Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[KL78192020]

He will go where he wants to go. The list of teams may grow but he won’t be exiled.

A 3-4 team trade might be necessary to sweeten that pot. Herro needs to be rerouted somewhere his talents are needed.

The end probably starts at your idea and goes up a bit, but nothing outrageous.

You're being logical about the situation (and I do feel for you, it sucks....that could easily be the Raptors in the same situation).

However all this talk of sending him to Charlotte or Detroit, or letting him sit without pay is just nonsense. We can argue that it should happen, but any of us who follow the NBA closely know it won't. He's a Top 75 player and box-office draw. He is one of a handful of players that people actually pay money to see. There is not a chance in hell the season starts with a star player like that not playing, or sulking on some backwater team.

At some point some team will need to make an example of someone, but it won't be Dame. The sacrificial lamb will have to be a lesser star who tries this next (Jaylen Brown?).

Agreed.

Lillard will end up either in MIA or another team on his list and POR will receive some assets in return. MiAs own assets are pretty scroty, POR does not want Herro, so at least a third team will be needed.

Looking forward to the next iteration of the Blazers.

The other team he had mentioned was the Nets. A trade of Simmons plus picks/prospects could work. They have all the Suns picks and some of their own, as well the guys they drafted this year.

[OakleyDokely]

To Portland: Towns
To Miami: Lillard
To Minnesota: Herro, Robinson, Martin, (2) MIA 1sts, (2) MIA swap

No ones touching that Towns contract especially POR. They want young players

It seems like POR still wants to be semi competitive given the Grant deal. I'd rather have Towns than Herro, filler and a bunch of late 1sts.

Towns
Grant
Sharpe
Simons
Scoot

They wouldn't guard anyone, but at least it would be fun.

[WuTang_CMB]

To Portland: Towns
To Miami: Lillard
To Minnesota: Herro, Robinson, Martin, (2) MIA 1sts, (2) MIA swap

No ones touching that Towns contract especially POR. They want young players

It seems like POR still wants to be semi competitive given the Grant deal. I'd rather have Towns than Herro, filler and a bunch of late 1sts.

Towns
Grant
Sharpe
Simons
Scoot

They wouldn't guard anyone, but at least it would be fun.

That Grant deal was just keeping the asset. Adding Towns to that would be an abomination to their timeline and cap. They want a blue chip prospect to add to Scoot/Sharp but that doesn't seem to be out there. They would jump on getting Barnes or Edwards but those arent happening. The next best thing is picks and younger players with upside.

[StopitLeo]

If they weren’t in the same division the Raptors and Celtics should just swap Siakam and Brown.

This would be a good trade for both sides even if same division but I think Brown for some reason has more cache than Pascal around league. Maybe it's him being younger or because he fits more of the mold of a "2 way wing". although this year playoffs might have lowered that.

Jaylen could be in a near 1:1 trade for Dame/KD. Bos wanted KD for Jaylen/White a 1st and 2nd. Nets wanted Smart also, only reason he is not a Celtic. I am pretty sure Jaylen and 2 first would get Dame since they need White now.

Is a 3 team crazy?

BOS get: Lillard
TOR gets: Brown
POR gets: OG, Boucher, White, picks/swaps

The benefits for Boston and Toronto are obvious (I know Brown is UFA but OG will be as well).

Portland gets two recent All-Defensive team selections and I think White and OG are better than anything Miami can offer player wise. Boucher is a solid role player on a very tradable contract. Between the Raptors and Celtics I’m sure they can offer sufficient draft capital as well; probably not much needed based on recent trades.

[JRoy]

To Portland: Towns
To Miami: Lillard
To Minnesota: Herro, Robinson, Martin, (2) MIA 1sts, (2) MIA swap

No ones touching that Towns contract especially POR. They want young players

It seems like POR still wants to be semi competitive given the Grant deal. I'd rather have Towns than Herro, filler and a bunch of late 1sts.

Towns
Grant
Sharpe
Simons
Scoot

They wouldn't guard anyone, but at least it would be fun.

Pass.

POR needs to work toward contention at some point in the future. KAT won’t be a part of that.

[Scizzup]

If they weren’t in the same division the Raptors and Celtics should just swap Siakam and Brown.

This would be a good trade for both sides even if same division but I think Brown for some reason has more cache than Pascal around league. Maybe it's him being younger or because he fits more of the mold of a "2 way wing". although this year playoffs might have lowered that.

Jaylen could be in a near 1:1 trade for Dame/KD. Bos wanted KD for Jaylen/White a 1st and 2nd. Nets wanted Smart also, only reason he is not a Celtic. I am pretty sure Jaylen and 2 first would get Dame since they need White now.

Is a 3 team crazy?

BOS get: Lillard
TOR gets: Brown
POR gets: OG, Boucher, White, picks/swaps

The benefits for Boston and Toronto are obvious (I know Brown is UFA but OG will be as well).

Portland gets two recent All-Defensive team selections and I think White and OG are better than anything Miami can offer player wise. Boucher is a solid role player on a very tradable contract. Between the Raptors and Celtics I’m sure they can offer sufficient draft capital as well; probably not much needed based on recent trades.

Yes, because Celtics can make that trade with PDX themselves. I would also think PDX would prefer Jaylen return he is not even 2 years older than OG and he can play SF.

Edit: for it to work, Bos has to keep white and Raps have to send out the picks to POR (ideally 2-3 1sts and OG/Boucher).

[Raptors Realtor]

No ones touching that Towns contract especially POR. They want young players

It seems like POR still wants to be semi competitive given the Grant deal. I'd rather have Towns than Herro, filler and a bunch of late 1sts.

Towns
Grant
Sharpe
Simons
Scoot

They wouldn't guard anyone, but at least it would be fun.

Pass.

POR needs to work toward contention at some point in the future. KAT won’t be a part of that.

JRoy one thing I've observed from you, is that you're remarkable at swatting away all trades, but unremarkable about suggesting any trades whatsoever... So let's hear it, specifically what are some reasonable & realistic deals for Dame taking into account the appeal for both/all teams involved, and please exclude the Raptors from your offers.

[mrdressup]

We look like the logical team that Portland is going to have to get involved. If we really wanted Lillard I think we could get him, but I don't think we want him that bad. There are all sorts of problems these days with acquiring big names who just as quickly demand to be moved to Miami...You just have to pass on that crap. Contract or not, they'll just force their way out. What Porland wants is what we should want--young guys and picks. A one shot deal with Lillard is a horrible play. We' re not one top 15 player away from anything.

[OakleyDokely]

To Portland: D Garland
To Miami: D Lillard
To Cleveland: S Sharpe, T Herro, D Robinson, (2) MIA 1sts, (2) MIA Swaps

[will]

To Portland: D Garland
To Miami: D Lillard
To Cleveland: S Sharpe, T Herro, D Robinson, (2) MIA 1sts, (2) MIA Swaps

What say you, JRoy?

[Zeno]

To Portland: D Garland
To Miami: D Lillard
To Cleveland: S Sharpe, T Herro, D Robinson, (2) MIA 1sts, (2) MIA Swaps

Only Miami would do this. This isn't a good trade for Cleveland and makes no sense with Mitchell. And now Portland has Scoot, Simons and Garland and have given up a prospect with decent size. Weird proposal

[Tor_Raps]

To Portland: D Garland
To Miami: D Lillard
To Cleveland: S Sharpe, T Herro, D Robinson, (2) MIA 1sts, (2) MIA Swaps

What say you, JRoy?

Get this non raptor proposal outta here lol.

Seriously though, Cavs aren't pairing Mitchell with a poor man's version of himself in Herro lol. Might as well start the clock on him going to the Knicks if they make any rebuildingish moves.

[OakleyDokely]

To Portland: D Garland
To Miami: D Lillard
To Cleveland: S Sharpe, T Herro, D Robinson, (2) MIA 1sts, (2) MIA Swaps

Only Miami would do this. This isn't a good trade for Cleveland and makes no sense with Mitchell. And now Portland has Scoot, Simons and Garland and have given up a prospect with decent size. Weird proposal

I think Garland is good fit with Scoot because he has some size and he can play off ball.

I don't think CLE does this though. If they trade Garland it will be for a proven (near) all-star type.

[NotMyKawhi]

To Portland: D Garland
To Miami: D Lillard
To Cleveland: S Sharpe, T Herro, D Robinson, (2) MIA 1sts, (2) MIA Swaps

What say you, JRoy?

They don't need a guard, they have Scoot, Simons and Sharpe.

Sharpe is never getting traded. It's a horrible trade for the Blazers. I wouldn't even take Garland for Dame w/o adding Sharpe

[OakleyDokely]

Sharpe is incredibly overrated over here. The chances he even reaches Garland's level is small.

[StopitLeo]

Is a 3 team crazy?

BOS get: Lillard
TOR gets: Brown
POR gets: OG, Boucher, White, picks/swaps

The benefits for Boston and Toronto are obvious (I know Brown is UFA but OG will be as well).

Portland gets two recent All-Defensive team selections and I think White and OG are better than anything Miami can offer player wise. Boucher is a solid role player on a very tradable contract. Between the Raptors and Celtics I’m sure they can offer sufficient draft capital as well; probably not much needed based on recent trades.

Yes, because Celtics can make that trade with PDX themselves. I would also think PDX would prefer Jaylen return he is not even 2 years older than OG and he can play SF.

Edit: for it to work, Bos has to keep white and Raps have to send out the picks to POR (ideally 2-3 1sts and OG/Boucher).

I was thinking that Portland would find the defense of OG and White appealing as a compliment to their young scoring guards. They seem more beneficial to a rebuilding team than Brown.

[NotMyKawhi]

To Portland: D Garland
To Miami: D Lillard
To Cleveland: S Sharpe, T Herro, D Robinson, (2) MIA 1sts, (2) MIA Swaps

Only Miami would do this. This isn't a good trade for Cleveland and makes no sense with Mitchell. And now Portland has Scoot, Simons and Garland and have given up a prospect with decent size. Weird proposal

I think Garland is good fit with Scoot because he has some size and he can play off ball.

I don't think CLE does this though. If they trade Garland it will be for a proven (near) all-star type.

The Blazers don't do it. Why would you trade your 2 best assets for a PG when you just drafted a PG? Garland isn't that big

[OakleyDokely]

Only Miami would do this. This isn't a good trade for Cleveland and makes no sense with Mitchell. And now Portland has Scoot, Simons and Garland and have given up a prospect with decent size. Weird proposal

I think Garland is good fit with Scoot because he has some size and he can play off ball.

I don't think CLE does this though. If they trade Garland it will be for a proven (near) all-star type.

The Blazers don't do it. Why would you trade your 2 best assets for a PG when you just drafted a PG? Garland isn't that big

Scoot really isn't a PG in the traditional sense. Pairing him with a playmaker who can hit shots makes sense to me.

[OakleyDokely]

For the record, Garland in his 23 year old season just put up 22/8 on shooting splits of 46/41/86 with a 59TS%

[JRoy]

It seems like POR still wants to be semi competitive given the Grant deal. I'd rather have Towns than Herro, filler and a bunch of late 1sts.

Towns
Grant
Sharpe
Simons
Scoot

They wouldn't guard anyone, but at least it would be fun.

Pass.

POR needs to work toward contention at some point in the future. KAT won’t be a part of that.

JRoy one thing I've observed from you, is that you're remarkable at swatting away all trades, but unremarkable about suggesting any trades whatsoever... So let's hear it, specifically what are some reasonable & realistic deals for Dame taking into account the appeal for both/all teams involved, and please exclude the Raptors from your offers.

I swat away bad trades and it’s a full time job.

My demands for Lillard are not unrealistic and excluding TOR is a good idea because I don’t think it’s the right direction for TOR.

For example I don’t turn my nose up at Ben Simmons like most others do; he’s a substantial risk but a huge payoff if he buys in to his role on a young team. He might thrive in that role and allow Scoot to learn and grow in the meantime.

I’d want a load of picks, not just for Lillard but for assuming the risk that comes with taking his contract. BKN can keep their Dinwiddies and Joe Harrises.

I’d take Clowney and make them eat Nurk. Done.