who tries this next (Jaylen Brown?).

Agreed.

Lillard will end up either in MIA or another team on his list and POR will receive some assets in return. MiAs own assets are pretty scroty, POR does not want Herro, so at least a third team will be needed.

Looking forward to the next iteration of the Blazers.

[NotMyKawhi]

He will go where he wants to go. The list of teams may grow but he won’t be exiled.

A 3-4 team trade might be necessary to sweeten that pot. Herro needs to be rerouted somewhere his talents are needed.

The end probably starts at your idea and goes up a bit, but nothing outrageous.

You're being logical about the situation (and I do feel for you, it sucks....that could easily be the Raptors in the same situation).

However all this talk of sending him to Charlotte or Detroit, or letting him sit without pay is just nonsense. We can argue that it should happen, but any of us who follow the NBA closely know it won't. He's a Top 75 player and box-office draw. He is one of a handful of players that people actually pay money to see. There is not a chance in hell the season starts with a star player like that not playing, or sulking on some backwater team.

At some point some team will need to make an example of someone, but it won't be Dame. The sacrificial lamb will have to be a lesser star who tries this next (Jaylen Brown?).

Agreed.

Lillard will end up either in MIA or another team on his list and POR will receive some assets in return. MiAs own assets are pretty scroty, POR does not want Herro, so at least a third team will be needed.

Looking forward to the next iteration of the Blazers.

So bc the heats assets suck you expect another team to take crappy assets to give you good assets?

[TheGeneral99]

I feel like the Celtics are probably the best fit for Dame and would net the best return for Portland.

I know that Dame wants to go to Miami, but he needs to be smart and get his friendship with Butler out of the equation - Butler is 34 and will start declining fast sooner than later. He likely only has 1 year with Miami to go for it, and if Miami gives up major assets to get him, I doubt that they can get out of the East.

Boston has Tatum who is only 25 and will be great for another 7-8 years. This extends Lillard's window for another 2-4 years before he likely starts declining. Boston would likely have to give up Brown, Pritchard, Robert Williams and a bunch of 1st rounders. The fit of Lillard and Tatum is much better than Tatum and Brown.

[HiJiNX]

I feel like the Celtics are probably the best fit for Dame and would net the best return for Portland.

I know that Dame wants to go to Miami, but he needs to be smart and get his friendship with Butler out of the equation - Butler is 34 and will start declining fast sooner than later. He likely only has 1 year with Miami to go for it, and if Miami gives up major assets to get him, I doubt that they can get out of the East.

Boston has Tatum who is only 25 and will be great for another 7-8 years. This extends Lillard's window for another 2-4 years before he likely starts declining. Boston would likely have to give up Brown, Pritchard, Robert Williams and a bunch of 1st rounders. The fit of Lillard and Tatum is much better than Tatum and Brown.

Tatum and Brown are much more indicative of the type of redundancy fans complain about with Scottie and Pascal. Tatum and Brown really are very similar players with similar strengths and weakness who play from the same areas of the court. I think Celtics need to move Brown for a player of equal value but different play style.

[PhilBlackson]

I feel like the Celtics are probably the best fit for Dame and would net the best return for Portland.

I know that Dame wants to go to Miami, but he needs to be smart and get his friendship with Butler out of the equation - Butler is 34 and will start declining fast sooner than later. He likely only has 1 year with Miami to go for it, and if Miami gives up major assets to get him, I doubt that they can get out of the East.

Boston has Tatum who is only 25 and will be great for another 7-8 years. This extends Lillard's window for another 2-4 years before he likely starts declining. Boston would likely have to give up Brown, Pritchard, Robert Williams and a bunch of 1st rounders. The fit of Lillard and Tatum is much better than Tatum and Brown.

His DEMAND that he goes to ONLY to Miami just shows Dame is actually a liar/hypocrite.

I had no issues with him asking out of POR, that's fine when it's on the basis that he's leaving because "he wants to win".

But both BOS (in particular) & PHI offer him that same opportunity, so clearly this isn't just about wanting to win. It's wanting to have everything his little heart desires lol -- a chance to win AND existing relationships AND a beautiful location (which I think is the part he doesn't want to admit because then he's just another player that wants to force himself to a MARKET of his choice). Dame wants his cake & to eat it too and sadly most of the media is pandering to that and making him feel he's entitled to it. Like POR "owes" him, they don't owe him sh*t other than to treat him respectfully and if you want to talk about the long relationship -- that's a TWO WAY street.

The media is even promoting this bs of "the league is watching how Dame is treated" lol like they need to gtfoh with that. They've paid this dude a fortune for something HE signed up for and it's not like they're threatening to send him to play for WAS lol...they are actually doing by right by him by given him what he said he wanted at it's core "a chance to win" --- he suddenly added in well I want a place were all my friends are...ohhh and it has to be beautiful there too lol. Like shut up Dame & media, they don't owe him giving him every last detail and demand, he's not rubbing a genie lamp lol this is business and they're trying to be FAIR about it.

If I'm them, I'm sending him to BOS (assuming Brown would sign a massive extension) end of story. POR gets a player they'd want and fits -- Dame gets his shot(s) at a championship(s) and I don't see how media could make an intelligent argument of how POR would've supposedly done him wrong.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Pointgod]

He’ll end up in Miami for 2 picks, 2 swaps, some young guys and whatever assets they get from trading Herro to a third team.

[Raps Next GM]

He’ll end up in Miami for 2 picks, 2 swaps, some young guys and whatever assets they get from trading Herro to a third team.

I shrugged my shoulders and figured he wants Miami, he’ll get Miami.
But I think he erred in the “Miami only” stance. He’s laid down a challenge that frankly Portland doesn’t need to engage in.
I suspect the Blazers will let him waste until he gives them more options. He could very well still go to Miami, but only after the Heat have improved their offers when they’re competing against other suitors. The fact Miami is refusing to include Caleb Martin tells you how confident they are that he’s theirs.

[alpngso]

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Lol they really holding this up with whether to include Martin in or not? He was good in the playoffs but come on

[Asif16]

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Lol they really holding this up with whether to include Martin in or not? He was good in the playoffs but come on

I highly doubt thats the main reason or holdup.

Its obvious that the main holdup is that Portland wants nothing to do with either Tyler Herro or Ben Simmons. Herro is just an abysmal fit with the young core guards they already have. OG Anunoby is a far better fit. Someone who's a defense first type player

Scoot Henderson / Shaedon
Anfernee Simons / Shaedon
OG Anunoby
Jeremi Grant
Yusuf Nurkic

[Pointgod]

He’ll end up in Miami for 2 picks, 2 swaps, some young guys and whatever assets they get from trading Herro to a third team.

I shrugged my shoulders and figured he wants Miami, he’ll get Miami.
But I think he erred in the “Miami only” stance. He’s laid down a challenge that frankly Portland doesn’t need to engage in.
I suspect the Blazers will let him waste until he gives them more options. He could very well still go to Miami, but only after the Heat have improved their offers when they’re competing against other suitors. The fact Miami is refusing to include Caleb Martin tells you how confident they are that he’s theirs.

I have no problem with him preferring Miami. It’s a preference maybe he gets his wish maybe he doesn’t. Portland can trade him wherever but the problem is that there aren’t a ton of competing teams out there with assets that can absorb Dames contract. I don’t believe Caleb Martin should be a deal breaker for Portland but Miami can make a strong offer.

[Raps Next GM]

He’ll end up in Miami for 2 picks, 2 swaps, some young guys and whatever assets they get from trading Herro to a third team.

I shrugged my shoulders and figured he wants Miami, he’ll get Miami.
But I think he erred in the “Miami only” stance. He’s laid down a challenge that frankly Portland doesn’t need to engage in.
I suspect the Blazers will let him waste until he gives them more options. He could very well still go to Miami, but only after the Heat have improved their offers when they’re competing against other suitors. The fact Miami is refusing to include Caleb Martin tells you how confident they are that he’s theirs.

I have no problem with him preferring Miami. It’s a preference maybe he gets his wish maybe he doesn’t. Portland can trade him wherever but the problem is that there aren’t a ton of competing teams out there with assets that can absorb Dames contract. I don’t believe Caleb Martin should be a deal breaker for Portland but Miami can make a strong offer.

Agree, I just mean the arrogance of the Heat that Martin is even remotely a sticking point just shows how they’re taking advantage of this Miami-only insistence, which is just bad for the league.

Martin would be a non-factor in discussions if Miami has to worry that Dame’s going to Boston, Philly or Brooklyn (or Toronto even) but as the only one bidding, they’re trying to nickel and dime their offer.

[StopitLeo]

I feel like the Celtics are probably the best fit for Dame and would net the best return for Portland.

I know that Dame wants to go to Miami, but he needs to be smart and get his friendship with Butler out of the equation - Butler is 34 and will start declining fast sooner than later. He likely only has 1 year with Miami to go for it, and if Miami gives up major assets to get him, I doubt that they can get out of the East.

Boston has Tatum who is only 25 and will be great for another 7-8 years. This extends Lillard's window for another 2-4 years before he likely starts declining. Boston would likely have to give up Brown, Pritchard, Robert Williams and a bunch of 1st rounders. The fit of Lillard and Tatum is much better than Tatum and Brown.

Tatum and Brown are much more indicative of the type of redundancy fans complain about with Scottie and Pascal. Tatum and Brown really are very similar players with similar strengths and weakness who play from the same areas of the court. I think Celtics need to move Brown for a player of equal value but different play style.

If they weren’t in the same division the Raptors and Celtics should just swap Siakam and Brown.

[Scizzup]

I feel like the Celtics are probably the best fit for Dame and would net the best return for Portland.

I know that Dame wants to go to Miami, but he needs to be smart and get his friendship with Butler out of the equation - Butler is 34 and will start declining fast sooner than later. He likely only has 1 year with Miami to go for it, and if Miami gives up major assets to get him, I doubt that they can get out of the East.

Boston has Tatum who is only 25 and will be great for another 7-8 years. This extends Lillard's window for another 2-4 years before he likely starts declining. Boston would likely have to give up Brown, Pritchard, Robert Williams and a bunch of 1st rounders. The fit of Lillard and Tatum is much better than Tatum and Brown.

Tatum and Brown are much more indicative of the type of redundancy fans complain about with Scottie and Pascal. Tatum and Brown really are very similar players with similar strengths and weakness who play from the same areas of the court. I think Celtics need to move Brown for a player of equal value but different play style.

If they weren’t in the same division the Raptors and Celtics should just swap Siakam and Brown.

This would be a good trade for both sides even if same division but I think Brown for some reason has more cache than Pascal around league. Maybe it's him being younger or because he fits more of the mold of a "2 way wing". although this year playoffs might have lowered that.

Jaylen could be in a near 1:1 trade for Dame/KD. Bos wanted KD for Jaylen/White a 1st and 2nd. Nets wanted Smart also, only reason he is not a Celtic. I am pretty sure Jaylen and 2 first would get Dame since they need White now.

[hyper316]

Is Lillard the Kawhi-type of deal to be made to ship out the beloved Barnes + fillers?

Lillard/Schroder
Trent/Dick
OG/Mcdaniels
Siakam/achiuwa
Poeltl/koloko

If MLSE willing to pay the luxury tax for the next 3 years, extend OG and Siakam and contend

[OakleyDokely]

To Portland: Towns
To Miami: Lillard
To Minnesota: Herro, Robinson, Martin, (2) MIA 1sts, (2) MIA swap

[HumbleRen]

I feel like the Celtics are probably the best fit for Dame and would net the best return for Portland.

I know that Dame wants to go to Miami, but he needs to be smart and get his friendship with Butler out of the equation - Butler is 34 and will start declining fast sooner than later. He likely only has 1 year with Miami to go for it, and if Miami gives up major assets to get him, I doubt that they can get out of the East.

Boston has Tatum who is only 25 and will be great for another 7-8 years. This extends Lillard's window for another 2-4 years before he likely starts declining. Boston would likely have to give up Brown, Pritchard, Robert Williams and a bunch of 1st rounders. The fit of Lillard and Tatum is much better than Tatum and Brown.

Tatum and Brown are much more indicative of the type of redundancy fans complain about with Scottie and Pascal. Tatum and Brown really are very similar players with similar strengths and weakness who play from the same areas of the court. I think Celtics need to move Brown for a player of equal value but different play style.

While I agree to an extent about redundancy. It's not the same thing at all lol.

JB and Tatum can actually space for each other to let the other cook in their preferred spots.

Siakam and Scottie can't do that at all.

JB and Tatum are also not at their primes yet, they're suffering from success at being so good at such a young age. I'd be hesitant to break them up if I'm Brad Stevens. Dame might sway me to do it though.

[WuTang_CMB]

To Portland: Towns
To Miami: Lillard
To Minnesota: Herro, Robinson, Martin, (2) MIA 1sts, (2) MIA swap

No ones touching that Towns contract especially POR. They want young players