Official Immanuel Quickley Thread

[Tripod]

Wish we could find a few more disappointments averaging 17-6-5 and 44% on 3's.

I think it's fair to say that he's had a couple of rough games recently and that he has a lot of room for growth. The issue is that people thought we were getting Tyrese Maxey 2.0, and for all of his positives Immanuel is not Tyrese.

No one has Maxey's speed so for sure it's not fair to IQ. Not to mention, his last name comes with expectations...lol.

But when you look at Maxeys stats, when he was taking the same amount of FA as IQ is with us, both are 17 point guys. But the last 2 year Maxey has gone from 13.3, to 15.2, to now 19.7. THAT'S the part we need to get IQ to.

And fwiw, I am a Flyers fan(sadly) so talk a lot with Flyers/76ers fans. And I can tell you the last few years they have wanted Maxey to be a better playmaker and realize that with Harden gone, it gave him the ball, way more. And he had lots of games where he struggled but it was part of development.

If we get IQ to 19+ FGA per game, he will get tons of praise because he will be a 23+ point guy. But hey, so far he has yet to play with a starting C with us and I would much rather his jump happen next year after he signs his deal than happen now and increase his cap hit...lol.

People forget, his fg% overall is lower because his 2poijt numbers are way down. And they are down due to missing some easy ones that history says he will make over time. Plus, with no C playing for us, opponents C's are contesting them more vs when you have Yak blocking guys out. Oh, and in pnr situations, Yak can be a dump off option that IQ and others have not had. People don't realize how much Yak can help this team in ways that don't show on the stat sheet.

[anotherhomer]

Wish we could find a few more disappointments averaging 17-6-5 and 44% on 3's.

I think it's fair to say that he's had a couple of rough games recently and that he has a lot of room for growth. The issue is that people thought we were getting Tyrese Maxey 2.0, and for all of his positives Immanuel is not Tyrese.

No one has Maxey's speed so for sure it's not fair to IQ. Not to mention, his last name comes with expectations...lol.

But when you look at Maxeys stats, when he was taking the same amount of FA as IQ is with us, both are 17 point guys. But the last 2 year Maxey has gone from 13.3, to 15.2, to now 19.7. THAT'S the part we need to get IQ to.

And fwiw, I am a Flyers fan(sadly) so talk a lot with Flyers/76ers fans. And I can tell you the last few years they have wanted Maxey to be a better playmaker and realize that with Harden gone, it gave him the ball, way more. And he had lots of games where he struggled but it was part of development.

If we get IQ to 19+ FGA per game, he will get tons of praise because he will be a 23+ point guy. But hey, so far he has yet to play with a starting C with us and I would much rather his jump happen next year after he signs his deal than happen now and increase his cap hit...lol.

People forget, his fg% overall is lower because his 2poijt numbers are way down. And they are down due to missing some easy ones that history says he will make over time. Plus, with no C playing for us, opponents C's are contesting them more vs when you have Yak blocking guys out. Oh, and in pnr situations, Yak can be a dump off option that IQ and others have not had. People don't realize how much Yak can help this team in ways that don't show on the stat sheet.

i think IQ will be a 18 point /5 assist guy with about 2-3 pointers a game made....
is solid mid-range starter numbers which isn't bad

[realball]

If that's how you feel then your expectations were highly unrealistic in the first place.

IQ is learning a new role as the starting pg. In New York, he was mainly asked to be a scorer off the bench and now he's asked to get everyone involved in the offense and make plays for others.

RJ has started his whole career and this role is not drastically different than how he usually plays but he's being asked to limit his low percentage shots.

The expectations were for him to be a reliable starter. That's not an unrealistic demand for 4th year player who has had some big games as a starter before, and is expecting a big contract in the off-season.

If RJ can come into a bigger role and improve, I think expecting the same from Quickley is a tall ask.

He has been a pretty reliable starter so far.

Not everyone scores 20ppg. 17/6 for a guy who is starting for the first time in his career is pretty damn good.

I think your expectations are out of whack.

Not everyone scores 20 ppg, but you would think a player, known for being a scorer, averaging 15 ppg in 24 mins before the trade, would hit 20 ppg in 32 mins. And it's not like 20 ppg is benchmark... if he was scoring 17 ppg efficiently, this wouldn't be an issue. Your expectations are too low.

[Tripod]

The expectations were for him to be a reliable starter. That's not an unrealistic demand for 4th year player who has had some big games as a starter before, and is expecting a big contract in the off-season.

If RJ can come into a bigger role and improve, I think expecting the same from Quickley is a tall ask.

He has been a pretty reliable starter so far.

Not everyone scores 20ppg. 17/6 for a guy who is starting for the first time in his career is pretty damn good.

I think your expectations are out of whack.

Not everyone scores 20 ppg, but you would think a player, known for being a scorer, averaging 15 ppg in 24 mins before the trade, would hit 20 ppg in 32 mins. And it's not like 20 ppg is benchmark... if he was scoring 17 ppg efficiently, this wouldn't be an issue. Your expectations are too low.

But you are ignoring that he isn't being asked just to score like in NY.

He is being asked to also create for other and his assist have gone from 2.5 to 6.1.

So 7 more minutes making 1.5 more baskets and creating 3.5 more baskets....that's directly impacting 10-15 more points in 7 minutes. How is that bad??

And again, that's without a starting level C.

[YogurtProducer]

He has been a pretty reliable starter so far.

Not everyone scores 20ppg. 17/6 for a guy who is starting for the first time in his career is pretty damn good.

I think your expectations are out of whack.

Not everyone scores 20 ppg, but you would think a player, known for being a scorer, averaging 15 ppg in 24 mins before the trade, would hit 20 ppg in 32 mins. And it's not like 20 ppg is benchmark... if he was scoring 17 ppg efficiently, this wouldn't be an issue. Your expectations are too low.

But you are ignoring that he isn't being asked just to score like in NY.

He is being asked to also create for other and his assist have gone from 2.5 to 6.1.

So 7 more minutes making 1.5 more baskets and creating 3.5 more baskets....that's directly impacting 10-15 more points in 7 minutes. How is that bad??

And again, that's without a starting level C.

THANK YOU.

Such a silly way of looking at things to look at just ppg

[Appostis]

We won't get a accurate view of IQ until our starting center is back.


I think he'll end up being a top 10 pg in the league, but that might be his ceiling

[realball]

He has been a pretty reliable starter so far.

Not everyone scores 20ppg. 17/6 for a guy who is starting for the first time in his career is pretty damn good.

I think your expectations are out of whack.

Not everyone scores 20 ppg, but you would think a player, known for being a scorer, averaging 15 ppg in 24 mins before the trade, would hit 20 ppg in 32 mins. And it's not like 20 ppg is benchmark... if he was scoring 17 ppg efficiently, this wouldn't be an issue. Your expectations are too low.

But you are ignoring that he isn't being asked just to score like in NY.

He is being asked to also create for other and his assist have gone from 2.5 to 6.1.

So 7 more minutes making 1.5 more baskets and creating 3.5 more baskets....that's directly impacting 10-15 more points in 7 minutes. How is that bad??

And again, that's without a starting level C.

He's not looking that great as a play-maker though, that's the problem. Barely getting to the rim, not driving and kicking nearly as much as we need, very little in between game. 6 assists is okay, but that's what we're getting out of Schroeder, it's what we got out of Van Vleet. I don't think anyone would accuse those guys of being good play-makers. The offense has looked better with Quickley playing off the ball, which is not great.

If Quickley was signed to decent contract, this wouldn't be a problem. But instead, we'll likely have to give him more than he's worth to stick around.

[gp2015]

Think it's pretty obvious that Darko is trying to make IQ a lead guard. This has taken away IT'S chucking which is actually his best attribute. He's been benched anytime he's gotten shot happy.

Personally, I think the right approach is letting IQ do what he does best BUT also try to add to his game. Limiting his shots for a team that desperately needs his offense isn't smart.

I have not seen this at all. When was he benched for taking too many shots? If anything, he gets benched so Darko can play his chosen one, not from taking too many shots.

In fact Darko said he wants him to take more 3 pointers:

"He's one of the best shooters in the league, above the break. We need him taking more of them. 8, 9, 10 a game."

If you watch any of IQ's interviews, he knows it's part of his job as the lead guard to get others involved, sometimes before looking for his own shots. He's just trying to find a balance between creating for others and getting his own shots. It's part of the learning process.

[Tripod]

Not everyone scores 20 ppg, but you would think a player, known for being a scorer, averaging 15 ppg in 24 mins before the trade, would hit 20 ppg in 32 mins. And it's not like 20 ppg is benchmark... if he was scoring 17 ppg efficiently, this wouldn't be an issue. Your expectations are too low.

But you are ignoring that he isn't being asked just to score like in NY.

He is being asked to also create for other and his assist have gone from 2.5 to 6.1.

So 7 more minutes making 1.5 more baskets and creating 3.5 more baskets....that's directly impacting 10-15 more points in 7 minutes. How is that bad??

And again, that's without a starting level C.

He's not looking that great as a play-maker though, that's the problem. Barely getting to the rim, not driving and kicking nearly as much as we need, very little in between game. 6 assists is okay, but that's what we're getting out of Schroeder, it's what we got out of Van Vleet. I don't think anyone would accuse those guys of being good play-makers. The offense has looked better with Quickley playing off the ball, which is not great.

If Quickley was signed to decent contract, this wouldn't be a problem. But instead, we'll likely have to give him more than he's worth to stick around.

Sigh.

He Is not a finished product
He has a history of his floater being reliable
He has not played with Yak...or a backup level C even
We have not been able to practice much at all

It's not about him being a traditional PG who is going to get 10 assists a game. It's about developing that side of his game to make him a more rounded guard. Look at GTJ who has failed miserably at doing this.

[gp2015]

I didn't say Schroeder was better than Quickley... but they are similar calibre players right now. Finished product or not, Quickley has not looked like effective starter when he's been on the floor. He's averaging 2 more points in 8 more minutes as a starter... that's terrible. And it's not like he's a rookie, he's in his 4th year. Barrett has not had practice time either, but he's managed to make an impact when he's out there. Quickley's been a massive disappointment, no other way to slice it.

If that's how you feel then your expectations were highly unrealistic in the first place.

IQ is learning a new role as the starting pg. In New York, he was mainly asked to be a scorer off the bench and now he's asked to get everyone involved in the offense and make plays for others.

RJ has started his whole career and this role is not drastically different than how he usually plays but he's being asked to limit his low percentage shots.

The expectations were for him to be a reliable starter. That's not an unrealistic demand for 4th year player who has had some big games as a starter before, and is expecting a big contract in the off-season.

If RJ can come into a bigger role and improve, I think expecting the same from Quickley is a tall ask.

He hasn't been a reliable starter? He's had 2-3 poor games out of 12 games while learning a new role. Even when he has struggled shooting those few games, he found a way to contribute 10/11 assists and getting 4-5 rebounds per game.

You also keep comparing him to Dennis, which doesn't make sense to me for anyone actually watching the games.

I don't think you are familiar with IQ at all considering his current play is not far off from how he has played in the past.

I'm sorry, but your expectations are unrealistic and your takes are terrible.

[gp2015]

In the regular season, 20+games as a starter under the bright lights of New York AND averaged 20+pts |5+rbs|5+asts|45%FG|40 3P% despite having a defensive-minded coach in Thibs.
He knows what he can do.

Don’t forget the “…with new team and coach.” So anew system and new teammates.

He said himself when he came that he had to focus more on becoming a creator.

as long as he keeps shooting at 40+% from 3, we are good. He fits great with Scottie and StarJ..I never had him as a future 2nd option (more like a 3 or 4)..I hope this coaching staff can maximize his talent.
Note: Gary Trent has shown just as much potential as IQ. We need to remind ourselves that Gary is the same age as IQ

Not really. Gary can shoot when he's hot and that's about it. He doesn't pass, get rebounds, create for others, or play good defense. The problem with Gary is you never know what you're going to get with him on a nightly basis.

IQ can still get assists, rebounds and make some plays for others when his shot is off. He's also a solid defender which Gary has never been.

Very different players.

[links135]

Wish we could find a few more disappointments averaging 17-6-5 and 44% on 3's.

I think it's fair to say that he's had a couple of rough games recently and that he has a lot of room for growth. The issue is that people thought we were getting Tyrese Maxey 2.0, and for all of his positives Immanuel is not Tyrese.

No one has Maxey's speed so for sure it's not fair to IQ. Not to mention, his last name comes with expectations...lol.

But when you look at Maxeys stats, when he was taking the same amount of FA as IQ is with us, both are 17 point guys. But the last 2 year Maxey has gone from 13.3, to 15.2, to now 19.7. THAT'S the part we need to get IQ to.

And fwiw, I am a Flyers fan(sadly) so talk a lot with Flyers/76ers fans. And I can tell you the last few years they have wanted Maxey to be a better playmaker and realize that with Harden gone, it gave him the ball, way more. And he had lots of games where he struggled but it was part of development.

If we get IQ to 19+ FGA per game, he will get tons of praise because he will be a 23+ point guy. But hey, so far he has yet to play with a starting C with us and I would much rather his jump happen next year after he signs his deal than happen now and increase his cap hit...lol.

People forget, his fg% overall is lower because his 2poijt numbers are way down. And they are down due to missing some easy ones that history says he will make over time. Plus, with no C playing for us, opponents C's are contesting them more vs when you have Yak blocking guys out. Oh, and in pnr situations, Yak can be a dump off option that IQ and others have not had. People don't realize how much Yak can help this team in ways that don't show on the stat sheet.

It's def alot easier to play off Embiid than freaking young lol. Even if you kick it to Young at the FT line he won't even look at the basket.

[gp2015]

Wish we could find a few more disappointments averaging 17-6-5 and 44% on 3's.

I think it's fair to say that he's had a couple of rough games recently and that he has a lot of room for growth. The issue is that people thought we were getting Tyrese Maxey 2.0, and for all of his positives Immanuel is not Tyrese.

I don't think most people were actually being serious when calling him Maxey, at least I wasn't. It was just part of the initial fun and excitement when he first got here but that shouldn't be taken seriously.

He's closer to being Maxey lite than Maxey 2.0.

[ArthurVandelay]

Don’t forget the “…with new team and coach.” So anew system and new teammates.

He said himself when he came that he had to focus more on becoming a creator.

as long as he keeps shooting at 40+% from 3, we are good. He fits great with Scottie and StarJ..I never had him as a future 2nd option (more like a 3 or 4)..I hope this coaching staff can maximize his talent.
Note: Gary Trent has shown just as much potential as IQ. We need to remind ourselves that Gary is the same age as IQ

Not really. Gary can shoot when he's hot and that's about it. He doesn't pass, get rebounds, create for others, or play good defense. The problem with Gary is you never know what you're going to get with him on a nightly basis.

IQ can still get assists, rebounds and make some plays for others when his shot is off. He's also a solid defender which Gary has never been.

Very different players.

And Gary has had a lot of opportunity to show what he is the last 3 seasons

IQ has been a essentially been a full time back up

[realball]

If that's how you feel then your expectations were highly unrealistic in the first place.

IQ is learning a new role as the starting pg. In New York, he was mainly asked to be a scorer off the bench and now he's asked to get everyone involved in the offense and make plays for others.

RJ has started his whole career and this role is not drastically different than how he usually plays but he's being asked to limit his low percentage shots.

The expectations were for him to be a reliable starter. That's not an unrealistic demand for 4th year player who has had some big games as a starter before, and is expecting a big contract in the off-season.

If RJ can come into a bigger role and improve, I think expecting the same from Quickley is a tall ask.

He hasn't been a reliable starter? He's had 2-3 poor games out of 12 games while learning a new role. Even when he has struggled shooting those few games, he found a way to contribute 10/11 assists and getting 4-5 rebounds per game.

You also keep comparing him to Dennis, which doesn't make sense to me for anyone actually watching the games.

I don't think you are familiar with IQ at all considering his current play is not far off from how he has played in the past.

I'm sorry, but your expectations are unrealistic and your takes are terrible.

He's had more than 2-3 poor games. And that's what makes him an unreliable starter... the poor games. Do you ever read what you are typing? Getting 10 assists while shooting 3-13 from the floor is not impressive.

Obviously you just keep adjusting your expectations to whatever he is playing as now. Some fans just can't look at their teams objectively.

[realball]

But you are ignoring that he isn't being asked just to score like in NY.

He is being asked to also create for other and his assist have gone from 2.5 to 6.1.

So 7 more minutes making 1.5 more baskets and creating 3.5 more baskets....that's directly impacting 10-15 more points in 7 minutes. How is that bad??

And again, that's without a starting level C.

He's not looking that great as a play-maker though, that's the problem. Barely getting to the rim, not driving and kicking nearly as much as we need, very little in between game. 6 assists is okay, but that's what we're getting out of Schroeder, it's what we got out of Van Vleet. I don't think anyone would accuse those guys of being good play-makers. The offense has looked better with Quickley playing off the ball, which is not great.

If Quickley was signed to decent contract, this wouldn't be a problem. But instead, we'll likely have to give him more than he's worth to stick around.

Sigh.

He Is not a finished product
He has a history of his floater being reliable
He has not played with Yak...or a backup level C even
We have not been able to practice much at all

It's not about him being a traditional PG who is going to get 10 assists a game. It's about developing that side of his game to make him a more rounded guard. Look at GTJ who has failed miserably at doing this.

Man, this is turning into a real Bargnani situation where people are just in full out denial. Do you think guards only play well when there are Cs on the team or something? Are we going to pay IQ for his "history" or for the way he's playing with us?

It's great that he's developing a new side to his game, we don't need to pretend like he's been playing well while he's been adjusting though.

[HumbleRen]

He’s giving us prime FVV production from a numbers stand point and he’s not even 15 games in with us.

The gloom and doom is hilarious. If you’re expecting Maxey or Dame Lite, you’re going to be disappointed. If you’re expecting him to be a great rim finisher, you’re going to have a bad time watching him.

If you’re expecting an all star caliber guard who is amazing off the ball and is one of the best shooters in the league, well you’re in luck.

He went from Mitchell Robinson and Poeltl screening for him to a third stringer center screening for him, that’s going to be an adjustment for any guard, especially one who’s been averaging the most points in PNR possessions in the league.

[YogurtProducer]

He's not looking that great as a play-maker though, that's the problem. Barely getting to the rim, not driving and kicking nearly as much as we need, very little in between game. 6 assists is okay, but that's what we're getting out of Schroeder, it's what we got out of Van Vleet. I don't think anyone would accuse those guys of being good play-makers. The offense has looked better with Quickley playing off the ball, which is not great.

If Quickley was signed to decent contract, this wouldn't be a problem. But instead, we'll likely have to give him more than he's worth to stick around.

Sigh.

He Is not a finished product
He has a history of his floater being reliable
He has not played with Yak...or a backup level C even
We have not been able to practice much at all

It's not about him being a traditional PG who is going to get 10 assists a game. It's about developing that side of his game to make him a more rounded guard. Look at GTJ who has failed miserably at doing this.

Man, this is turning into a real Bargnani situation where people are just in full out denial. Do you think guards only play well when there are Cs on the team or something? Are we going to pay IQ for his "history" or for the way he's playing with us?

It's great that he's developing a new side to his game, we don't need to pretend like he's been playing well while he's been adjusting though.

What are you even talking about.

He’s played 12 games with us. Obviously you’re gonna put more stock into the 200+ games he’s played prior to the trade than the 12 he played with a new team, system, role, etc.

The fact that he’s played “poorly” with us (but still has been pretty solid) is a big positive to me. He’s yet to play to his highest potential yet which leads to optimism.

[YogurtProducer]

The expectations were for him to be a reliable starter. That's not an unrealistic demand for 4th year player who has had some big games as a starter before, and is expecting a big contract in the off-season.

If RJ can come into a bigger role and improve, I think expecting the same from Quickley is a tall ask.

He hasn't been a reliable starter? He's had 2-3 poor games out of 12 games while learning a new role. Even when he has struggled shooting those few games, he found a way to contribute 10/11 assists and getting 4-5 rebounds per game.

You also keep comparing him to Dennis, which doesn't make sense to me for anyone actually watching the games.

I don't think you are familiar with IQ at all considering his current play is not far off from how he has played in the past.

I'm sorry, but your expectations are unrealistic and your takes are terrible.

He's had more than 2-3 poor games. And that's what makes him an unreliable starter... the poor games. Do you ever read what you are typing? Getting 10 assists while shooting 3-13 from the floor is not impressive.

Obviously you just keep adjusting your expectations to whatever he is playing as now. Some fans just can't look at their teams objectively.

Define poor? Because looking back at his 12 game game log I don’t see many poor games. Even in the games he doesn’t score (2 games below 10 points), he has double digit assists in both. Has hit 2+ 3’s in 11/12 games. Has turned the ball over more than 2 times only twice. Has scored 20+ 5 times.

Seriously - what did you expect from him? He’s been the best guard on the team this year, and that’s with zero practice time and zero PnR partners (where’s he’s really, really good).

The guy was putting up 15/3/3 in NY. He is now putting up 17/5/6. His play making growth so far has been impressive considering he didn’t do much of that in NY, and his scoring output has taken a bit of a dip, mostly because his otherwise reliable floater (for 3.5 seasons) hasn’t been falling so far in TO. I’m gonna bet on the 3.5 year sample size over the 3 week one he’s gonna figure that out.

[Fairview4Life]

He hasn't been a reliable starter? He's had 2-3 poor games out of 12 games while learning a new role. Even when he has struggled shooting those few games, he found a way to contribute 10/11 assists and getting 4-5 rebounds per game.

You also keep comparing him to Dennis, which doesn't make sense to me for anyone actually watching the games.

I don't think you are familiar with IQ at all considering his current play is not far off from how he has played in the past.

I'm sorry, but your expectations are unrealistic and your takes are terrible.

He's had more than 2-3 poor games. And that's what makes him an unreliable starter... the poor games. Do you ever read what you are typing? Getting 10 assists while shooting 3-13 from the floor is not impressive.

Obviously you just keep adjusting your expectations to whatever he is playing as now. Some fans just can't look at their teams objectively.

Define poor? Because looking back at his 12 game game log I don’t see many poor games. Even in the games he doesn’t score (2 games below 10 points), he has double digit assists in both. Has hit 2+ 3’s in 11/12 games. Has turned the ball over more than 2 times only twice. Has scored 20+ 5 times.

Seriously - what did you expect from him? He’s been the best guard on the team this year, and that’s with zero practice time and zero PnR partners (where’s he’s really, really good).

The guy was putting up 15/3/3 in NY. He is now putting up 17/5/6. His play making growth so far has been impressive considering he didn’t do much of that in NY, and his scoring output has taken a bit of a dip, mostly because his otherwise reliable floater (for 3.5 seasons) hasn’t been falling so far in TO. I’m gonna bet on the 3.5 year sample size over the 3 week one he’s gonna figure that out.

I don't get the talk about his playmaking here. His assist % jumped from 15.7% in NY where he was looked at as a scoring guard off the bench, to 26.7% with the Raps, as our starting PG. That's about what Shroder's assist % is so far this year and would be top 35 in the league, basically:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_advanced.html#advanced_stats::ast_pct

His assist % is also going to suffer a little here as we have a fairly egalitarian offense with Scottie starting plays a bunch too.


Also, as an aside, no wonder the Pacers are losing without Haliburton. Jesus Christ. His usage is 26.3% and he's assisting on 52% of the successful 73.7% remaining plays.