Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[Brinbe]

Raps and minny being used.

That's not being used. That's backwards. The Raps and Twolves are legit interested. But they have to convince/recruit KD, not the Suns. The Suns are trying to do right by him but that patience doesn't last forever as we saw with Dame.

Raps and minny’s offers r being used as leverage to fake other teams (the ones kd wants to go to) to increase their offers.

That's not faking anything when they'd prefer to take those deals lol. The only thing stoppin it from happening is them trying to do right by KD but that patience doesn't last forever.

[HangTime]

lol those deals don't work money wise. they can't take more back than KD's salary.
it'd be 9 for 29.

We are the ones getting KD here.

Salary wise, all 3 work, according to the trade machine.

I can't see #9 being part of it, but later protected pick is fair.

IQ + Jakob + 2026 1st rounder

RJ + Jakob + Gradey + top 20 protected 2028 1st rounder

RJ +Jakob+ Ochai + lottery protected 2028 1st rounder

Those would be the salaries

If they want Gradey there's a better protection on the pick. If they pick Ochai there's less protection on the pick.

[TorontoBarneys]

Yak would be replacable if we could hang onto either IQ/Barrett in the deal....We could flip one for a Yak Replacement and maybe sign a vet C in Free agency.....I think the KD trade happens soon though and i believe its either us or Minni....I think the Spurs/Rockets are holding their assets for a younger better Star that could become available....I don't think the Heat have enough assets to get him at all and thats why we are where we are....

KDs prefered destinations don't want him enough to put up a legit offer that beats ours or Minnis but Suns wanna do right by KD to send him where he wants to be but the teams he wants to be in are not playing ball....

We were pure garbage last year whenever Poeltl missed time due to injuries.

The idea that he's easily replaced is hilarious.

[WuTang_CMB]

That's not being used. That's backwards. The Raps and Twolves are legit interested. But they have to convince/recruit KD, not the Suns. The Suns are trying to do right by him but that patience doesn't last forever as we saw with Dame.

Raps and minny’s offers r being used as leverage to fake other teams (the ones kd wants to go to) to increase their offers.

That's not faking anything when they'd prefer to take those deals lol. The only thing stoppin it from happening is them trying to do right by KD but that patience doesn't last forever.

Lol. PHX is just trying to play the game but they weak at it. They’ve been using Toronto and Minny all week trying to get better offers lol that’s clear as day. They want to send KD to Houston preferably cuz they want at least one if those future picks back. Its pretty simple but using guys like gambo is laughable.

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[Brinbe]

Raps and minny’s offers r being used as leverage to fake other teams (the ones kd wants to go to) to increase their offers.

That's not faking anything when they'd prefer to take those deals lol. The only thing stoppin it from happening is them trying to do right by KD but that patience doesn't last forever.

Lol. PHX is just trying to play the game but they weak at it. They’ve been using Toronto and Minny all week trying to get better offers lol that’s clear as day. They want to send KD to Houston preferably cuz they want at least one if those future picks back. Its pretty simple but using guys like gambo is laughable.

Yes, that's how negotiations work in any capacity. What are you acting brand new about? If KD wanted Minny he'd be gone already so how are they leverage?

And they'd probably keep him before accepting a bad deal from those other teams and strengthening a conference rival.

I think we'd do a deal even without the assurance of an extension, like they did with Kawhi, hence why our interest is legitimate.

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[WuTang_CMB]

That's not faking anything when they'd prefer to take those deals lol. The only thing stoppin it from happening is them trying to do right by KD but that patience doesn't last forever.

Lol. PHX is just trying to play the game but they weak at it. They’ve been using Toronto and Minny all week trying to get better offers lol that’s clear as day. They want to send KD to Houston preferably cuz they want at least one if those future picks back. Its pretty simple but using guys like gambo is laughable.

Yes, that's how negotiations work in any capacity. What are you acting brand new about? If KD wanted Minny he'd be gone already so how are they leverage?

And they'd probably keep him before accepting a bad deal from those other teams and strengthening a conference rival.

I think we'd do a deal even without the assurance of an extension, like they did with Kawhi, hence why our interest is legitimate.

Keep up. Toronto and Minny have been used cuz they want the other teams to increase. KD doesnt want to go to minny - even if they like the deal, they wont do it unti he blesses it which he has said no twice. In the mean time, they doing the PR game to get houston and sas to increase.

[Zeno]

So we’re basically safe. We don’t even have the top offer of the undesirable destinations. Even if we were willing to do the trade, Kawhi style, it would require the Wolves to back out first.

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That is obv the best offer on the table atm....Gobert/Div/Dill/17th is a great haul ....But i think the hang up atm is maybe KD Is really against going to Timberwolves and would prefer Toronto over Minni.....That would be the only way they choose our package over theirs....

Package wise....Quick/Yak/9th is prolly the 2nd best offer....Now if we are adding RJ as well in the deal and getting back Allen/O'Neal/29th pick....We would need to try and flip them add ons for other players....So Masai would have his work cut out for him if he really does wanna go all in on KD.

This is the deal that SHOULD happen. KD goes to a contender. Gobert is good compensation.

I don't think the Raps deal makes sense for anyone......including KD.

[Clutch0z24]

Yak would be replacable if we could hang onto either IQ/Barrett in the deal....We could flip one for a Yak Replacement and maybe sign a vet C in Free agency.....I think the KD trade happens soon though and i believe its either us or Minni....I think the Spurs/Rockets are holding their assets for a younger better Star that could become available....I don't think the Heat have enough assets to get him at all and thats why we are where we are....

KDs prefered destinations don't want him enough to put up a legit offer that beats ours or Minnis but Suns wanna do right by KD to send him where he wants to be but the teams he wants to be in are not playing ball....

We were pure garbage last year whenever Poeltl missed time due to injuries.

The idea that he's easily replaced is hilarious.

No easily replacable but he can be replaced if we offer one of IQ/RJ....Prolly to the Blazers for one of Ayton/Timelord.....Maybe another C if we look around but....By replacable i mean you can get a C....Maybe won't be as good as Yak but you can still replace that position with RJ or IQ if one is left out the deal.

[Brinbe]

Lol. PHX is just trying to play the game but they weak at it. They’ve been using Toronto and Minny all week trying to get better offers lol that’s clear as day. They want to send KD to Houston preferably cuz they want at least one if those future picks back. Its pretty simple but using guys like gambo is laughable.

Yes, that's how negotiations work in any capacity. What are you acting brand new about? If KD wanted Minny he'd be gone already so how are they leverage?

And they'd probably keep him before accepting a bad deal from those other teams and strengthening a conference rival.

I think we'd do a deal even without the assurance of an extension, like they did with Kawhi, hence why our interest is legitimate.

Keep up. Toronto and Minny have been used cuz they want the other teams to increase. KD doesnt want to go to minny - even if they like the deal, they wont do it unti he blesses it which he has said no twice. In the mean time, they doing the PR game to get houston and sas to increase.

you're the one behind because that's already been established.

And yeah, that's how trade negotiations work, congrats on figuring it out.

but minnesota and toronto aren't connected because we will do that deal without an extension.

do you even remember two weeks ago?

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Masai wants a big fish, this is it.

[DreamTeam09]

This literally happens every year, and every year you guys say how dumb msasi is for even offering these deals, & then we come to find out none of this were true, or even remotely close to being accurate.
Now they're listing trades that financially can't even happen

nah,

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there's also the OG trade rumors that broke ahead of time and Scottie being the pick reported by Fischer.

Plenty about their plans legit leak out, but you gotta figure out which sources are reliable like Marc Stein.

And this is from June earlier this month

“But Toronto has likewise been painted by numerous NBA figures as a potential trade suitor for Durant … particularly if Antetokounmpo doesn’t reach the open market. The Raptors, furthermore, would figure to have a more realistic shot at assembling a competitive trade offer for Durant compared to the mammoth offers that the Bucks would inevitably seek for Antetokounmpo’s services. The Greek Freak also happens to be six years younger than Durant, is still playing at an MVP level and, most crucially, has two more guaranteed years left on his contract.”

Ok now when I retort with all the failed raptor rumors your explanation would be...?

I remember posters on here bringing up Ingram when we still had Pascal on the team,
Anyone of us can come up with rumors based on team needs & fits, a lot of them get substantiated by fanbases & other media pundits because "it could make sense" & the dialogue that persist. From a well ran franchise perspective, it doesn't make sense to alienate your players under contracts.

[CazOnReal]

The only clown bigger than Gambo is the Suns FO trying to cr*p on what's frankly an overpay for a one year rental.

[Brinbe]

This literally happens every year, and every year you guys say how dumb msasi is for even offering these deals, & then we come to find out none of this were true, or even remotely close to being accurate.
Now they're listing trades that financially can't even happen

nah,

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there's also the OG trade rumors that broke ahead of time and Scottie being the pick reported by Fischer.

Plenty about their plans legit leak out, but you gotta figure out which sources are reliable like Marc Stein.

And this is from June earlier this month

“But Toronto has likewise been painted by numerous NBA figures as a potential trade suitor for Durant … particularly if Antetokounmpo doesn’t reach the open market. The Raptors, furthermore, would figure to have a more realistic shot at assembling a competitive trade offer for Durant compared to the mammoth offers that the Bucks would inevitably seek for Antetokounmpo’s services. The Greek Freak also happens to be six years younger than Durant, is still playing at an MVP level and, most crucially, has two more guaranteed years left on his contract.”

Ok now when I retort with all the failed raptor rumors your explanation would be...?

well, obviously context matters. who's making the claim? The reason this thread is what it is is because windhorst and stein have reported on it and they have credibility. and just because they want to trade someone doesn't mean it always materialises and doesn't disprove that there are good sources on the raptors. They were looking to trade Gary at the deadline and got no takers. but that doesn't mean they weren't looking to do it.

[bballsparkin]

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Nope, but that's what I thought as well. Gambo said all three, so it would be a some filler added like Royce O'Neale and Grayson Allen who the Suns have floated in trade rumors.

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I am happy to move on from IQ and Barrett but losing Poeltl hurts and create a void. He is not a top C in the league, lucky to be top 20 so you move him for Durant. I just wouldn't add anything more than that.

Toronto would need to get a C better than Colin Castleton in a follow-up move.

It is a wild proposal and I do trust Gambo. Many other analysts have said the return for Durant is not going to be great and this is a kind of sucky return given how much they gave up for him.

Good. I don't like the deal either. I hope Phoenix falls on their face and keeps plummeting.

[WuTang_CMB]

Yes, that's how negotiations work in any capacity. What are you acting brand new about? If KD wanted Minny he'd be gone already so how are they leverage?

And they'd probably keep him before accepting a bad deal from those other teams and strengthening a conference rival.

I think we'd do a deal even without the assurance of an extension, like they did with Kawhi, hence why our interest is legitimate.

Keep up. Toronto and Minny have been used cuz they want the other teams to increase. KD doesnt want to go to minny - even if they like the deal, they wont do it unti he blesses it which he has said no twice. In the mean time, they doing the PR game to get houston and sas to increase.

you're the one behind because that's already been established.

And yeah, that's how trade negotiations work, congrats on figuring it out.

but minnesota and toronto aren't connected because we will do that deal without an extension.

do you even remember two weeks ago?

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Masai wants a big fish, this is it.

U were confused. I just explained it lol twice today. Jeeze.

Raps want a big fish ya who cares. PHX has been using both minny and toronto in the media to get better offers. What does that have to do with toronto going after a star? Lol

[Brinbe]

Keep up. Toronto and Minny have been used cuz they want the other teams to increase. KD doesnt want to go to minny - even if they like the deal, they wont do it unti he blesses it which he has said no twice. In the mean time, they doing the PR game to get houston and sas to increase.

you're the one behind because that's already been established.

And yeah, that's how trade negotiations work, congrats on figuring it out.

but minnesota and toronto aren't connected because we will do that deal without an extension.

do you even remember two weeks ago?

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Masai wants a big fish, this is it.

U were confused. I just explained it lol twice today. Jeeze.

Raps want a big fish ya who cares. PHX has been using both minny and toronto in the media to get better offers. What does that have to do with toronto going after a star? Lol

I'm not confused about anything. Being used as leverage means that the Suns have zero interest in trading him here and that's just not true. They saw what the offers were and went back to the other teams to up their offers but that doesn't mean there's no deal to be done. That's what YOU don't understand. They went through an initial round of bargaining and we're in round two where we see what Houston/Miami/SA do now. And if they decline to up their offers, then we're in a drivers seat position.

[Clutch0z24]

Raps and minny being used.

That's not being used. That's backwards. The Raps and Twolves are legit interested. But they have to convince/recruit KD, not the Suns. The Suns are trying to do right by him but that patience doesn't last forever as we saw with Dame.

Raps and minny’s offers r being used as leverage to fake other teams (the ones kd wants to go to) to increase their offers.

While this is correct....It seems like the teams KD wants are not going to try and compete with Raps/Minnys offers....Which is why no deal is done yet....So it is possible we are being used as leverage while also being true that Raps/Minny did in fact put these offers on the table for KD and Suns are trying to convince KD to accept the deal with Minny...It sounds like Minny would NOT accept the deal if KD says no to Minny, And maybe just maybe Raptors don't care if he wants to come here or not like with the Kawhi deal and Suns just ship him here as we would have the 2nd best offer on the table....

[Brinbe]

That's not being used. That's backwards. The Raps and Twolves are legit interested. But they have to convince/recruit KD, not the Suns. The Suns are trying to do right by him but that patience doesn't last forever as we saw with Dame.

Raps and minny’s offers r being used as leverage to fake other teams (the ones kd wants to go to) to increase their offers.

While this is correct....It seems like the teams KD wants are not going to try and compete with Raps/Minnys offers....Which is why no deal is done yet....So it is possible we are being used as leverage while also being true that Raps/Minny did in fact put these offers on the table for KD and Suns are trying to convince KD to accept the deal....It sounds like Minny would NOT accept the deal if KD says no to Minny, And maybe just maybe Raptors don't care if he wants to come here or not like with the Kawhi deal and Suns just ship him here as we would have the 2nd best offer on the table....

That's exactly my point. Masai will do this deal for a rental, which I'm sure will drive people crazy, but that's the swing he wants to take.