With the 45th pick, the Raptors select Jamal Shead

[Dexjackson]

He blocked Dejounte today on a 1on1 drive, that's not easy to do.

I have been waiting all season for him to pull one of these off. He blocked a 6'10" guy when he was in College.

Didn't he block 6'11" Jabari Smith recently too off a corner 3? At least I think it was Smith. I remember it being a 6'10-6'11 guy.

[aminiaturebuddha]

He blocked Dejounte today on a 1on1 drive, that's not easy to do.

I have been waiting all season for him to pull one of these off. He blocked a 6'10" guy when he was in College.

Can anyone find a clip of it? I've been looking around and can't find one, but that might have been my favourite play from last night.

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He blocked Dejounte today on a 1on1 drive, that's not easy to do.

I have been waiting all season for him to pull one of these off. He blocked a 6'10" guy when he was in College.

Can anyone find a clip of it? I've been looking around and can't find one, but that might have been my favourite play from last night.

It looks like he misses his 3's when his hand drifts to the right on his follow through but hit his only 3 when the snap was straight down. Might be just the camera angles.

The block is at 3:10

Watch on YouTube

Oh came across this clip vs Garland and then the other guy in the whole possession is All-NBA defense.

Watch on YouTube

[MEDIC]

He blocked Dejounte today on a 1on1 drive, that's not easy to do.

I have been waiting all season for him to pull one of these off. He blocked a 6'10" guy when he was in College.

Can anyone find a clip of it? I've been looking around and can't find one, but that might have been my favourite play from last night.

It's at the 35 second mark. They show it once at speed & another time at a better angle in slo-mo.

The whole video is freaking amazing though.

Watch on YouTube

[aminiaturebuddha]

I have been waiting all season for him to pull one of these off. He blocked a 6'10" guy when he was in College.

Can anyone find a clip of it? I've been looking around and can't find one, but that might have been my favourite play from last night.

It's at the 35 second mark. They show it once at speed & another time at a better angle in slo-mo.

The whole video is freaking amazing though.

Watch on YouTube

I meant the one from last night, but thanks because that's a great highlight package of him in college!

[Psubs]

yep. A 57tg pick being good enough to even get a 2nd deal is an absolute win

Shead was #45, still I get it.

Shead's floor is above Davion Mitchell already. I think also Marcus Sasser. When they were both on the floor together, Sass despite currently having a higher shooting % didn't seem like he was doing much of anything to influence the game, whereas you can see Shead's hustle on defense and quickness flying around on offense.

Sheads floor is absolutely not above Davion Mitchell.

Sheads floor is his 3pt% right now is a small sample mirage, and he never improves on it, and he is out of the league in 24 months.

Suggesting his floor is a backup PG on a playoff team is heavily overrating what we should expect.

Well isn't his floor above Davion Mitchell now? ... and yes I will say it again that his ceiling is above FVV.

In a 6pt loss he was a +10 and lead the comeback attempt with 9 assists (2 tos). He's a pure PG.

Jakobe also got experience covering Brunson, who is a a bad bad man. Shead, Jakobe and Agbaji is all the POA defenders you need that can also shoot the 3 well.

If you can get something for Davion and not have to pay him his next contract, you do it. Send Davion to Dallas for Dwight Powell and 2nd pick.

[LoveMyRaps]

Shead may have convinced Masai to stack up on more second round picks tomorrow.

[raptorforlife88]

Well isn't his floor above Davion Mitchell now? ... and yes I will say it again that his ceiling is above FVV

In a 6pt loss he was a +10 and lead the comeback attempt with 9 assists (2 tos). He's a pure PG.

Jakobe also got experience covering Brunson, who is a a bad bad man. Shead, Jakobe and Agbaji is all the POA defenders you need that can also shoot the 3 well.

If you can get something for Davion and not have to pay him his next contract, you do it. Send Davion to Dallas for Dwight Powell and 2nd pick.

FVV by advanced stats has had seasons where he is a top 30ish player in the league and has made an all star game. It is saying a lot to say his ceiling is above that.

Are you expecting him to make more than one all star game?

I say this someone who is pretty impressed and high on Shead. You gave a Reggie Miller comp for Gradey as well, so I feel like you're comps are too generous broadly. Probably from taking their performance in their best games and treating it as what could be their regular ceiling.

[raptorforlife88]

At any rate Shead is such a grinder and a guy who is going to will himself into being a really good player.

I can buy an unlikely but possible ceiling being FVV level. Like FVV he is someone I expect will make some huge improvements their first couple of seasons.

[YogurtProducer]

Shead was #45, still I get it.

Shead's floor is above Davion Mitchell already. I think also Marcus Sasser. When they were both on the floor together, Sass despite currently having a higher shooting % didn't seem like he was doing much of anything to influence the game, whereas you can see Shead's hustle on defense and quickness flying around on offense.

Sheads floor is absolutely not above Davion Mitchell.

Sheads floor is his 3pt% right now is a small sample mirage, and he never improves on it, and he is out of the league in 24 months.

Suggesting his floor is a backup PG on a playoff team is heavily overrating what we should expect.

Well isn't his floor above Davion Mitchell now? ... and yes I will say it again that his ceiling is above FVV.

In a 6pt loss he was a +10 and lead the comeback attempt with 9 assists (2 tos). He's a pure PG.

Jakobe also got experience covering Brunson, who is a a bad bad man. Shead, Jakobe and Agbaji is all the POA defenders you need that can also shoot the 3 well.

If you can get something for Davion and not have to pay him his next contract, you do it. Send Davion to Dallas for Dwight Powell and 2nd pick.

No, his floor is still not above Davion Mitchell Sheads floor is still out-of-the-league in 24 months. End of the day he is still a small PG who has a 51TS% and hasn't shown the defensive ability we expected (but more offensively at times than expected as well, granted).

Davion has also been playing damn good for 2 months now. Shead played great tonight. But one game doesn't make your ceiling or floor any higher come on man

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Well isn't his floor above Davion Mitchell now? ... and yes I will say it again that his ceiling is above FVV

In a 6pt loss he was a +10 and lead the comeback attempt with 9 assists (2 tos). He's a pure PG.

Jakobe also got experience covering Brunson, who is a a bad bad man. Shead, Jakobe and Agbaji is all the POA defenders you need that can also shoot the 3 well.

If you can get something for Davion and not have to pay him his next contract, you do it. Send Davion to Dallas for Dwight Powell and 2nd pick.

FVV by advanced stats has had seasons where he is a top 30ish player in the league and has made an all star game. It is saying a lot to say his ceiling is above that.

Are you expecting him to make more than one all star game?

I say this someone who is pretty impressed and high on Shead. You gave a Reggie Miller comp for Gradey as well, so I feel like you're comps are too generous broadly. Probably from taking their performance in their best games and treating it as what could be their regular ceiling.

When talking ceilings, we are talking about best case scenarios. When Brunson was a Mav and a borderline starter, what was his ceiling? He's exceeded it, thus it's not too crazy to exceed one's ceiling.

I'm not expecting him to reach his ceiling but if I had a choice of player say in their 2nd year, I'd probably choose Shead because he can get all the way to the rim and isn't all about "Bet On Yourself". He was instrumental in the championship run and so clutch in the Finals but I'm glad that we aren't overpaying him now. Just should've traded him for something earlier.

Gradey's likely comp isn't Reggie Miller, but his ceiling could be a more physical finishing Reggie. Is he likely to be as good or as clutch as Reggie likely not but maybe.

My comp for Scottie was Chris Webber, but he's already a better creator. I guess his ceiling is mini Jokic. Likely not reached but maybe 1st team all-defense and a top 20 player, in the near future when Lebron, KD and Steph retire.

[YogurtProducer]

At any rate Shead is such a grinder and a guy who is going to will himself into being a really good player.

I can buy an unlikely but possible ceiling being FVV level. Like FVV he is someone I expect will make some huge improvements their first couple of seasons.

Crazy to think Shead can be FVV.

21 players drafted in the 2nd round since 1989 have been all-stars. Over 1,000 2nd rounders, and 21 all-stars. A 2% chance. Now, I would bet those numbers are even heavier swayed towards the first half of the first. If you see how many mid-late 2nds made all-star games it is even lower.

Shead has an absolute crazy hill to climb. Guys who were inefficient scorers in college are likely not gonna be efficient NBA scorers. A guy like Brunson was a 2nd round hit, but even he was a 19ppg who shot 41% from 3 in college. Shead averaged 13ppg on 41% FROM THE FIELD.

[YogurtProducer]

Well isn't his floor above Davion Mitchell now? ... and yes I will say it again that his ceiling is above FVV

In a 6pt loss he was a +10 and lead the comeback attempt with 9 assists (2 tos). He's a pure PG.

Jakobe also got experience covering Brunson, who is a a bad bad man. Shead, Jakobe and Agbaji is all the POA defenders you need that can also shoot the 3 well.

If you can get something for Davion and not have to pay him his next contract, you do it. Send Davion to Dallas for Dwight Powell and 2nd pick.

FVV by advanced stats has had seasons where he is a top 30ish player in the league and has made an all star game. It is saying a lot to say his ceiling is above that.

Are you expecting him to make more than one all star game?

I say this someone who is pretty impressed and high on Shead. You gave a Reggie Miller comp for Gradey as well, so I feel like you're comps are too generous broadly. Probably from taking their performance in their best games and treating it as what could be their regular ceiling.

When talking ceilings, we are talking about best case scenarios. When Brunson was a Mav and a borderline starter, what was his ceiling? He's exceeded it, thus it's not too crazy to exceed one's ceiling.

I'm not expecting him to reach his ceiling but if I had a choice of player say in their 2nd year, I'd probably choose Shead because he can get all the way to the rim and isn't all about "Bet On Yourself". He was instrumental in the championship run and so clutch in the Finals but I'm glad that we aren't overpaying him now. Just should've traded him for something earlier.

Yeah, no one was saying FVV was all about "bet on yourself" in year 1 either. And you'd figure Houstons success would maybe make people realize on here they were wrong about him anyways

[Tripod]

How about we all just agree that his improvement over the season has been great to see.

And he is better than Marquis Nowell.

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At any rate Shead is such a grinder and a guy who is going to will himself into being a really good player.

I can buy an unlikely but possible ceiling being FVV level. Like FVV he is someone I expect will make some huge improvements their first couple of seasons.

Crazy to think Shead can be FVV.

21 players drafted in the 2nd round since 1989 have been all-stars. Over 1,000 2nd rounders, and 21 all-stars. A 2% chance. Now, I would bet those numbers are even heavier swayed towards the first half of the first. If you see how many mid-late 2nds made all-star games it is even lower.

Shead has an absolute crazy hill to climb. Guys who were inefficient scorers in college are likely not gonna be efficient NBA scorers. A guy like Brunson was a 2nd round hit, but even he was a 19ppg who shot 41% from 3 in college. Shead averaged 13ppg on 41% FROM THE FIELD.

FVV was able to take up the void left by Kawhi and Lowry.

Shead likely won't ever average much over 15ppg because of the balanced attack. So likely won't even match FVV's all-star appearance but he could end up being better.

[DreamTeam09]

I'm sure if anyone was bullish on FVV early on, all the same skepticism would apply

[YogurtProducer]

At any rate Shead is such a grinder and a guy who is going to will himself into being a really good player.

I can buy an unlikely but possible ceiling being FVV level. Like FVV he is someone I expect will make some huge improvements their first couple of seasons.

Crazy to think Shead can be FVV.

21 players drafted in the 2nd round since 1989 have been all-stars. Over 1,000 2nd rounders, and 21 all-stars. A 2% chance. Now, I would bet those numbers are even heavier swayed towards the first half of the first. If you see how many mid-late 2nds made all-star games it is even lower.

Shead has an absolute crazy hill to climb. Guys who were inefficient scorers in college are likely not gonna be efficient NBA scorers. A guy like Brunson was a 2nd round hit, but even he was a 19ppg who shot 41% from 3 in college. Shead averaged 13ppg on 41% FROM THE FIELD.

FVV was able to take up the void left by Kawhi and Lowry.

Shead likely won't ever average much over 15ppg because of the balanced attack. So likely won't even match FVV's all-star appearance but he could end up being better.

And Chomche could be Giannis.

[Quattro]

I feel like all these guys who say Shead is going to be better than Van Vleet stopped watching the 2019 finals after the Philly series.....

[Psubs]

Crazy to think Shead can be FVV.

21 players drafted in the 2nd round since 1989 have been all-stars. Over 1,000 2nd rounders, and 21 all-stars. A 2% chance. Now, I would bet those numbers are even heavier swayed towards the first half of the first. If you see how many mid-late 2nds made all-star games it is even lower.

Shead has an absolute crazy hill to climb. Guys who were inefficient scorers in college are likely not gonna be efficient NBA scorers. A guy like Brunson was a 2nd round hit, but even he was a 19ppg who shot 41% from 3 in college. Shead averaged 13ppg on 41% FROM THE FIELD.

FVV was able to take up the void left by Kawhi and Lowry.

Shead likely won't ever average much over 15ppg because of the balanced attack. So likely won't even match FVV's all-star appearance but he could end up being better.

And Chomche could be Giannis.

Isn't that what ceilings are? What was Giannis' ceiling as a rookie? Shawn Kemp? Then he grew to 6'11 by his 2nd season and it went up a little.

[YogurtProducer]

FVV was able to take up the void left by Kawhi and Lowry.

Shead likely won't ever average much over 15ppg because of the balanced attack. So likely won't even match FVV's all-star appearance but he could end up being better.

And Chomche could be Giannis.

Isn't that what ceilings are? What was Giannis' ceiling as a rookie? Shawn Kemp? Then he grew to 6'11 by his 2nd season and it went up a little.

Sure, but what even is the point then? I guess Sheads ceiling is Chris Paul if he learns to pass and shoot?

Generally when people are talking ceilings we try to stay realistic. Obviously we have no clue, and any player in theory could grow to be as good as any other player in the NBA.