Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st

[Godaddycurse]

Btw... nobody seems to have mentioned yet...if NOP can't move Brown and Olynyk by later today, they are only going to hurt their tank. They aren't injured.

I would be shocked if Brown played a game for them.

Well that's why I think they do anything to move him. They can't sit him, they have to waive him then. He's a UFA and would just loudly complain.

Can't waive Olynyk with eating cap space next year.

they will likely buy brown out to sign with a contender

[Johnny Bball]

For the ones that hate this trade

This is the reason why.

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That was a playoff series in NOP when he is 24 or 25, right?

[ChillRelaxDude]

Gave up a pick for an expiring contract with questionable fit when the team should have been selling not buying

It's the same trade over again

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Jak trade prevented us from getting a high(er) lotto pick. This trade won't affect our tank this year

Why? Unless ingram is out for the rest of the year, we upgraded our talent level

If ingram is out for the rest of the year, are you comfortable signing him to a massive deal this summer?

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If he's out for the rest of the year, it's decided upon to help the tank and not because of his ankle injury.

[original fan]

I wouldn’t have done this deal.

Giving up a 1st rounder for an expiring contract (in a tank year) and maybe continuing to sit him doesn’t sound great. He is not signed to next year period. I don’t care if there was “good initial extension talks”. Bro could come here and be depressed in the winter time and say ‘imma take my talents to the south’

What if he signs the deal?

There is a ton of downside to this deal in the form of BI asking for ~$50M+ since BI camp has all the leverage (and we balk, goes south and accepts less). Or we give in and give him the big money.

I would have done the deal for a 2nd only, so I could walk away ‘easily’ from BI if the talks were not in line. NOP wanted to move him, and we blinked a bit at the end.

They must have had talks with BI camp about salary commitment before the trade took place and feel comfortable about it.
One of IQ or RJ will still need to go depending on who we pick in the draft soon. As for now, sit BI and others out the rest of the year to get into top 5 in the draft. Prolly make a small trade with NY to round the roster for example Boucher plus PDX 2ND for Robinson and a FRP.

[Godaddycurse]

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That was his first and only playoff series in NOP, right?

he had a much better series in 2021-2022

[Airmiess]

It's a very fair deal. It's what they should have got for Siakam..

One stretch big away from being competitive.

[Johnny Bball]

I have to imagine they were given the ability to talk to Ingram and hash out a deal?

I agree but I’d like to have seen a commitment similar to what Butler did. Riley has shown to be quite the salesman in the offseason.

Well if we lose him in FA, Masai has to go. ha.

If we lose him it would be to a sign and trade. Heat aren't ever operating below the cap. Raptors can't get a single FRP further down the road than 2026 in a S+T deal? I don't see any risk there.

[WuTang_CMB]

Another aspect of why they did this is likely cuz they know they knocked it outta the park with the 24' draft. got really solid depth there. still early but signs are there

[GIZMO]

Wake up to the news that we traded another first round pick! I had a very strong feeling that Indy first was not in the long term plan. I guess when Masai was preaching patience to the fan base, he was just spewing garbage?

Have you been watching this season? Patience has been tested.

I don't understand how anyone could want to suffer a season like this for multiple seasons in a row. Retool, not rebuild. Can you imagine being a Hornets fan? How long has it taken for the Pistons to finally show signs of life? You'd have a hard time convincing me that the Pistons have achieved anything beyond treadmill status.

I’ve been watching this team since it’s inception so I have watched my share of bad teams. I liked the play of the young guys this year and seeing them develop!
Trading away yet another first reeks of desperation.

This trade may seem good value, but as duke said as soon as BI is extended he is a bad contract.

[Johnny Bball]

I hate it. BI is a walking Injury and he isnt good enough to put us into contending status. I would have understood if it is zion but BI?

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[WuTang_CMB]

I hate it. BI is a walking Injury and he isnt good enough to put us into contending status. I would have understood if it is zion but BI?

????

Lol

[anotherhomer]

Wake up to the news that we traded another first round pick! I had a very strong feeling that Indy first was not in the long term plan. I guess when Masai was preaching patience to the fan base, he was just spewing garbage?

Have you been watching this season? Patience has been tested.

I don't understand how anyone could want to suffer a season like this for multiple seasons in a row. Retool, not rebuild. Can you imagine being a Hornets fan? How long has it taken for the Pistons to finally show signs of life? You'd have a hard time convincing me that the Pistons have achieved anything beyond treadmill status.

I’ve been watching this team since it’s inception so I have watched my share of bad teams. I liked the play of the young guys this year and seeing them develop!
Trading away yet another first reeks of desperation.

This trade may seem good value, but as duke said as soon as BI is extended he is a bad contract.

BI is open to a contract in the 40M range...it's a good value play

[The Duke]

What if he signs the deal?

There is a ton of downside to this deal in the form of BI asking for ~$50M+ since BI camp has all the leverage (and we balk, goes south and accepts less). Or we give in and give him the big money.

I would have done the deal for a 2nd only, so I could walk away ‘easily’ from BI if the talks were not in line. NOP wanted to move him, and we blinked a bit at the end.

They must have had talks with BI camp about salary commitment before the trade took place and feel comfortable about it.
One of IQ or RJ will still need to go depending on who we pick in the draft soon. As for now, sit BI and others out the rest of the year to get into top 5 in the draft. Prolly make a small trade with NY to round the roster for example Boucher plus PDX 2ND for Robinson and a FRP.

Say it louder.

“They musta had talks with BI camp right?!?!?”

Think BI/agent is going to give away all their leverage to a team in the great white north after a 2min conversation?

It’s more likely that BI/agent thinking “well $55M is back on the table now, I mean they already in for a first too”

[Johnny Bball]

I agree partially with u, but we so desperately need a pure scorer like Ingram since Kawhi left. He is the best pure scorer we've had minus Kawhi the past...like 20 years

He fits our needs to a T. Considering how Barnes dont want to be that guy and prefers to pass, we need a go-to iso finisher, none of the share the ball bs.

I fully agree with you on that, Ingram has a nice offensive arsenal, much better than RJ's, but imo Barrett has to go now, to make it work, the roster right now is unbalanced, 3 out 5 starters are pure offensive players. Barrett needs to be traded for a defensive minded shooter who don't need the ball in his hands all the time.

RJ going to make a killer 6th man

Yeah, I think one of the two will play the bulk of his minutes with the bench. Not sure either comes off the bench but one of them sits early first quarters next year, instead of Barnes.

[Johnny Bball]

I wouldn’t have done this deal.

Giving up a 1st rounder for an expiring contract (in a tank year) and maybe continuing to sit him doesn’t sound great. He is not signed to next year period. I don’t care if there was “good initial extension talks”. Bro could come here and be depressed in the winter time and say ‘imma take my talents to the south’

Listed his favorite NBA cities as LA, Miami, Toronto. I mean, there's few players that are going to put Toronto that close to Miami.

Btw... would you have preferred they just waive Brown and not be able to use that cap space nexzt season? There's way more buyers than sellers this year and that was a possibility.

[M3tro]

Wow.

On paper, we paid the Lakers' discount price to get him. If we can still snag a top 6ish pick for the year, we're definitely looking up for the 25-26 season.

My only complaint is the overlap between Ingram and RJ.

[GIZMO]

Have you been watching this season? Patience has been tested.

I don't understand how anyone could want to suffer a season like this for multiple seasons in a row. Retool, not rebuild. Can you imagine being a Hornets fan? How long has it taken for the Pistons to finally show signs of life? You'd have a hard time convincing me that the Pistons have achieved anything beyond treadmill status.

I’ve been watching this team since it’s inception so I have watched my share of bad teams. I liked the play of the young guys this year and seeing them develop!
Trading away yet another first reeks of desperation.

This trade may seem good value, but as duke said as soon as BI is extended he is a bad contract.

BI is open to a contract in the 40M range...it's a good value play

We don’t know the number till it’s signed! Also, he hardly plays!

[ChillRelaxDude]

Wake up to the news that we traded another first round pick! I had a very strong feeling that Indy first was not in the long term plan. I guess when Masai was preaching patience to the fan base, he was just spewing garbage?

Have you been watching this season? Patience has been tested.

I don't understand how anyone could want to suffer a season like this for multiple seasons in a row. Retool, not rebuild. Can you imagine being a Hornets fan? How long has it taken for the Pistons to finally show signs of life? You'd have a hard time convincing me that the Pistons have achieved anything beyond treadmill status.

I’ve been watching this team since it’s inception so I have watched my share of bad teams. I liked the play of the young guys this year and seeing them develop!
Trading away yet another first reeks of desperation.

This trade may seem good value, but as duke said as soon as BI is extended he is a bad contract.

I disagree. BI signing a contract extension doesn't automatically make it a bad contract. We'll have to wait and see what the terms are, but I think anyone saying one way or the other is getting ahead of themselves. The free agency buyers market is limited, therefore, negotiations should be fair and possibly sided towards the team.

Funny, because I would have thought that anyone that was here for the inception of the Raptors would not a repeat of what we suffered and know situations like OKC are not the norm.

[StopitLeo]

Great deal. You have to pay for talent and the cost here was essentially the Indy pick. We weren’t going to draft someone in 2026 ready to help Barnes at an elite level but Ingram brings that if healthy. No doubt there had to be some discussions about an extension.

[notagenius]

Love this trade.

Initially dont like giving up the Indy pick but realized this team already has way too much youth.

Excited for next year.

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