2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

[for_tdot]

I really like what I've been seeing from DeAndre Daniels.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeA ... iels-6256/

SF who can score and who has excellent size and wing span to play SF.

Also what I like about Daniels is his score first mentality.

He has the wingspan and the height but he is waay too thin. He's like another T-Ross. Id rather draft Glenn Robinson iii as he is much stronger and has a more complete game than Daniels. Daniels is just a good 3 point shooter.

[Risk101]

14. PJ Hairston, SG, Texas Legends (Previous Rank: NR)- As a long-time fan of Hariston, it was great to see him adapt so well to the D-League after what happened at North Carolina. Making 2.8 threes a game at 35.8% from the NBA line shows that he can shoot it as a pro and Hairston should make enough strides as a defender and supporting offensive player to stick. As long as you do not ask him to do too much offensively, PJ should provide plenty of value whether it comes off the bench or as the fifth starter on a quality team, the role I would prefer for him.

Good Fits: Denver, Toronto, OKC

Bad Fits: Orlando, LA Lakers

18. Nik Stauskas, SG, Michigan (Previous Rank: NR)- While we all know Stauskas can shoot the crap out of the ball, he shows a more varied offensive game that shows promise in the NBA. Nik reminds me quite a bit of Klay Thompson as a prospect if you swap some of Klay’s defensive potential for ballhandling and passing. Both have trouble finishing at the rim but can absolutely annihilate open shots, making them incredibly useful supporting scorers next to quality table setters. Like PJ Hairston, it could be better to use Stauskas with the first unit to generate more open looks once he gets closer to his ceiling.

Good Fits: Chicago, Phoenix, Toronto (if they keep Lowry)

Bad Fits: Denver, Sacramento

I don't think PJ Hairston is that good for our team. Nik would be huge but he will be long gone before our pick.

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/23 ... ay-Edition

[Roland Brice]

14. PJ Hairston, SG, Texas Legends (Previous Rank: NR)- As a long-time fan of Hariston, it was great to see him adapt so well to the D-League after what happened at North Carolina. Making 2.8 threes a game at 35.8% from the NBA line shows that he can shoot it as a pro and Hairston should make enough strides as a defender and supporting offensive player to stick. As long as you do not ask him to do too much offensively, PJ should provide plenty of value whether it comes off the bench or as the fifth starter on a quality team, the role I would prefer for him.

Good Fits: Denver, Toronto, OKC

Bad Fits: Orlando, LA Lakers

18. Nik Stauskas, SG, Michigan (Previous Rank: NR)- While we all know Stauskas can shoot the crap out of the ball, he shows a more varied offensive game that shows promise in the NBA. Nik reminds me quite a bit of Klay Thompson as a prospect if you swap some of Klay’s defensive potential for ballhandling and passing. Both have trouble finishing at the rim but can absolutely annihilate open shots, making them incredibly useful supporting scorers next to quality table setters. Like PJ Hairston, it could be better to use Stauskas with the first unit to generate more open looks once he gets closer to his ceiling.

Good Fits: Chicago, Phoenix, Toronto (if they keep Lowry)

Bad Fits: Denver, Sacramento

I don't think PJ Hairston is that good for our team. Nik would be huge but he will be long gone before our pick.

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/23 ... ay-Edition

[tms]

14. PJ Hairston, SG, Texas Legends (Previous Rank: NR)- As a long-time fan of Hariston, it was great to see him adapt so well to the D-League after what happened at North Carolina. Making 2.8 threes a game at 35.8% from the NBA line shows that he can shoot it as a pro and Hairston should make enough strides as a defender and supporting offensive player to stick. As long as you do not ask him to do too much offensively, PJ should provide plenty of value whether it comes off the bench or as the fifth starter on a quality team, the role I would prefer for him.

Good Fits: Denver, Toronto, OKC

Bad Fits: Orlando, LA Lakers

18. Nik Stauskas, SG, Michigan (Previous Rank: NR)- While we all know Stauskas can shoot the crap out of the ball, he shows a more varied offensive game that shows promise in the NBA. Nik reminds me quite a bit of Klay Thompson as a prospect if you swap some of Klay’s defensive potential for ballhandling and passing. Both have trouble finishing at the rim but can absolutely annihilate open shots, making them incredibly useful supporting scorers next to quality table setters. Like PJ Hairston, it could be better to use Stauskas with the first unit to generate more open looks once he gets closer to his ceiling.

Good Fits: Chicago, Phoenix, Toronto (if they keep Lowry)

Bad Fits: Denver, Sacramento

I don't think PJ Hairston is that good for our team. Nik would be huge but he will be long gone before our pick.

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/23 ... ay-Edition

[baulderdash77]

I'm really liking Elfrid Payton. Him and Inglis would be a dream.

Elfrid Payton is great except he can't shoot a lick. That's such a critical weakness for a PG to have that he becomes almost a non-prospect.

Except for the fact that he's an exceptional prospect.

He has some exceptional tools but he is not exceptional.

He shot 18% of his catch & shoots last year, 27% off the dribble and 25% from 3. Not to mention he only shoots about 60% of his FT's. That is a major deficiency, especially from a PG. He literally can not shoot and his mechanics are poor.

He also has a major turnover problem. He had the worst TO% of any PG in the draft and he played against weak competition. How is that going to translate to the NBA?

I really like a lot about Payton's game but it's a big and critical problem as a prospect.

[SkywalkerAC]

Hood remind anyone a bit of Jalen? Or maybe Michael Redd?

[Dukenukem23]

Thanasis Antetokounmpo is a Thad Young clone but 10x cheaper

[Roland Brice]

Elfrid Payton is great except he can't shoot a lick. That's such a critical weakness for a PG to have that he becomes almost a non-prospect.

Except for the fact that he's an exceptional prospect.

He has some exceptional tools but he is not exceptional.

He shot 18% of his catch & shoots last year, 27% off the dribble and 25% from 3. Not to mention he only shoots about 60% of his FT's. That is a major deficiency, especially from a PG. He literally can not shoot and his mechanics are poor.

He also has a major turnover problem. He had the worst TO% of any PG in the draft and he played against weak competition. How is that going to translate to the NBA?

I really like a lot about Payton's game but it's a big and critical problem as a prospect.

The turnovers are an issue, but the shooting isn't for me. I don't see him having a problem adding a jump shot to his game, but the turnovers could be anything from playing too fast to not completely grasping the plays.

[Raptorfan2012]

Thanasis isn't tall, he is SG/SF height 6'7" with good wingspan 7'. At most Iguodala on defense and only on defense.

I think we are not necessarily drafting a SF at #37, besides, we may already draft one at #20. Here are a few higher ceiling prospects: Powell (PF - Canadian), Bogdanovic (SG/SF), Burton (PG). Besides, someone may drop.

Thanasis actually has near identical measurements to Thad Young. If Thad can get mins at the 4 I think Thanasis can as well and he's probably an even better athlete. Thanasis can play the 2/3 and small ball 4 on defense. I love his defensive versatility and he's my guy at 37.

I believe you mistaken with his younger brother. Thanasis is only 6'6.25 in height and 8'8.5" standing reach, while Young is 6'7.5 in height and 8'10" standing reach. His younger brother, Gainnis is actually 6'9 in height, and probably 8'11" standing reach.

That is interesting. Thanasis looks taller than 6'6 in those youtube clips of him in the D- League

[CPT]

I'm not really for or against drafting him, but for the sake of argument, why will Payton be any better than a poor man's Avery Bradley? A guy who the jury is still out on regarding his potential as an effective every day starter.

[Rapsobsessed7]

I think Payton & Vasquez can play together. What do you guys think?

Lowry / Payton
Derozan / Vasquez
Ross / Inglis (#37)
Amir / Patterson
Val / C

Not feeling it. Who's gonna defend SGs?


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Depends on the matchup but Vasquez is big enough and plays off the ball well. I see the minutes breaking down something like this

Lowry (33) / Payton (15)
Derozan (25) / Vasquez (23)
Ross (28) / Derozan (8) / Inglis (12)
Amir (22) / Patterson (26)
Val (28) / Amir (6) / C (14)

If my quick math is correct lol

[bonjovi0308]

Elfrid Payton is great except he can't shoot a lick. That's such a critical weakness for a PG to have that he becomes almost a non-prospect.

Except for the fact that he's an exceptional prospect.

He has some exceptional tools but he is not exceptional.

He shot 18% of his catch & shoots last year, 27% off the dribble and 25% from 3. Not to mention he only shoots about 60% of his FT's. That is a major deficiency, especially from a PG. He literally can not shoot and his mechanics are poor.

He also has a major turnover problem. He had the worst TO% of any PG in the draft and he played against weak competition. How is that going to translate to the NBA?

I really like a lot about Payton's game but it's a big and critical problem as a prospect.

I think its safe to say currently Napier, Ennis are all better than Payton. However with proper development Payton could be the best PG out of the three in 3-4 years. So in case we want a PG, one can argue do you want to take the most developed player now or take a bigger project but with bigger potential (that may or may not realize) down the road?

But out of the three, Payton fits with the Raps best. We need 2 way players who plays tough defense. Don't think both Napier and Ennis will be that good on the defensive side.

[bonjovi0308]

I'm not really for or against drafting him, but for the sake of argument, why will Payton be any better than a poor man's Avery Bradley? A guy who the jury is still out on regarding his potential as an effective every day starter.

Payton is lightning quick and is already quite advanced in the defensive side. Its always easier to develop offensive skills than defensive skills.

And at pick 20, there shall be no complains for picking Payton, although I'm rooting for Deonte Burton.

[bonjovi0308]

Except for the fact that he's an exceptional prospect.

He has some exceptional tools but he is not exceptional.

He shot 18% of his catch & shoots last year, 27% off the dribble and 25% from 3. Not to mention he only shoots about 60% of his FT's. That is a major deficiency, especially from a PG. He literally can not shoot and his mechanics are poor.

He also has a major turnover problem. He had the worst TO% of any PG in the draft and he played against weak competition. How is that going to translate to the NBA?

I really like a lot about Payton's game but it's a big and critical problem as a prospect.

The turnovers are an issue, but the shooting isn't for me. I don't see him having a problem adding a jump shot to his game, but the turnovers could be anything from playing too fast to not completely grasping the plays.

If Payton can already be shooting well and less turnover prone, then he will likely be gone in top 15 and he won't even worth to be discussed here

[bonjovi0308]

Chad Ford tweeted out, “T.J. Warren is never going to be a drills guy. But when (the players) went live 3-on-3? Holy hell.” 3-on-3, 5-on-5, 1-on-1, doesn’t matter, Warren is a matchup nightmare who will use his handles, shoulders, and footwork to get to the bucket and the free throw line (6.4 attempts in 35.4 minutes per game).
Damn if TJ or Rodney (safer pick then TJ - not a tweener) drops to us we're lucky. However, Boston will probably be pretty high on him, so small chances he drops below 17th (http://hoopshabit.com/2014/05/25/boston ... fantastic/).

Personally I see T.J. Warren to be a useful contributor in the NBA, but not a star. Maybe avg 12-16 ppg if given 2-3 years of proper development and opportunity.

However I think we need to build up our team's identify - that is to play hard on both sides of the court - grind and tough it out style. I'm not sure of T.J. Warren's potential on the defensive side.

[m83588333]

Ennis is better than Payton. When Payton was ranked low first early second he was the BPA but at #15-25 he is overrated especially if taken over Ennis. The gap between the ceiling and present skill level is much higher for Payton than Ennis

[Dalek]

I really like what I've been seeing from DeAndre Daniels.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeA ... iels-6256/

SF who can score and who has excellent size and wing span to play SF.

Also what I like about Daniels is his score first mentality.

I am warming up to him because he fits the ideal SF profile. He blocks a good number of shots, grabs boards and shoots threes. That sounds like a low maintenance three and D guy. I'd consider him at 20 or trade down for him. I doubt he is there at 36, but he'd be a steal in that range.

He just needs to add weight which is what we have the best training staff in the NBA for.

[SkywalkerAC]

i really like the idea of coming out of this draft with a high level 4/5 prospect, and that means Porzingis or Capela, especially when there seems to be a solid shot of landing a rotation wing like Thanassis at 37. Bachynski at 59 and call it a day.

Lowry/Greivis/Nando
Demar/Ross/Fields
Vince/Thanassis/Novak
Pat/Capela/Hayes
Jonas/Amir/Bachynski

And then Masai has Salmons/Hans/Stone/Buycks to flip or cut. Sorry for assuming (and starting) VC but you get the idea. Masai has plenty of ammunition to work with.

[Rapsfan07]

I'm not really for or against drafting him, but for the sake of argument, why will Payton be any better than a poor man's Avery Bradley? A guy who the jury is still out on regarding his potential as an effective every day starter.

Payton is lightning quick and is already quite advanced in the defensive side. Its always easier to develop offensive skills than defensive skills.

And at pick 20, there shall be no complains for picking Payton, although I'm rooting for Deonte Burton.

Yup. People are sleeping on Deonte Burton. IMO he has the skills to be a top 3 PG in this draft class. Dude is that good. I think he's already more skilled than Ennis, Napier and Payton. Guy reminds me of Baron Davis with defense.

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[bonjovi0308]

I'm not really for or against drafting him, but for the sake of argument, why will Payton be any better than a poor man's Avery Bradley? A guy who the jury is still out on regarding his potential as an effective every day starter.

Payton is lightning quick and is already quite advanced in the defensive side. Its always easier to develop offensive skills than defensive skills.

And at pick 20, there shall be no complains for picking Payton, although I'm rooting for Deonte Burton.

Yup. People are sleeping on Deonte Burton. IMO he has the skills to be a top 3 PG in this draft class. Dude is that good. I think he's already more skilled than Ennis, Napier and Payton. Guy reminds me of Baron Davis with defense.

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Happy to have you as company on Burton. I do have a bad feeling that Masai would not pick him even he has the chance to, and eventually I am vindicated to be making the right call. It happened with Eric Blesode during his draft year. BC picked Ed Davis instead.....