2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[Ackshun]

this draft is ass and id take Simmons over all 5 of the top 5 picks no problem.

but I also think you guys are really overestimating Kyles trade value

This.

Lowry is logical choice for key trade st this point while his value high.....

Massi knows bold moves needed to keep going forward with effective retool... makes sense....

Like I said, We should trade Lowry to a contender for assets and bring him back the following year when we get giannis

He's a human being, with a wife and school aged children.

I'm pretty sure if he gets traded, he isn't moving back to Canada.

[Ackshun]

I would pass if OG is in the deal. He'd be a critical piece to make the Simmons on Raptors be a success.

I'd be willing to part with Norm though.

You don't trade OG or second team honours Paskal. Would love to do a deal that nets us Fultz. and or Mo Bamba. Norm though will be hard to get value for and I do not think there is a chance in hell we trsde Lowry. We won't be making trades this offseason is my guess.

My guess is there will be big trades. Lowry and Fred doesn't work as a pairing. My guess is that Fred will stay and Lowry is gone.

Agree that Masai will NOT trade Pascal/OG, unless its part of a superstar deal (Beal doesn't count). You need those types of two-way players to win. But you also need someone else with length who can score.

I don't get this board sometimes. Guy is playing some of the best ball of his career and has shown that he is the heart and soul of our team. He has been an exceptional extension of NN and the coaching staff while on the court, and a veteran leader that every team needs both on the court and in the locker room

And what? We wanna trade him for an "asset" ? Maybe a mid first rounder to pick up Tyrell Terry. ?

He deserves to a stay a raptor. He deserves to stay a starter. His game is not relient on athleticism so I'm fine with him in that role for a few more years.

[Psubs]

You don't trade OG or second team honours Paskal. Would love to do a deal that nets us Fultz. and or Mo Bamba. Norm though will be hard to get value for and I do not think there is a chance in hell we trsde Lowry. We won't be making trades this offseason is my guess.

My guess is there will be big trades. Lowry and Fred doesn't work as a pairing. My guess is that Fred will stay and Lowry is gone.

Agree that Masai will NOT trade Pascal/OG, unless its part of a superstar deal (Beal doesn't count). You need those types of two-way players to win. But you also need someone else with length who can score.

I don't get this board sometimes. Guy is playing some of the best ball of his career and has shown that he is the heart and soul of our team. He has been an exceptional extension of NN and the coaching staff while on the court, and a veteran leader that every team needs both on the court and in the locker room

And what? We wanna trade him for an "asset" ? Maybe a mid first rounder to pick up Tyrell Terry. ?

He deserves to a stay a raptor. He deserves to stay a starter. His game is not relient on athleticism so I'm fine with him in that role for a few more years.

Sure, I'd gamble on Tyrell Terry!

This could be a way for Lowry to try and win still. Also he could come back in 2021. I think you just have to wait a calendar year so trading him during the draft works. If Giannis wants to go somewhere else in 2021, bring back Lowry and Kawhi.

If Terry is still there at #21 Philly;

Toronto trades: Kyle Lowry

Philadelphia trades: Al Horford and #21

[tecumseh18]

You don't trade OG or second team honours Paskal. Would love to do a deal that nets us Fultz. and or Mo Bamba. Norm though will be hard to get value for and I do not think there is a chance in hell we trsde Lowry. We won't be making trades this offseason is my guess.

My guess is there will be big trades. Lowry and Fred doesn't work as a pairing. My guess is that Fred will stay and Lowry is gone.

Agree that Masai will NOT trade Pascal/OG, unless its part of a superstar deal (Beal doesn't count). You need those types of two-way players to win. But you also need someone else with length who can score.

I don't get this board sometimes. Guy is playing some of the best ball of his career and has shown that he is the heart and soul of our team. He has been an exceptional extension of NN and the coaching staff while on the court, and a veteran leader that every team needs both on the court and in the locker room

And what? We wanna trade him for an "asset" ? Maybe a mid first rounder to pick up Tyrell Terry. ?

He deserves to a stay a raptor. He deserves to stay a starter. His game is not relient on athleticism so I'm fine with him in that role for a few more years.

Ask yourself, who just beat us in the playoffs? How did they acquire their big stars? Has Masai ever seemed like the sentimental type to you?

But this will be a conversation between Masai and Lowry. Lowry has earned the right to have a say in what happens. But if Giannis is coming, there's not enough money for he, Giannis and Fred to be on this team. Kyle's not going to work for nothing in 2021.

[Ackshun]

My guess is there will be big trades. Lowry and Fred doesn't work as a pairing. My guess is that Fred will stay and Lowry is gone.

Agree that Masai will NOT trade Pascal/OG, unless its part of a superstar deal (Beal doesn't count). You need those types of two-way players to win. But you also need someone else with length who can score.

I don't get this board sometimes. Guy is playing some of the best ball of his career and has shown that he is the heart and soul of our team. He has been an exceptional extension of NN and the coaching staff while on the court, and a veteran leader that every team needs both on the court and in the locker room

And what? We wanna trade him for an "asset" ? Maybe a mid first rounder to pick up Tyrell Terry. ?

He deserves to a stay a raptor. He deserves to stay a starter. His game is not relient on athleticism so I'm fine with him in that role for a few more years.

Ask yourself, who just beat us in the playoffs? How did they acquire their big stars? Has Masai ever seemed like the sentimental type to you?

But this will be a conversation between Masai and Lowry. Lowry has earned the right to have a say in what happens. But if Giannis is coming, there's not enough money for he, Giannis and Fred to be on this team. Kyle's not going to work for nothing in 2021.

Yeah I'm not gonna ask myself that question. Every team that has beat us in the past, has acquired their talent via different methods (Washington, Cleveland, etc..).

We have a strong "system" with guys overacheiving (see Biyombo). They go get paid elsewhere, because quite frankly, we can't afford to pay every contributor on this team $15-22 million/year once the have a breakout season.

Spending 2/3 of our cap on FVV and Giannis (in this ridiculous hypothetical) is arguably not a smart move either.

[agkagk]

My guess is there will be big trades. Lowry and Fred doesn't work as a pairing. My guess is that Fred will stay and Lowry is gone.

Agree that Masai will NOT trade Pascal/OG, unless its part of a superstar deal (Beal doesn't count). You need those types of two-way players to win. But you also need someone else with length who can score.

I don't get this board sometimes. Guy is playing some of the best ball of his career and has shown that he is the heart and soul of our team. He has been an exceptional extension of NN and the coaching staff while on the court, and a veteran leader that every team needs both on the court and in the locker room

And what? We wanna trade him for an "asset" ? Maybe a mid first rounder to pick up Tyrell Terry. ?

He deserves to a stay a raptor. He deserves to stay a starter. His game is not relient on athleticism so I'm fine with him in that role for a few more years.

Ask yourself, who just beat us in the playoffs? How did they acquire their big stars? Has Masai ever seemed like the sentimental type to you?

But this will be a conversation between Masai and Lowry. Lowry has earned the right to have a say in what happens. But if Giannis is coming, there's not enough money for he, Giannis and Fred to be on this team. Kyle's not going to work for nothing in 2021.

wont we have lowry's bird rights?

so just sign him last.

I think the real question will be, is he willing to take a reduced role in a couple years and come off the bench....i doubt it, but i hope so. man should retire a raptor and toronto should give him a statue--NOT KAWHI.

[StopitLeo]

wont we have lowry's bird rights?

so just sign him last.

I think the real question will be, is he willing to take a reduced role in a couple years and come off the bench....i doubt it, but i hope so. man should retire a raptor and toronto should give him a statue--NOT KAWHI.

We will have his Bird rights. However, Lowry has a ~$40M cap hold which is there to prevents you from doing what you are suggesting. We have to renounce him to get that money off the team salary to create the cap space for a max free agent. In that case we can only sign him with what remains in cap room and/or exceptions if we are over the cap after signing a max free agent (please lord let that happen).

[ash_k]

Would you OG for Jaylen Brown?

[HeadtopChunes]

Would you OG for Jaylen Brown?

No Brown is overrated, because he plays for Boston. He’s a better version of Norm (dangerous in transition and off the catch) but poor when forced into creation.

Strong on-ball defender but bad off-ball, (he couldn’t keep track of Robinson and Herro yesterday for example)

Good player but not enough of an upgrade. I’d rather keep OG or wait to trade for a real difference maker.

[tecumseh18]

I don't get this board sometimes. Guy is playing some of the best ball of his career and has shown that he is the heart and soul of our team. He has been an exceptional extension of NN and the coaching staff while on the court, and a veteran leader that every team needs both on the court and in the locker room

And what? We wanna trade him for an "asset" ? Maybe a mid first rounder to pick up Tyrell Terry. ?

He deserves to a stay a raptor. He deserves to stay a starter. His game is not relient on athleticism so I'm fine with him in that role for a few more years.

Ask yourself, who just beat us in the playoffs? How did they acquire their big stars? Has Masai ever seemed like the sentimental type to you?

But this will be a conversation between Masai and Lowry. Lowry has earned the right to have a say in what happens. But if Giannis is coming, there's not enough money for he, Giannis and Fred to be on this team. Kyle's not going to work for nothing in 2021.

wont we have lowry's bird rights?

so just sign him last.

I think the real question will be, is he willing to take a reduced role in a couple years and come off the bench....i doubt it, but i hope so. man should retire a raptor and toronto should give him a statue--NOT KAWHI.

Rather write out an explanation of cap holds that you will undoubtedly ignore as being "just my opinion, man", here is link showing how the CBA works in this regard.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/03/hoops-rumors-glossary-cap-holds-3.html

Bottom line - we lose Kyle - for nothing - in 2021 if we sign Fred for ~$22 mill AAV and sign a max FA. We'd have to renounce his Bird rights. And he might decide to walk anyway.

[LoveMyRaps]

Philly's updated depth chart would be:

FVV/Milton
Richardson/Powell
Harris/Thybule
Simmons/Scott
Horford/Boucher

That's a dangerous squad.

Raptors:

Lowry/Bane
Davis/Thomas
OG/Watson
Siakam/RHJ
Embiid/Perry

[tecumseh18]

I don't believe you can combine a S&T with other players. You'd have to break the trade down into smaller parts. For the Embiid for Fred component, Fred would have to be signed for at lease ~23.6 mill AAV, to meet the 125% rule. Then Norm (if that's who the Sixers want would have to go over in a separate transaction that works under the trade checker. I'm not sure there's a deal to be had with Norm's 10 mill salary. What do you say if the Sixers demand OG? Fewer draft picks for sure.

I like Embiid. But I don't want him on the team. Too high maintenance.

[Bruin]

Would you OG for Jaylen Brown?

No Brown is overrated, because he plays for Boston. He’s a better version of Norm (dangerous in transition and off the catch) but poor when forced into creation.

Strong on-ball defender but bad off-ball, (he couldn’t keep track of Robinson and Herro yesterday for example)

Good player but not enough of an upgrade. I’d rather keep OG or wait to trade for a real difference maker.

Wouldn’t work salary wise but if there was a way to get brown I’d do it. He performs in big games and has a lot of tools to have an extremely bright future. He’s also very mature beyond his age

[Kingsway_fan]

You don't trade OG or second team honours Paskal. Would love to do a deal that nets us Fultz. and or Mo Bamba. Norm though will be hard to get value for and I do not think there is a chance in hell we trsde Lowry. We won't be making trades this offseason is my guess.

My guess is there will be big trades. Lowry and Fred doesn't work as a pairing. My guess is that Fred will stay and Lowry is gone.

Agree that Masai will NOT trade Pascal/OG, unless its part of a superstar deal (Beal doesn't count). You need those types of two-way players to win. But you also need someone else with length who can score.

I don't get this board sometimes. Guy is playing some of the best ball of his career and has shown that he is the heart and soul of our team. He has been an exceptional extension of NN and the coaching staff while on the court, and a veteran leader that every team needs both on the court and in the locker room

And what? We wanna trade him for an "asset" ? Maybe a mid first rounder to pick up Tyrell Terry. ?

He deserves to a stay a raptor. He deserves to stay a starter. His game is not relient on athleticism so I'm fine with him in that role for a few more years.

Strictly business.... asset has value now... we have surplus guards and needs elsewhere..that's how you retool.... he could get injured or his performance could nosedive like Gasol... then you have no trade value

[Purple Forever]

So I preface this with the fact I am a huge fan of Lowry.

But that said what if Philly offered Horford, Harris and Thybulle for Lowry, with pick or picks

Now you resign Fred and have

Horford
Siakim
Harris
OG
Van Vleet

With

Boucher
Thybulle
Davis
Powell
Johnson

All off the bench

You could even resign Ibaka

[casual_raps_fan]

My guess is there will be big trades. Lowry and Fred doesn't work as a pairing. My guess is that Fred will stay and Lowry is gone.

Agree that Masai will NOT trade Pascal/OG, unless its part of a superstar deal (Beal doesn't count). You need those types of two-way players to win. But you also need someone else with length who can score.

I don't get this board sometimes. Guy is playing some of the best ball of his career and has shown that he is the heart and soul of our team. He has been an exceptional extension of NN and the coaching staff while on the court, and a veteran leader that every team needs both on the court and in the locker room

And what? We wanna trade him for an "asset" ? Maybe a mid first rounder to pick up Tyrell Terry. ?

He deserves to a stay a raptor. He deserves to stay a starter. His game is not relient on athleticism so I'm fine with him in that role for a few more years.

Sure, I'd gamble on Tyrell Terry!

This could be a way for Lowry to try and win still. Also he could come back in 2021. I think you just have to wait a calendar year so trading him during the draft works. If Giannis wants to go somewhere else in 2021, bring back Lowry and Kawhi.

If Terry is still there at #21 Philly;

Toronto trades: Kyle Lowry

Philadelphia trades: Al Horford and #21

That is a really bad trade for the raptors.

Horford is a solid player and terry is a nice prospect but we lose ALL of our cap flexibility in exchange for Kyle Lowry.

If we are losing Kyle Lowry (and our cap flexibility) from a trade with the 76ers, Simmons or Embiid has to be coming back.

edit: I guess I might think about it if 76ers attach 4 first round picks to Horford or Harris. lol

[casual_raps_fan]

So I preface this with the fact I am a huge fan of Lowry.

But that said what if Philly offered Horford, Harris and Thybulle for Lowry, with pick or picks

Now you resign Fred and have

Horford
Siakim
Harris
OG
Van Vleet

With

Boucher
Thybulle
Davis
Powell
Johnson

All off the bench

You could even resign Ibaka

That doesn't work because contracts don't match. Horford, Harris, Thybulle will make around 64M next season. Kyle Lowry will make 30M next season.

[OAKLEY_2]

My guess is there will be big trades. Lowry and Fred doesn't work as a pairing. My guess is that Fred will stay and Lowry is gone.

Agree that Masai will NOT trade Pascal/OG, unless its part of a superstar deal (Beal doesn't count). You need those types of two-way players to win. But you also need someone else with length who can score.

I don't get this board sometimes. Guy is playing some of the best ball of his career and has shown that he is the heart and soul of our team. He has been an exceptional extension of NN and the coaching staff while on the court, and a veteran leader that every team needs both on the court and in the locker room

And what? We wanna trade him for an "asset" ? Maybe a mid first rounder to pick up Tyrell Terry. ?

He deserves to a stay a raptor. He deserves to stay a starter. His game is not relient on athleticism so I'm fine with him in that role for a few more years.

Ask yourself, who just beat us in the playoffs? How did they acquire their big stars? Has Masai ever seemed like the sentimental type to you?

But this will be a conversation between Masai and Lowry. Lowry has earned the right to have a say in what happens. But if Giannis is coming, there's not enough money for he, Giannis and Fred to be on this team. Kyle's not going to work for nothing in 2021.

Listen Brown, Tatum and company are nice players but we smacked them around some over 7 games and now they are near scrapping in the locker room. Smart-Kemba-Tatum-Jalen-Theis stacks up slight better than Fred-KL-Paskal-Serge-OG but... I like KL better than Kemba. Smart probably has had the edge in this series over somewhat uninspired Fred. If Fred were on his game it might be a different comparison. Tatum clearly was the best player on the floor. I like OG better than Jalen Brown and I really like Jalen Brown. Serge is also better than Theis. So other than Tatum let's not bash our guys. We use to to say we couldn't compete with the Wizards...

[casual_raps_fan]

Would you OG for Jaylen Brown?

No Brown is overrated, because he plays for Boston. He’s a better version of Norm (dangerous in transition and off the catch) but poor when forced into creation.

Strong on-ball defender but bad off-ball, (he couldn’t keep track of Robinson and Herro yesterday for example)

Good player but not enough of an upgrade. I’d rather keep OG or wait to trade for a real difference maker.

Wouldn’t work salary wise but if there was a way to get brown I’d do it. He performs in big games and has a lot of tools to have an extremely bright future. He’s also very mature beyond his age

Interestingly you can say the exact same thing about OG too.

[casual_raps_fan]

I would pass if OG is in the deal. He'd be a critical piece to make the Simmons on Raptors be a success.

I'd be willing to part with Norm though.

You don't trade OG or second team honours Paskal. Would love to do a deal that nets us Fultz. and or Mo Bamba. Norm though will be hard to get value for and I do not think there is a chance in hell we trsde Lowry. We won't be making trades this offseason is my guess.

My guess is there will be big trades. Lowry and Fred doesn't work as a pairing. My guess is that Fred will stay and Lowry is gone.

Agree that Masai will NOT trade Pascal/OG, unless its part of a superstar deal (Beal doesn't count). You need those types of two-way players to win. But you also need someone else with length who can score.

I hear people say this but is this really true? Considering their talent level, I actually thought it went really well. They weirdly compliment each other's strengths and weaknesses and were very productive both offensively and defensively all season long.