Tank World Order

[NotMyKawhi]

everyone is talking about Cade. I don't see Cade as far away the #1. That being said he and about 10 other guys would have been #1 last year


That's why losing is even better, there's more than one guy. Ppl arent even talking about jalen johnson. He's a monster. Hoping to win the lottery? unrealistic! Hoping to pick top 10? Very realistic

[720]

Cade even has a post game... wow

I just need to see his defense but I think he's crafty enough and can get more explosive with some NBA training like Tatum. Cade has a high bball IQ, the whole offensive package and size.

Thats my top pick so far but I guess we'll have a better idea later in the season..

Jalen Green is much more of an eye opener. Makes amazing plays. But I'm starting to get Zach Lavine vibes from him. His frame is too skinny and doesn't assist enough.

Cade is not only a tall point guard he's also a strong one. He will bully every point guard in the league. Like Ben Simmons if he could shoot and isn't a bitch.

[NotMyKawhi]

I'm all abt the guys no one will talk about this year due to G-league or injury.

Jalen Johnson, Jalen Green, Kuminga, Todd, Nixx

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[jimmy keys]

What's our % of being top 5?

Very top 5 heavy draft, any of Cade, Suggs, Green, Kuminga, and Mobley would be amazing. If I was to mock out how I want them it'd go

1. Cade
2. Kuminga
3. Suggs
4. Green
5. Mobley

Even ending up with 5 isn't horrible, Mobley projects as a modern day effective NBA C. Which is what our team is currently lacking

I think I have Suggs at 1 as of today. He looks like he'll be special, has all the tools and no weaknesses as far I can tell so far. Why do you like Cade & Kuminga more?

I'd probably rank them as of today (subject to change).

1. Suggs
2. Cade
3. Green
4. Kuminga
5. Mobley

Hello my friend ! I also used to be a big Suggs guy but he's fallen a bit on my list. Suggs from what I read is described as a 6'5 combo guard. I'm a little weary of being overhyped and then underwhelmed by Gonzaga players transition to the NBA. I just personally think that it's easier to build a team around both Cade and Kuminga over him. Both seem to have that killer mentality and size. If FVV is staying Cade would be the perfect fit next to him as a 6'8 PG

Nice. How do you properly assess the two G-League guys though since that's a new phenomenon or path into the NBA? Honestly I think you can't go wrong with any of those top 4 guys. I look forward to watching them progress all year even if the Raptors don't get a top pick. They're very exciting prospects either way. I haven't really looked into the rest of the class yet either, but it projects to be a great one all around.

[ruckus]

A Dame/CJ backcourt isn't good enough to win a championship, yet people are trying to invest in a old man Lowry/FVV/Flynn back court. It's a good thing the Raptors have no dynamic wings and a complete 0 at centre outside of Boucher as well.

Hand us that L Portland!

I'm glad you brought this up. Are any of the top 5 in this upcoming draft future superstars? If not, aren't the Trailblazers or Raptors (pre-Kawhi) the best case scenario?

Aside from our current depth, our problem, last season and this, is that we have 3 pretty good players as our core but no superstars. Dame is an upper echelon allstar but I don't see him on the level of a Luka, Lebron or Steph. CJ is somewhere on the level of a Pascal.

Looking at the past championships, its littered with names of top 5 players. Lebron, Kawhi, Curry, Durant, Duncan, Jordan, Olajuwon, Shaq, Kobe. All those guys were top 5 players, if not higher, in the seasons that they won championships. Is that guy in this draft?

I'm probably rambling on a bit but I think I'd buy into a tank much easier if the top of the draft was a little more persuasive. While I don't think we'd end up with another Bennett or Wiggins or Bargs, real game changing players don't come around all that often.

I guess my ultimate question is, are we looking to tank this season just to end up in a similar place a few seasons down the line?

If we're really looking to build a true contender, shouldn't we be looking towards an Emoni Bates who is widely considered the best prospect since Lebron?

[Pooh_Jeter]

A Dame/CJ backcourt isn't good enough to win a championship, yet people are trying to invest in a old man Lowry/FVV/Flynn back court. It's a good thing the Raptors have no dynamic wings and a complete 0 at centre outside of Boucher as well.

Hand us that L Portland!

I'm glad you brought this up. Are any of the top 5 in this upcoming draft future superstars? If not, aren't the Trailblazers or Raptors (pre-Kawhi) the best case scenario?

Aside from our current depth, our problem, last season and this, is that we have 3 pretty good players as our core but no superstars. Dame is an upper echelon allstar but I don't see him on the level of a Luka, Lebron or Steph. CJ is somewhere on the level of a Pascal.

Looking at the past championships, its littered with names of top 5 players. Lebron, Kawhi, Curry, Durant, Duncan, Jordan, Olajuwon, Shaq, Kobe. All those guys were top 5 players, if not higher, in the seasons that they won championships. Is that guy in this draft?

I'm probably rambling on a bit but I think I'd buy into a tank much easier if the top of the draft was a little more persuasive. While I don't think we'd end up with another Bennett or Wiggins or Bargs, real game changing players don't come around all that often.

I guess my ultimate question is, are we looking to tank this season just to end up in a similar place a few seasons down the line?

If we're really looking to build a true contender, shouldn't we be looking towards an Emoni Bates who is widely considered the best prospect since Lebron?

Great question and this is the type of stuff I think is important and informative to discuss RE a tank/rebuild rather than people who make up strawmans or come in with an agenda.

I haven't done a super deep dive into the draft, but from everything I've gathered it seems like Cade, Suggs and Mobley have the most star potential, but Kuminga and Green make up a legit top 5 of high level prospects. None of them are sure fire, no brainer prospects, but I think the potential is there and with Cade/Suggs there is a high floor.

Agreed on Dame, I think he could be the best guy on a title team, but it has to be ideally constructed. CJ on the Siakam level is fair too. For me personally, I think FVV is just a decent starter (ideally a high level bench guy) and OG is a Covington type who would start on most teams, but is replaceable.

The question you brought up about Bates is why I think this should be a 2 year job. Chet Holmes is a very intriguing prospect in his own right as well. Get the two high level lottery picks, get extra assets from a Lowry and Powell trade and then seriously think about jettisoning one or even 2 of Siakam/FVV/OG if you can extract a lot of value. With that you are set up with future picks/assets to go along with a team that after a 2 year dip is going to get more and more competitive. If you have a really nice young core (and are maybe still missing that one piece) it becomes so much easier to deal for it. Ideally the guys you draft are the top end talent you need, but you can keep things flexible so you aren't just relying on one or two draft picks.

This is why I don't think this should be a one year stealth tank. For me that is only applicable if you already have that #1 guy on your team.

[C-R-E-A-M-]

I don't watch college ball until the tournament which I'm fortunate enough to work on most years.

I mostly rely on player comparisons for this type of thing. Anyone care to comment on these? They seem to be the most popular ones made during a quick google search:


Suggs = Jason Kidd
Kuminga = Pascal Siakam
Cade = Grant Hill
Mobley = Taj Gibson
Green = Kobe

Kuminga is a 6'8 Jaylen Brown
Green is like Zach Lavine

[jimmy keys]

A Dame/CJ backcourt isn't good enough to win a championship, yet people are trying to invest in a old man Lowry/FVV/Flynn back court. It's a good thing the Raptors have no dynamic wings and a complete 0 at centre outside of Boucher as well.

Hand us that L Portland!

I'm glad you brought this up. Are any of the top 5 in this upcoming draft future superstars? If not, aren't the Trailblazers or Raptors (pre-Kawhi) the best case scenario?

Aside from our current depth, our problem, last season and this, is that we have 3 pretty good players as our core but no superstars. Dame is an upper echelon allstar but I don't see him on the level of a Luka, Lebron or Steph. CJ is somewhere on the level of a Pascal.

Looking at the past championships, its littered with names of top 5 players. Lebron, Kawhi, Curry, Durant, Duncan, Jordan, Olajuwon, Shaq, Kobe. All those guys were top 5 players, if not higher, in the seasons that they won championships. Is that guy in this draft?

I'm probably rambling on a bit but I think I'd buy into a tank much easier if the top of the draft was a little more persuasive. While I don't think we'd end up with another Bennett or Wiggins or Bargs, real game changing players don't come around all that often.

I guess my ultimate question is, are we looking to tank this season just to end up in a similar place a few seasons down the line?

If we're really looking to build a true contender, shouldn't we be looking towards an Emoni Bates who is widely considered the best prospect since Lebron?

Who knows Bates might be a bust. I heard Durant comparisons, but I don't think he's on that level. The next top 5 guy was probably drafted in 2018. The one after that might be in this class, but you're getting way ahead of yourself. Lebron, Duncan, Shaq & Olajuwon were all unanimous 1st overall picks. Durant & Jordan would've been most years too. Curry & Kawhi defied the odds to become top 5 level players. It's the draft you don't know what's going to happen. All we know is that this one is much better than the last two and maybe the best in a decade for lotto picks.

[NotMyKawhi]

top tier

Cade
Jalen
Mobley
Kuminga
Suggs
Jalen Johnson

2nd tier

Bouknight
Ziaire Williams
Scottie Barnes
Moody
Nix
Greg Brown




I might take everyone of those 12 #1 last year

[JShuttlesworth]

I can't believe Mobley was compared to Taj Gibson...

[Jetfire]

Truly an asset to TWO

[CoinTossRoss31]

top tier

Cade
Jalen
Mobley
Kuminga
Suggs
Jalen Johnson

2nd tier

Bouknight
Ziaire Williams
Scottie Barnes
Moody
Nix
Greg Brown




I might take everyone of those 12 #1 last year

You're the first person I've seen put Johnson in tier 1. Anything you can tell us about him that makes you think he belongs there?

[Young_Buc]

A Dame/CJ backcourt isn't good enough to win a championship, yet people are trying to invest in a old man Lowry/FVV/Flynn back court. It's a good thing the Raptors have no dynamic wings and a complete 0 at centre outside of Boucher as well.

Hand us that L Portland!

I'm glad you brought this up. Are any of the top 5 in this upcoming draft future superstars? If not, aren't the Trailblazers or Raptors (pre-Kawhi) the best case scenario?

Aside from our current depth, our problem, last season and this, is that we have 3 pretty good players as our core but no superstars. Dame is an upper echelon allstar but I don't see him on the level of a Luka, Lebron or Steph. CJ is somewhere on the level of a Pascal.

Looking at the past championships, its littered with names of top 5 players. Lebron, Kawhi, Curry, Durant, Duncan, Jordan, Olajuwon, Shaq, Kobe. All those guys were top 5 players, if not higher, in the seasons that they won championships. Is that guy in this draft?

I'm probably rambling on a bit but I think I'd buy into a tank much easier if the top of the draft was a little more persuasive. While I don't think we'd end up with another Bennett or Wiggins or Bargs, real game changing players don't come around all that often.

I guess my ultimate question is, are we looking to tank this season just to end up in a similar place a few seasons down the line?

If we're really looking to build a true contender, shouldn't we be looking towards an Emoni Bates who is widely considered the best prospect since Lebron?

Who knows Bates might be a bust. I heard Durant comparisons, but I don't think he's on that level. The next top 5 guy was probably drafted in 2018. The one after that might be in this class, but you're getting way ahead of yourself. Lebron, Duncan, Shaq & Olajuwon were all unanimous 1st overall picks. Durant & Jordan would've been most years too. Curry & Kawhi defied the odds to become top 5 level players. It's the draft you don't know what's going to happen. All we know is that this one is much better than the last two and maybe the best in a decade for lotto picks.

Guys worth tanking for

Lebron
Zion

Guys we had no idea were generational superstars

Kawhi
Curry
Giannis
Luka

There's no science to this. Team situation, scouting and player development is EVERYTHING.

I trust our system in taking one of those 5 gems and turning them into who they need to be.

[720]

Wizards destroying the suns. Finally they win a game.

[Psubs]

Wizards destroying the suns. Finally they win a game.

Thomas Bryant out for the year but Westbrook out for 1 week may have then start a winning streak!

Cheer on the Grizzlies to beat the Cavs!

[Basketball_Jones]

And another one!

[Pooh_Jeter]

Blazers are total frauds, but you see the benefit of having 2 elite shot creators. TWO only grows stronger.

[Randle McMurphy]

You can always count on Siakam to miss the game winning shot at the end for TWO.

[Basketball_Jones]

Blazers defense is worse then Capitol Hill security and we still lost lol. This game only validates the tank

[Bruin]

Before this back to back I said these 2 games could be huge implications for how the season goes. The team just seems cursed/destined for a high pick. 2-8 is something... lol