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Post#701 » by aminiaturebuddha » Mon May 23, 2022 3:17 pm

Kingsway_fan wrote:
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Kingsway_fan wrote:Our best hope is that scottie and precious have solid improvements to their games...going into next year....


Realistically I'm not sure where else the improvements would be coming from.

It's really all about those 2.

They determine if and how much better we will be. Someone needs to check on them every single day. The franchise depends on them in a massive way to be relevant.


Yep... Fred has maxed out and most likely will digress... Pascal is at Allstar form, and we really can't ask more of him.

og? Trent? ... minor improvements at best, imo..so yes, quantum improvement candidates are only Scottie Barnes and Precious, as far as internal growth.


But it's not just an individual skills thing. Internal improvement will also come from the guys having more experience in the system and more familiarity from playing with each other. For example, the Raps defence was way better in the second half of the season than it was in the first half. I think a lot of that comes from becoming more comfortable with Nick's defensive system, and learning each others tendencies. That type of team growth should continue by virtue of keeping the team's core and coaching staff together.
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Post#702 » by Chandan » Tue May 24, 2022 5:14 am

aminiaturebuddha wrote:
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Realistically I'm not sure where else the improvements would be coming from.

It's really all about those 2.

They determine if and how much better we will be. Someone needs to check on them every single day. The franchise depends on them in a massive way to be relevant.


Yep... Fred has maxed out and most likely will digress... Pascal is at Allstar form, and we really can't ask more of him.

og? Trent? ... minor improvements at best, imo..so yes, quantum improvement candidates are only Scottie Barnes and Precious, as far as internal growth.


But it's not just an individual skills thing. Internal improvement will also come from the guys having more experience in the system and more familiarity from playing with each other. For example, the Raps defence was way better in the second half of the season than it was in the first half. I think a lot of that comes from becoming more comfortable with Nick's defensive system, and learning each others tendencies. That type of team growth should continue by virtue of keeping the team's core and coaching staff together.


that goes for every team. while the raptors gain 1 year of experience of playing together so does every other team who isn't undergoing a complete makeover. do teams get better in such way every year though? lets not forget nick nurse's best year was the year we have 3 new starters in our lineup with Kawhi Gasol and Green.
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Post#703 » by aminiaturebuddha » Tue May 24, 2022 1:58 pm

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aminiaturebuddha wrote:
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Yep... Fred has maxed out and most likely will digress... Pascal is at Allstar form, and we really can't ask more of him.

og? Trent? ... minor improvements at best, imo..so yes, quantum improvement candidates are only Scottie Barnes and Precious, as far as internal growth.


But it's not just an individual skills thing. Internal improvement will also come from the guys having more experience in the system and more familiarity from playing with each other. For example, the Raps defence was way better in the second half of the season than it was in the first half. I think a lot of that comes from becoming more comfortable with Nick's defensive system, and learning each others tendencies. That type of team growth should continue by virtue of keeping the team's core and coaching staff together.


that goes for every team. while the raptors gain 1 year of experience of playing together so does every other team who isn't undergoing a complete makeover. do teams get better in such way every year though? lets not forget nick nurse's best year was the year we have 3 new starters in our lineup with Kawhi Gasol and Green.


Actually, the best year by winning percentage was the following year, despite having less talent (no Kawhi). And I think a big part of that was that the remaining guys had learned how to play together. So I believe my point still stands.
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Post#704 » by brownbobcat » Tue May 24, 2022 2:35 pm

aminiaturebuddha wrote:Actually, the best year by winning percentage was the following year, despite having less talent (no Kawhi). And I think a big part of that was that the remaining guys had learned how to play together. So I believe my point still stands.

If regular season winning percentage were the most important thing, then I'd agree. I think there's some room for Siakam & Fred to marginally improve, but Barnes is the only hope of Toronto getting a superstar anytime soon.
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Post#705 » by PoundTown » Tue May 24, 2022 2:39 pm

brownbobcat wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:Actually, the best year by winning percentage was the following year, despite having less talent (no Kawhi). And I think a big part of that was that the remaining guys had learned how to play together. So I believe my point still stands.

If regular season winning percentage were the most important thing, then I'd agree. I think there's some room for Siakam & Fred to marginally improve, but Barnes is the only hope of Toronto getting a superstar anytime soon.


Pascal might not be a superstar, but definitely looks like a surefire all star type that can make his way onto a 3rd team All NBA, ie. top 15 player in the league. So, if Barnes can also be a top 15 player in the league, and you can surround two guys who are on 2nd or 3rd all NBA, that can be a very good team.
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Post#706 » by Madhouse » Tue May 24, 2022 4:32 pm

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aminiaturebuddha wrote:Actually, the best year by winning percentage was the following year, despite having less talent (no Kawhi). And I think a big part of that was that the remaining guys had learned how to play together. So I believe my point still stands.

If regular season winning percentage were the most important thing, then I'd agree. I think there's some room for Siakam & Fred to marginally improve, but Barnes is the only hope of Toronto getting a superstar anytime soon.


Pascal might not be a superstar, but definitely looks like a surefire all star type that can make his way onto a 3rd team All NBA, ie. top 15 player in the league. So, if Barnes can also be a top 15 player in the league, and you can surround two guys who are on 2nd or 3rd all NBA, that can be a very good team.


I think it's ambitious to call him a legit top 15 player but even if you do the challenge is going to be that Barnes needs to develop quickly and not be at his best when he is 26 or 27 and Siakam already very old but also develop a much different skillset from Siakam to not be too similar. All that aside, having 2 top 15 players would make you a really good team if that team has depth but not sure how feasible it is for us.
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Post#707 » by Young Moosehead » Tue May 24, 2022 4:53 pm

Chandan wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:
Kingsway_fan wrote:
Yep... Fred has maxed out and most likely will digress... Pascal is at Allstar form, and we really can't ask more of him.

og? Trent? ... minor improvements at best, imo..so yes, quantum improvement candidates are only Scottie Barnes and Precious, as far as internal growth.


But it's not just an individual skills thing. Internal improvement will also come from the guys having more experience in the system and more familiarity from playing with each other. For example, the Raps defence was way better in the second half of the season than it was in the first half. I think a lot of that comes from becoming more comfortable with Nick's defensive system, and learning each others tendencies. That type of team growth should continue by virtue of keeping the team's core and coaching staff together.


that goes for every team. while the raptors gain 1 year of experience of playing together so does every other team who isn't undergoing a complete makeover. do teams get better in such way every year though? lets not forget nick nurse's best year was the year we have 3 new starters in our lineup with Kawhi Gasol and Green.


It doesnt go for every team though. ~1/4 of the league is usually in the draft, losing players, firing coaches and switching GMs (Old Raps, SAC, MIN, CHA, NYK, NOP, DET, ORL, etc). Further more there are your maxed out tax teams also aren't in the same situation. They are left juggling injuries, egos and swapping outlandish salaries and ring chasers trying to find the right mix. Your Lakers, Portland, Dallas, wherever Morey is, Phoenix, Clippers type teams. Suggesting that organisational, coaching and player consistency is a common feature of the NBA is an outlandish claim. Seems to me its a good year for consistency if the type of growth described by Kingsway_fan applies to half of the league.

But let me double down on Kingsway's idea. Can you think of 5 teams in the league who have anywhere close to our continuity? What other team ticks all three boxes? Let alone picks up the bonus points?
1) Same Head Coach for 3 years (Bonus point if came up from within the team structure. Bonus points if your assistants only leave to become head coaches elsewhere)
2) Same GM/Pres and FO team for over 5 years. (Bonus point if came up from within the team structure. Bonus point if they have maintained the same Medical team)
3) Top 7 players from this season are all returning. (Bonus if more than 1/2 of the top 7 have been with the team for at least 3 years. Bonus if more than 1/2 of the top 7 were originally selected and developed by that team). Admittedly those 2 bonuses are based on the assumption that Boucher comes back. (Bonus if more than 1/2 of the top 7 are 25 and under)
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Post#709 » by LoveMyRaps » Sun May 29, 2022 6:34 am

I've watched every Scottie Barnes highlight reel on Youtube and I gotta say this one is the best:

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Post#710 » by WuTang_CMB » Sun May 29, 2022 12:08 pm

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Post#712 » by PhilBlackson » Sun May 29, 2022 7:28 pm

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Scottie is seriously gonna be a tank in a few years....like a slightly smaller Malone or something lol but playing more like Magic/Giannis.

It's still crazy the luck we had getting this guy, thank god for the Tampa Tank.
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Post#713 » by dgr81 » Sun May 29, 2022 7:44 pm

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Post#714 » by DreamTeam09 » Sun May 29, 2022 7:46 pm

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Scottie is seriously gonna be a tank in a few years....like a slightly smaller Malone or something lol but playing more like Magic/Giannis.

It's still crazy the luck we had getting this guy, thank god for the Tampa Tank.


When the pick was on the board, I was whispering Jalen Suggs Jalen Suggs,

Then I heard, with the 4th pick Toronto selects fwd Scottie Barnes, I ran out of my friends house screaming ****...

5minutes later I was like, it's okay, it's the right pick. We're playing big from here on out...

My initial reservations were because I thought his offensive game was soon far behind the other the other 4 cats and we desperately needed offense.

Fast forward he's one the best most efficient scorers of his class. Truly a sniper job from mgnt
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Post#715 » by WuTang_CMB » Sun May 29, 2022 7:58 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
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Scottie is seriously gonna be a tank in a few years....like a slightly smaller Malone or something lol but playing more like Magic/Giannis.

It's still crazy the luck we had getting this guy, thank god for the Tampa Tank.


When the pick was on the board, I was whispering Jalen Suggs Jalen Suggs,

Then I heard, with the 4th pick Toronto selects fwd Scottie Barnes, I ran out of my friends house screaming ****...

5minutes later I was like, it's okay, it's the right pick. We're playing big from here on out...

My initial reservations were because I thought his offensive game was soon far behind the other the other 4 cats and we desperately needed offense.

Fast forward he's one the best most efficient scorers of his class. Truly a sniper job from mgnt


It was Scottie all along. Masai was enamoured at his combine workout, that should have gave it away
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Post#716 » by PhilBlackson » Sun May 29, 2022 8:34 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Scottie is seriously gonna be a tank in a few years....like a slightly smaller Malone or something lol but playing more like Magic/Giannis.

It's still crazy the luck we had getting this guy, thank god for the Tampa Tank.


When the pick was on the board, I was whispering Jalen Suggs Jalen Suggs,

Then I heard, with the 4th pick Toronto selects fwd Scottie Barnes, I ran out of my friends house screaming ****...

5minutes later I was like, it's okay, it's the right pick. We're playing big from here on out...

My initial reservations were because I thought his offensive game was soon far behind the other the other 4 cats and we desperately needed offense.

Fast forward he's one the best most efficient scorers of his class. Truly a sniper job from mgnt


It was Scottie all along. Masai was enamoured at his combine workout, that should have gave it away


While personally I wouldn't go that far because I do 100% believe that we were at least INITIALLY after Evan Mobley but I think once Scottie came walking through the door, he probably felt like it doesn't even matter and had the biggest smile on his face knowing either way he's good...
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Post#717 » by WuTang_CMB » Sun May 29, 2022 8:46 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
When the pick was on the board, I was whispering Jalen Suggs Jalen Suggs,

Then I heard, with the 4th pick Toronto selects fwd Scottie Barnes, I ran out of my friends house screaming ****...

5minutes later I was like, it's okay, it's the right pick. We're playing big from here on out...

My initial reservations were because I thought his offensive game was soon far behind the other the other 4 cats and we desperately needed offense.

Fast forward he's one the best most efficient scorers of his class. Truly a sniper job from mgnt


It was Scottie all along. Masai was enamoured at his combine workout, that should have gave it away


While personally I wouldn't go that far because I do 100% believe that we were at least INITIALLY after Evan Mobley but I think once Scottie came walking through the door, he probably felt like it doesn't even matter and had the biggest smile on his face knowing either way he's good...


I loved Mobley from the start and was hoping he'd fall but i really think they had Scottie rated higher. Thorpe/Ford even said Scottie would have went #1 if he had even an average jumper.
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Post#718 » by vulture » Sun May 29, 2022 9:55 pm

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Post#719 » by DreamTeam09 » Sun May 29, 2022 10:12 pm

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lol lol it's a wrap if he has that next year.

This is like Vince when he came back a shooter after everyone kept saying all he could do is dunk
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Post#720 » by Madhouse » Sun May 29, 2022 10:29 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
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lol lol it's a wrap if he has that next year.

This is like Vince when he came back a shooter after everyone kept saying all he could do is dunk


Could elevate Scottie from the number 5 to the number 4 option.

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